Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 60

Funny, I sampled a few songs from this disc the other night 'cause it had been a while since I listened to the complete concert. I selected my favorite song, "Vultures," and was really pleased by how punchy the drums were and how musical the bass. My wife came in a few minutes later with my two oldest children (ages 4 and 2) and told me they told her they were scared to come into the room. (She wasn't upset; I chuckled.) I told the kids they were just playing music on TV and pointed out what the musicians were playing. Before the song ended my 4-year-old had come into the room with his bag of toy musical instruments, dumped them on the floor, and was proceeding to accompany them in his own little way.

I hope to start EQ-ing soon. I snagged a BFD DSP-1124P off of eBay for $65 shipped (it's in awesome condition) and my Behringer UCA202 USB sound card arrived in the mail the other day. Just waiting for some cables from Parts Express and some free time to do it . . .

While you're at it, get a MidiSport Uno from m-audio. This is a USB-to-Midi interface cable which will allow REW to send the filter settings to the BFD in a fraction of the time it would take you to key them in by hand. They are available used, too. You'll be doing a number of tests and tweaks; you'll definitely appreciate the the MidiSport.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Uno.html

Would something like this work?

http://www.buy.com/prod/creative-e-m...203474264.html

I purchased it a year and a half ago for my wife to connect her laptop to her Yamaha Clavinova digital piano in connection with the Finale Songwriter program.

I've been sold on the idea of uploading the filters through a cable for a few days, but I don't want to buy another cable if this one can do the job.

Well i finally got my Compact and set it up last night. First thing i did was watch "The Dark Knight "

I wasnt expecting to actually feel the percussion......Wow

This was the best $319 i ever spent

Outlaw has another happy customer

Looks like it would. Give it a try!

Hi Stephen,

Yes, this title has the bass running quite "hot" and I wonder how it sounded during the live show...was the bass this "hot"

Larry

I would guess you have the Auto Power Switch set to "ON" or always "on". If you set it to "AUTO" or auto signal sensing , it will change color from green to red after 20 minutes or so.

You can use the "Master Power Switch" to eliminate any power draw.

....BTW, great movie to christen the new sub.

Thanks for the input Larry. Not sure how into concert Blu-ray discs you are but I'm curious if you have the Chris Botti Jazz concert. That's another concert that has the bass recorded quite hot IMO - more so than John Mayer. For some reason, songs during which the bassist uses an upright double bass seem to be the worst offenders on this disc. I often knock down my subwoofer trim 3dB for this disc, as I've found it sounds bloated when calibrated flat.

Mine was always on too. I realized I had the toggle set to ON, instead of AUTO. I thought the switch was only 2 way: OFF or ON. If only I had read the manual or the words on the back panel...

OK, let me get this straight: there's a switch on the back of the sub called AUTO. It has two positions, OFF and ON. I thought that by switching AUTO to ON, I was turning "on" the "auto" mode. I've done this with my previous subwoofer and not had any problem with it going into standby mode 20 minutes after its final thump. Here, with AUTO in ON, the light has not once been anything other than green in the nearly two weeks I've owned it.

Are you guys saying that AUTO needs to be OFF for it to be "on"? If so, that's pretty . . . erm . . . stupid.

I love just about any well made concert BR disc.

I have the Chris Botti Live with orchestra & special guest BR and it's one of my favorite titles. I'm always looking for a reason to pull this title out...what songs should I listen to?

Well Bryan, I have always looked at it as a three way switch: ON, AUTO, OFF. There are three "click" positions. When the switch is set to ON, AFAIK the sub is always on with a green light displayed 24/7. Move the switch to the middle position or AUTO and the green light will turn to red after 20 minutes or so without a signal.

That leaves us with OFF or a constant red light....I really don't know what that will do when presented with a signal.

Ah, so it is a THREE-way switch. The way AUTO was written made it look like a switch label, not a switch option. I just went to switch it to AUTO and the red light promptly came on. Thanks guys. Still, neither the manual nor the labeling on the back of the sub is clear on this point.

Yes it does...the manual needs some work.

Those of us who own the "Room for Squares" and "Heavier Things" SACDs are used to the "hot" mixes. For some reason, to my ears the concert Blu-ray didn't seem quite as egregious in that regard compared to the other two recordings.

Nothing. The sub is basically off and will not reproduce a sound.

Hi weverb, the OFF setting is a FUBAR setting IMHO. If you want the sub OFF, use the main power switch and save 12 watts. It really should be a two position switch: always ON or AUTO sensing...or change the nomenclature to "STANDBY".

Not true Larry. When someone has more than one sub (like I did), it was easy to just flip the toggle to "off" and test. When finished, just flip the toggle back to "auto". I am sure many will say that you can do the same with the main power switch. True. But if you own a HSU MBM, show me where the main power switch is located. You either use the "off" position or completely unplug it. Besides, for me when I was trying to reach over a desk, it was easier to get to the toggle than the main power switch. It is nice to have both.

Fair enough.

The Outlaws really need to fix their manual to represent the three switch positions as well as several more mistakes scattered throughout. I agree with Bryan who posted earlier, when I first looked at the switch, I thought it was a switch for Auto Sensing: On or Off...

I don't remember off the top of my head. The bassist plays an electric bass for some songs and a double bass for others. To me, the songs with the double bass seem to have somewhat pronounced bass. I'll pop it in really quick and see if I can come up with more details for you.

For all of you who are confused and have Compacts just look at the picture on page 4 in the owners manual. That looks pretty self explanatory to me!

Agreed. The picture in the Compact manual and diagram on the back of that sub are much easier to understand. I would have had no problems getting the gist of that.

I was playing around with this scene tonight with my two new dual EX's, and I wanted to see exactly how much bass Audyssey's Dynamic EQ was adding to the sound.

Without Dynamic EQ turned on at -15DB from reference the room was pulsing at 88-92 dB, when I turned it on it went up to 92-96. Just a note for those wondering how much DEQ was boosting the bass.

Oh, and no port noise from the EX's at -15db for that scene, even though the picture window was a shaking

Sounds good, I love bass with Audyssey. I'm still waiting for my EX but was playing around with my RS dB meter. With the reference sounds for individual speakers Audyssey set my speakers 80-81 db and the Sony sub 84-86 dB. So it looks like Audyssey likes the bass 4-5 dB's higher than the rest of the speakers. All measurements were taken at the primary seating position.

Have you tried to see how loud you can go without port noise on the EX's?

Just did.

These are both near field on either side of my couch. At 10 dB's (mid 90's SPL) there is port noise faintly audible, but there if you're listening for it.

At 12 dB's you have to put your ear down by the base of the sub to hear any port noise.

Hi Stephen, I had a little free time tonight...Chris Botti Live (BR) and the first four songs have the double bass. "What are you doing the rest of your life" with Sting had the most pronounced bass of the first four songs and I can hear what you are talking about.

Larry

That is their version of a house curve. Not every room needs 4-5dB, but some may need more.

Yeah, it's not bad, but it sounds a tad bloated to me. It's funny, for a guy who has a massive 15" ported sub in his <1000 cubic foot room, I sure don't run my bass hot. Most people I watch movies with would actually prefer the bass a good deal hotter than I like it.

BTW, that Chris Botti concert has an incredible soundtrack IMO. Uncompressed PCM @ 13+ Mbps! Doesn't get much better than that. I really enjoy the drum solo at the end. It sounds as though the drummer is sitting right in front of me - simply amazing!

Any other material you'd suggest giving a listen to (Blu-ray concert or otherwise)? This dialog has been fun for me and I'd be up for some other comparisons. Thanks for the reply, Larry.

Stephen

There is always the Eagle's Hell Freezes Over!

Have either one of you tried Dave Mathews' "Stand Up" dvd enhanced stereo version? Listened to it today. Some nice drum action.

Also, Larry , what was that Blue Man Group dvd you recommended previously?