Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 14

Hello irvin,

Welcome to the Outlaws! Please let all of us know what you think!

Larry

Hi Twisted Dave,

BTW, great name!

Here are my settings for (2) LFM-1+:

Max Output Mode.
Phase is set to "0" on rear sub & "180" on front sub.
Crossover is turned off at the subs & set for 80Hz on my AVR.
AVR's LPF is set to 120Hz.
AVR's trim level is -5dB.
Volume is set to "3" on both subs.
Each sub individually produces 78dB on RS Meter. (AVR's Test Tone)
Together they produce about 82dB on RS Meter. (AVR's Test Tone)

Larry

Won't have to wait as long as I thought, FedEx now says this Saturday.

Camera's broke but I'll post my impressions.

Thanks Larry! Good stuff. Pretty similar to mine for the most part. So I might be on the right track for now. I don't think I'll ever get it right, but it's fun trying lol

Have both of my Pluses set on volume 4 with level on my receiver a bit over half. I always run mine in MO mode meaning no ports plugged. My X-over is set to 80 Hz. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Phil

That will be fine. Looking forward to it.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

See, I am going to hear you in Cincinnati.

LOL Phil, your two are set louder than my two in a wee bit larger room than your very cool, personal HT set-up.

I hope you are doing well, my friend,

Larry

Hi Larry I am doing well thank you for asking. Guess my volume is up a bit louder than yours, but you also have your X-over setting at 125 Hz whereas mine is at 80 Hz. If, my X-over point was higher, then chances are I would have to turn them down some. Remember, bass is non-directional BUT the higher the X-over point the more localized it becomes and thus becomes more directional. However, every room is different and as such yours may benefit from a higher X-over point. Hope you have had a good day my friend. Have a great weekend as well.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

I have my x-over set at 80Hz on my AVR and have my LPF set for 120Hz. The LPF just applies to the LFE channel, right?

I have experimented with the x-over lower towards my speaker's -3 dB point but I have never set it higher than 80Hz. I am still trying to dial in the two subs!

Take care and have a great weekend, too!

Larry

Well, I own the Yammie 663 receiver which has dual LFE outputs. All of my speakers are set to "small" and my X-over is set to 80 Hz. The X-over position on my Pluses are turned all the way up. The switch on the back is set to by-pass/off. That means my 663 is doing the filtering. As such, all speakers set to small will only play 80 Hz and up whereas the LFE will play 80 Hz and down. Hence, I run the Pluses in MAX output mode meaning no ports plugged. I am easily getting extension to the mid 20's. I will NEVER play my Pluses in Max Extension mode. The reason being, I prefer the extra output in the midbass realm where most of the musical action is at. Furthermore, the extension of 25 Hz or so is plenty low enough for me when watching a movie.

It is also my understanding that all speakers set to SMALL will be filtered at whatever X-over point you select. As expected, all speakers set to LARGE will not be filtered but will receive a full-range signal instead. It also depends on how you have your system set-up. My X-over point of 80 Hz seems to blend my set-up quite well. Hope this helps Larry. Have a great weekend my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi all, first post and just wanted to say I ordered a Plus after reading this thread. I don't have my HT room set up yet but, the sub showed up today and I couldn't help but hook it up and play with it a little. I was impressed at how well it did with some of the stuff I threw at it. I can't wait to get everything set up and get some real movie time with this thing. I'm certain that I won't be disappointed in the performance of this sub. I'll post back in a week or two once I have time to set everything up and get it all dialed in.

Thanks for all the great info!

Case

Hey guys. I am trying to decide between the Plus and the EX. My Graet room is 5600 cubic feet with 10' ceilings and is 1/2 open to the kitchen and down the foyer with two openings in the foyer wall. My house is all 18 " ceramic tile directly on top of the concrete slab. Our sitting has a sectional that as you look at it goes into the left corner and down 5'. Our sitting are is on top of a 12'x12' carpeted area.
Which of these two subs do you think will work better for 50/50 ht/music. I am running a Nad T755 receiver which has 2 sub outs and audyssey eq set up. I know 2 of eather one would be great but the WIF won't go for that.
Aslo will it do best if mounted in the corner or can I set it up right next to the couch and @ 1' fro the wall?
Your experiences and input are appreciated.

Hello Case,

Welcome to the Outlaws & the AVS Forum!

Please post your comments and settings after dialing the LFM-1+ in.

Larry

Hello ON IN II,

BTW, when I saw your name, I think of Golf and hittin' a par 5 in two shots.

You have answered your own question with your instinct to have two subs. With your room size, you really, really need two subs. Buy the first sub and set it up to perform ok, not great, just ok. Now tell your Wife that the guys at the AVS Forum said this would happen and without a second sub, the sound will be just ok.

If you can do this within the first 30 days, the Outlaws will give you the second sub at the package price for 2 subs. Again, another reason to give the Wife.

If $ is no problem, buy the EX. But if you can swing (2) LFM-1+, then that is better than 1 EX. You can place this sub where ever you like due to the downward firing ports & driver.

Hang in, there will be other owners by with their thoughts.

Larry

5600 cubic feet might be too much for the EX. You may want to look at something with more power like the MFW-15 or HSU VTF-3.3 HO. Another option would be to get the EX and add a MBM-12, but you mentioned 2 subs would be a problem. I too am running a NAD receiver (T754) and currently looking to add more power to fill my 2,300 cubic foot room. Check page 7 to see pix of my set-up. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

Larry,
There's nothing better than getting home in 2. I am a golfaholic and would play more than twicwe a week if I wouldn't end up in divorce court. The wife is much more ok with this new hobby than the golf addiction.

As for the subs I do have an old Bose Acoustimas 3 sub from an old Bose sytem I had that I am currently using. It does an OK job but sounds much better with music than HT. I can always leave that set up if needed until part 2 of the plan can come together.
She's says she really appreciates your 2 sub suggestion but one will have to do for now.
Atleast she didn't rule it out!!!
Is there any other differences between the plus and the EX other than the 2 hz in the low end?
I was thinking about the VTF 3.3 HO but am not sure how big of difference there would be. I ahve to go next week and p/u my PSB T55 and the Hsu factory is on my way so I guess I'll call and stop bye for a demo on my way.
I have also been looking at the MFW 15 but they have the same rated amp as the EX so I didn't think they would be very different, besides I don't want to wait till August unless I have to.
Any input on the ED A5-350 with the 550 watt amp? I know this is the Outlaw Audio thread but it is just a thought.

Thanks again guys.

Mark

Well my LFM-2 didn't arrive yesterday and now the "estimated delivery" field on the FedEx tracking page is totally missing. Guess I'm in FedEx limbo, just hope when it arrives it's not all beat up.

Hi Joe741,

Fedex has a "Home Delivery" service that will deliver on a Saturday. When I rec'd my subs, they were shipped regular ground with delivery Monday- Friday. My first sub arrived to the local Fedex on a Friday afternoon and was delivered on Monday. When you check tomorrow, it should read out for delivery.

This sub is very well packed and you should be fine! Let all of us know what you think!

Larry

Hi Mark,

I figured you were a golf nut.

The EX is a bigger & heavier box and is rated to produce a SPL of 118 dB vs. 115 dB for the Plus. I had a feeling I would eventually add a second sub and with my budget, (2) EXs was too much money. The LFM-1+ is a solid choice.

HSU was my initial choice and I would definitely stop in for a test drive. The WAF would have been a challenge with the HSU + turbo option for me. No matter what you choice is, it will be a huge step forward to the Bose module.

Please let us know what you decided on!

Hit 'em straight.

Larry

The wife bought me Close Encounters on BD last night for fathers day. The plus was incredible in the last scene when the spaceship is talking with the people. I've never seen or felt that movie like that before. Awesome!

ON IN II, I'm a golfaholic as well, and I know I've saved a whole lot of money when I switched to the a/v hobby. Plus, it keeps me in the house a lot more often, which the wife loves. I think in one year, I would spend 3 or 4 maybe 5 times more $$$ on golf than a/v. I think I actually enjoy this hobby just as much now as I do golf. Especially since my LFM purchase

Fed Ex "ground" is Monday-Friday ONLY. You should get it Today assuming you are there to sign for it. No worries. Hope this helps Joe. Have a great day.

Cheers,

Phil

I ship Fedex Ground every once in a while and they deliver on Saturday. At least in the southeast US, maybe not other places?

Ah, I see now that there is a difference between home and ground... still uses the same forms and labels, strange.

I only thought Sat. because that's what their website said, I'm here waiting and so far nothing. Not even an estimated delivery date.

UPDATE:

"Jun 16, 2008 3:28 PM Arrived at FedEx location HAGERSTOWN, MD"

Should be here tomorrow?

Hmmmm........this is what I was told by Customer Service. Oh well, stuff happens right? Guess it just depends on who you talk to when you do call Customer Service.

Cheers,

Phil

Joe, if I were you I would call them and see what is going on. I mean, you have have the shipping # right? Maybe even call Outlaw and speak with them regarding this. Scott or Jennifer are both quite helpful and very friendly. Good luck. Keep us posted.

Cheers,

Phil

Hey fellas. Any opinions on adding an lfm-2 to my system, to go with my lfm-1 Plus? I was thinking I could hide the little bugger behind the couch, or under an end table, just to give a little extra punch in the listening position. The Plus has plenty of bass for me as it is, but I'm always looking to buy more crap lol Would the lfm-2 in the back of the room, improve the experience with the Plus firing away up front? Or would it sound a little off because of the smaller size? I'd like to get a HSU MBM-12, but just don't have the room for another big box.

The LFM-2 arrived this morning and laugsbach wasn't kidding this thing is well packed with double boxes, lots of foam and a cloth bag. Wow. Anyway, I unpacked it screwed the feet on and set it on the dimpled disks. I played a few scenes from WOTW (you know the ones ) and it sounded ok but a bit weak. Using DVE and my SPL meter I wound up needing to increase the gain from 11 o'clock to 12 o'clock, I also set my AVR to +2dB for the sub and now my SPL meter reads the LFM-2 to be about 4 dB hot. I'm planning to watch Godzilla tonight as I remember that had quite a bit of LFE.

But from what I've heard so far the LFM-2 is much better than my old RCA boomer. Looks better too.

Hey Twisted Dave,

We all love to give opinions.

Why not? When it comes to subs, the more the merrier. It is a bit of a mission to intergrate both subs smoothly into your system. It does help if they are the exact same sub, but at least this is the same manufacterer.

Also, I would recommend adding the free software program Room EQ Wizard (REW) or something similar to help with placing both of the subs.
I am still working on sub placement with my two and the REW helped show me how moving my sub 5' eliminated a huge null at the LP.

Good Luck and let us all know what you decide to do!

Larry

Hi Joe741,

I made the mistake of playing Cloverfield without really setting it up properly and tweaking it in and I thought I completely rip the thing to shreds.

Also, my LFM-1+ seemed to need a 7-10 day break in period to really smooth it out. After a couple of weeks and a few more tweaks, see what WOTW sounds like then. Maybe try Master & Commander's opening battle sequence (even the DVD version rocks the house).

Larry

I did the same thing with my plus when I got it watching the malestrom scene in the new Pirates of the Carribean . I turned it down in a hurry.

Cloverfield takes on a whole new dimension with a decent sub.