Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 131

Originally Posted by crazyjutt

thanks
should i leave plug in the sub or take it out before running MCAAC ?
Also, i only see one plug shipped with sub. am i supposed to have two ?

Originally Posted by Nosferatu

read the manual it'll answer that for you.

Here's the best piece of advice for EVERYONE here who has questions. We will all be happy to answer questions but if you just READ THE MANUAL you'd be surprised how much Outlaw provides to begin with. It's not that long of a manual and it's written in lay-man's terms.

Just saying...

Originally Posted by Nosferatu

read the manual it'll answer that for you.

Here's the best piece of advice for EVERYONE here who has questions. We will all be happy to answer questions but if you just READ THE MANUAL you'd be surprised how much Outlaw provides to begin with. It's not that long of a manual and it's written in lay-man's terms.

Just saying...

Originally Posted by GSDTrainer

Also guys if someone tells you to RTFM its just a short way of saying read the effin manual

Originally Posted by chashint

I would think you could hear a difference in the sound especially in hearing different volume levels of the source material by going from -13 trim to -5... that is a huge improvement in itself.

The Radio Shack SPL meter is pretty easy to use.
Mine is the one with the analog meter so if yours is the digital model it may be a little different but in the end it will do the same thing.
Set the weighting to C, set the response to slow, set the range 80, on the analog meter 0 on the dial = 80db SPL, add or subtract the numbers depending on where the needle is sitting to get the correct dB SPL.
I have not seen the digital meter but chances are it displays the correct SPL without needing to do any math.
Most AVR auto cal programs try to set the speaker level to 75 at the mic position which is where that number comes from.
To set the sub level using the AVR test one (noise) set the subwoofer channel trim to 0, adjust the sub gain control to 1 or 2, turn on the test tone and measure the level with the meter.
Adjust the sub gain control until you get 75 at the listening position.
The mic of the SPL meter should be pointed up and it should remain stationary until you are finished using it.
That's about it.
The C weighting is a correction table based on frequency, google it if you want to know more about it.
The meter uses the C weighting correction and I think its plenty close enough without using additional correction tables.
Your mileage may vary on that, but if I add the popularly published correction factors for the RS SPL meter I get crazy response numbers that just can't be true.

Originally Posted by domingos1965

before i start using the SPL meter does the receiver volume knob have to be at a certain volume?

Originally Posted by Test123455

I ran Audyssey again with the gain at 3 and AGAIN it set it to -15db!

The more correct value is like -3 to -4db though. I guess Audyssey just thinks the sub is way too much for my 1560cf room (and doesnt know what level to set the gain at for subs on 2EQ).

Originally Posted by Test123455

I ran Audyssey again with the gain at 3 and AGAIN it set it to -15db!

The more correct value is like -3 to -4db though. I guess Audyssey just thinks the sub is way too much for my 1560cf room (and doesnt know what level to set the gain at for subs on 2EQ).

Originally Posted by domingos1965

before i start using the SPL meter does the receiver volume knob have to be at a certain volume?

Originally Posted by domingos1965


before i start using the SPL meter does the receiver volume knob have to be at a certain volume?

Originally Posted by chashint

I don't understand why it is so hard to turn the gain knob closer to 0.
Turn it down to .5 if you have to, but get that auto cal trim setting +/-3 from 0.

Originally Posted by capablanca

It's psychological. You pay a lot for a sub and have to set its volume at seemingly less than a 1/4 of its potential.

Originally Posted by chashint

Look at it like ... wow my sub is so powerful I only need to have the amp set to 1 if that helps get past the mental block.

Originally Posted by Nosferatu

That's where your thought process is wrong. That knob isn't a volume knob it's a "gain" setting. Think of it this way, it's got all that room to increase gain if your setup requires it.

I have mine set somewhere between 1 & 2 and just for kicks I played a 20Hz and 35Hz test tone and put my AV receiver to -15dB volume level (sub is tuned to -3dB and I run it 3dB hot so it's set to 0dB)

Whole room was shaking and it's an open 30x15x12 room. So yea, no worries the sub has plenty of room for power at a "low gain".

Originally Posted by nuzzy

I must be an idiot because I had my speakers set to small 80Hz and the RS analog set to 80 as well. In order to get the spl meter needle to zero I had to turn up my avr test tone volume to zero as well.

Originally Posted by capablanca

So you're saying that lowering the gain isnt really limiting the sub in any way?

Originally Posted by capablanca

So you're saying that lowering the gain isnt really limiting the sub in any way? I was confusing the volume knob and gain knob. Apparently they are not the same.

Originally Posted by Nosferatu

correct.

If psychologically this helps you think of it this way. Your receiver is assuming you have a very weak sub so it's sending out a very strong signal. Your outlaw is so powerful that it doesn't need that strong of a signal so your gain is set very low. Works?

Originally Posted by capablanca


the all-powerful EX. I guess part of the confusion is that the gain knob is labeled volume knob on the Outlaw, but I see what you mean now.

Originally Posted by jvmanolis

I have both an EX and a PLUS for dual Outlaw bass bliss. After Audessey calibration which sounds great, both my subs have their gain knobs between 1 and 2.

Originally Posted by domingos1965

will the LFM PLUS play nice if paired with the LFM EX?
or is it better to get another EX?

Originally Posted by jvmanolis

They blend perfectly. I purchased the PLUS after having the EX originally for space issues and WAF. I told the wife I was getting another sub but a smaller version of the EX. Part of the sell job. The PLUS is a little smaller but has same size driver and amp.

Now I have the EX in the front left corner next to my left tower and the PLUS in the opposite back corner next to the couch. The room rocks!!

Originally Posted by capablanca

Quick question. My carpet isn't super thick. I currently have the discs on the sub. For those of you with carpet not so thick, do you get better results with the discs on or just the pointy feet?