Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 136

Thanks for posting that link.
Its been a while since I have looked at the Audioholics website.
Unlike the wildly unpopular VTF15 review there were no surprises.
Of course the LFM1-EX performed very close to the published specs.
It is good to start seeing the results of the Audioholics and Ricci partnership.

After reading the review and 4 weeks of use I really feel like buying the LFM 1-EX was a great decision.

I... see. Well anyway, running in Direct mode will definitely not improve bass response for music or anything else. Anyone can experiment with this and see for himself or herself, it takes like two seconds.

It depends on the corrections Audessey is making. If Audessey is taming that 50 to 80hz bump that in the frequency response that the Audioholics review graph demonstrate, it might be the sort of bass increase that would make someone happier with music performance. Could easily be that the opposite is true--that Audessey is correcting dips that would make the bass response worse if turned off--but who knows?

Anybody who tries it, and it takes two seconds. Direct mode is favored by some purists... for some reason that I don't understand at all. However, what's certain is that if added bass impact for music is the desired result, disabling EQ is not the route to take. It's pretty simple: music recordings almost never have the bass impact that's to be found in movie soundtracks. This is not a limitation of the Outlaw sub, or any sub; it's intrinsic to the majority of stereo music recordings. If you want movie-style bass impact from typical stereo recordings, you need to run your sub hotter. It's simple, it's easy, and doesn't eliminate any of the advantages that EQ (Audyssey or manual) provides. I sincerely hope flamingoezz and Test123455 try it. A powerhouse like the LFM-1 EX can easily produce gobs of bass for music; you just have to tell it to do so

I have no idea why I like it better; maybe I'm just weird (LOL). It's not a purist thing, because I've tried. Around 20 years or so ago, I bought a good equalizer and never did like it for music listening; just didn't use it and got rid of it a year later. I've never liked tone controls; don't like the EQ settings for music on my 2.0 computer setup. I've tried the Audessey MultiEQ in 2.1 with my my main system--even ran it that way for a few weeks to try to adjust. I don't know what it is. Everytime I try EQ effects on music for a while, and the go back to listening with them turned off, I always seem to like it better. I keep hoping one day I'll find an EQ system for music that I like. Maybe that will be Audessey MultiEQ XT when I can upgrade one day

Wow Ricci has been busy. This is his fourth review for audioholics in less than a month. Besides the Emotiva XRef12, I wonder what other reviews will be coming out.

Except for the small low end peak, it looks like it is very similar to Ilkka's measurements of the VTF3-MK3 and the older style SVS PB12-NSD. The review shows it is a great option in the price range.

-Mike

Well, of course, everybody should definitely use the settings that s/he enjoys the most--why else are we listening? My skepticism about Direct mode in general was just an aside. I really meant to say that the disparity between bass levels in music and bass levels in movies is not the result of a problem in the Outlaw LFM-1 EX subwoofer, and that this disparity is most easily 'corrected' by raising sub gain when listening to (most) music--not by switching to Direct mode, which in my experience reduces bass impact across the board.

Just curious--when you run in Direct, what kind of speakers are your stereo pair?

I bounced back and forth between direct mode and MCACC correction until I figured out one of the cal options was to normalize the other speakers to the front main speakers ... leaving the front main speakers FR flat.
I just like the way the RF83s sound with the AVR configured like this.

B&W 601s crossed at 80hz.

This great review gave the EX 4 1/2 stars out of 5 on value with the $650 price. Considering that many of us bought it for $550, including free shipping, makes me very proud to own such a sub. I feel even more convinced that I got the best sub at that price point.
I am still debating whether to run it with both ports opened since the reviewer favored it this way. Not really in the mood to run Audessy again but I may try it.

I ran my Plus in MO mode for a few days and while it did make me smile because the house shook more, I felt like I was missing something. I prefer that deep sub 20hz bass that you get in ME mode so I switched it back. It would be interesting to hear what others experience in their setups

I agree that I would love to hear from those who have used both the ME and MO modes. Please, those of you who have tried both, give us your input.

The only reason I went ID over store brand was the 20Hz extension and the reason I chose the LFM1-EX over the competition was the price.
I will add that I am very well satisified with this purchase and at $550 I consider the LFM1-EX to be an outstanding product.
There is always a but to everything though and that but is that if you do your homework there are plenty of store brand and cheaper ID subs out there that can produce the FR of the max output mode with some pretty decent SPL, plus the store brand subs get it done in significantly smaller boxes too.
Everyone should run the sub the way they want to, but if its not in the max extension mode there is little difference between this sub and cheaper smaller alternatives.
One entire wall of my living room is the TV and audio gear, so its not like my decor was not already impacted in a very significant way by my gear, but if you are going to add a box that takes up this much floor space IMHO it had better be hitting 20Hz without being 12dB down.

Due to height constraint I cannot place the Outlaw LFM-1 EX upright (woofer facing the floor) and I was wondering if placing it on it's side (so that the woofer are firing sideways) would have any negative impact on sound quality. Another potential spot to put the sub is just behind the main seat close to rear corner wall. I could place it upright here but based on past experience with other subs, this is the second best spot for a sub in my room, the first being the corner front wall. Thoughts ?

BTW, how does the Outlaw LFM-1 EX compare to the new Rythmtik FV12 for HT use ?

FYI, my room is 17 x 19 with a small open foyer that leads to stairs. I was able to reach 20 Hz with the JL F112 so my room does give me some room gain. I also have a nasty dip @ 50&60 Hz.

Outlaw Audio is having a private Black Friday Secret Door Super Sale. Details are already out if you're on the e-mail list.

Hands down!!!!!!!! MAX EXT to me at least sounds better. I can feel my entire theater seating shake with max ext....incredible! Just my thoughts

Is MCACC now processing below 64 Hz?

Outlaw Black Friday Private Sale Registration Form.
I guess this is for people who are already purchased from them or am I wrong.

I think you might be right. I thought I had registered for the mailing list with a different email address. The notice I got was to the email I used to purchase the sub.

Perhaps if someone has been following this forum thread in anticipation of buying one, had registered for the mailing list, and did not get the invitation, maybe a phone call to Outlaw might persuade them to invite them to the sale.

Here is the link>>> http://conta.cc/rDeHfE

I haven't purchased yet, but I got the invite.

I got that e-mail as well. Without registering can someone tell me what the deals are that they have listed? Thanks.

I thought the sale won't start until Nov 25.

I registered just now!! Hopefully I will get the key !! I would like to purchase this one The LFM-1 Plus Subwoofer or The LFM-1 EX Subwoofer.
Which one of the above will go best with my HSU VTF-3 MK3 ?

Thanks for any info....

Ray, the LFM-1 EX is more comparable to the VTF3, it will be a better match.

The invite to register for the sale.

Thanks for the info ShadyJ. Hoping I can catch it on sale.

I have a VSX23, I don't know if the new Pioneers EQ the low freqs or not.

The flat response of the LFM1-EX to the tuning point was another reason I wanted it.

I'd like to know this as well. I don't have the height for this sub, but on its side it would be fine.