Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 152

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

Learn me this: These are specs for a couple Energy RC-10 being used as main speakers for the time being. What should I be looking for when setting them up with an LFM-1 Plus (that happens to be on the Fed Ex truck for today's arrival)

Frequency Response 50Hz-23000Hz +/- 3dB
Recommended Amplifier Power up to 175 watts RMS
Components 1" Aluminum Dome Tweeter, 5-1/2" Kevlar Ribbed Elliptical Surround Woofer
Impedance 8 ohms nominal, 4 ohm minimum
Useable Bass Response (-10db Anechoic) 43Hz
Sensitivity (anechoic) 88dB
Sensitivity (2 speakers in a typical room) 91dB
Crossover Point 2.4kHz
Operating Range Tweeter: 1.5kHz and >, Woofer: ~ to 3kHz

Any clue would be very appreciated.

Originally Posted by unavol

FieldingMelish,
You weren't very specific as to what you wanted to learn, but the basics should be something like:

1. Connect the sub to the AVR
2. Run the room correction on your AVR (like Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, etc)
3. Set your speaker size to small
4. Enjoy some bass heavy movies/music
5. Report how you feel about your Outlaw on AVS

Originally Posted by unavol

FieldingMelish,
You weren't very specific as to what you wanted to learn, but the basics should be something like:

1. Connect the sub to the AVR
2. Run the room correction on your AVR (like Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, etc)
3. Set your speaker size to small
4. Enjoy some bass heavy movies/music
5. Report how you feel about your Outlaw on AVS

Originally Posted by loft

Front crossover at 80hz, speakers set to small, run Audyssey/equivalent, enjoy.

Originally Posted by pokekevin

Ahh the young padawin is learning! Haha jk

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

Grasshopper says, "thank you all." After I posted my question, the Fed Ex guy rang the doorbell and it was off to the races. Without checking back on the forum, it was all about feverishly setting up the sub before my wife came home. I tried putting a flowering plant on the top of it, but she spotted the sub hiding underneath. It's that dang sixth sense, I tell 'ya.

The wife is somewhat bewildered by all this activity given the recent sales going on and why I suddenly need a "bunch of large speakers." Best thing she said after a while wandering about the room was that it sounded like a disco. I didn't have disco music on, but it was her way of saying that she was feeling it. So I must have done something right in setting up the sub.

My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V671, so I used its included Parametric room Acoustic Optimizer (YPAO); it's not Audessy, but it's okay; done it before. I took the cord out of my old Take Classic sub (The one that told me it needed replacing when I watched the Close Encounters Blu-Ray; the part where Richard Dreyfus has his first encounter by the train crossing), then stuck said cable into the LFM Plus.

I put the LFM-Plus volume knob on 5, selected max output (took out the port cork), bypassed the LFM-Plus crossover, then ran YPAO. YPAO in typical fashion didn't get the subwoofer's distance correct, so I overrode that setting.

I will have to check where to find out what crossover the Yamaha YPAO selected to see if it's 80hz. (thanks, Loft!) Saints, I don't know what Gain is, so maybe it's the volume knob that I set at 5?

By the way, this sucker is heavy. Suffice to say, I unboxed the sub very carefully to salvage not only the sub, but my back muscles as well. I was blown away and gratified that my Auralex Gramma arrived just after the sub. The sub having been put in place already, I had to re-place it atop the Gramma. A labor of love.

Anyhow, my feelings about the sub is impressed, but newbie wants to be sure. I'll do the sub trick, putting it in the listening position when walking around. I know one thing. When I went to one side of the sub while going to review a setting on the back of it, it was pounding out some guttural notes far deeper than heard from my present listening position. So, while cautious, I am optimistic.

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

I put the LFM-Plus volume knob on 5, selected max output (took out the port cork), bypassed the LFM-Plus crossover, then ran YPAO. YPAO in typical fashion didn't get the subwoofer's distance correct, so I overrode that setting.

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

Nosferatu, cel4145, loft, thanks very much. I just got on forums after some time off and I will check into those mentioned settings asap.

Earlier this morning I had a chance to do the sub crawl all around and found an optimal location. Last night's small party in the sub's initial positioning? Not so much - my friend's girlfriend said she thought the sub wasn't turned on. Though if you walked behind the sub, it was definitely percolating. Today's crawl made it a game changer , so my stoked'ness is on the increase. All seated positions are receiving nice bass. I'll pay attention to all your helpful comments and try to improve what is already sounding encouraging.

Originally Posted by pokekevin


I'll always found it tough to carry the lfm around for my sub crawl. Try playing content than turning off the sub and hear the difference

Originally Posted by pokekevin

2 ex's is god like...wow.

Originally Posted by loft


I don't like you as much anymore

Originally Posted by pokekevin

The apollo 13 launch scene could've knocked down my back wall 0-0

Originally Posted by cel4145


You must be loving life with the Energy RC setup you got, too. Gotta be a lot of improvement of the MLT setup you had before.

Originally Posted by pokekevin

I'm blown away by the sq with music! They aren't even broken in yet. Great recommendation Charlie!

Originally Posted by cel4145

The irony is that you spent as much (a little more) on subwoofers as your 5.0 speaker set. I wonder how we convince newbies building their first HT system to consider even close to kind of ratio that in the AVS Speaker forum? I just had a slight disagreement there with someone who wanted the "theater experience," and yet was intent on keeping his 10 year old Klipsch KSW-100 sub. He said that his friend's 8" Paradigm rattled the walls, too, so he didn't see much point in a 12" ported sub. It's kind of hard to communicate the OMG factor that comes from buying a sub like the Plus or the EX. As I explained to him, it's a "leap of faith" since almost no one new to HT has experience with anything like these subs (BTW: I think he's almost made that leap now).

Maybe we should collect these one liner, tweet-length reactions such as

your "2 ex's is god like...wow."

tatumguy's "I think I know how Buddah felt when he first reached enlightenment."

loft's "Mmmm... *drool* this... is nice..."

Originally Posted by loft

I've experienced it before, but not my own. I'm already thinking about picking up a second... or maybe trying to redo this entire room to accommodate what I have now. Maybe I should rip out the stupid wood paneling that I have, paint the walls, and do some room treatments before anything else. (Even though I'm moving, that's cheaper than a second sub lol)

Originally Posted by cel4145

Don't tear your house up remodeling to support your HT addiction if you are getting ready to move

Originally Posted by cel4145


The irony is that you spent as much (a little more) on subwoofers as your 5.0 speaker set. I wonder how we convince newbies building their first HT system to consider even close to kind of ratio that in the AVS Speaker forum? I just had a slight disagreement there with someone who wanted the "theater experience," and yet was intent on keeping his 10 year old Klipsch KSW-100 sub. He said that his friend's 8" Paradigm rattled the walls, too, so he didn't see much point in a 12" ported sub. It's kind of hard to communicate the OMG factor that comes from buying a sub like the Plus or the EX. As I explained to him, it's a "leap of faith" since almost no one new to HT has experience with anything like these subs (BTW: I think he's almost made that leap now).

Maybe we should collect these one liner, tweet-length reactions such as

your "2 ex's is god like...wow."

tatumguy's "I think I know how Buddah felt when he first reached enlightenment."

loft's "Mmmm... *drool* this... is nice..."

Originally Posted by pokekevin

2 ex's is god like...wow.

Originally Posted by mrjktcvs


Then I don't recommend a third marriage...

Originally Posted by cel4145

With MO, be sure to flip the switch on the back, too. That changes the electronics. Could be very bad for the sub to run in MO or ME while the switch is set the opposite way.

Also, what trim (channel) level did YPAO end up with? That's the important factor, not the gain (volume) setting on the subs. Many people recommend having the gain set on the sub such that the room calibration software ends up between -3db to +3db for best performance (the sub produces better bass), even if you have to turn the gain way down on the back of the sub below where you think it should be. Adjust the gain and run YPAO until in that range. Then if you want more bass after calibration, you can bump the channel level up a couple db.

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

I worked on this today and discovered exactly what you said. First try was using gain of 5 (like it said in the Outlaw manual). Result was negative 10 db on the woofer with crossover at 100hz. Next, I re-ran at 9:00 position (level 2) and the result was plus 1 db on the subwoofer, crossover at 90hz. I manually bumped it up a bit and so far, so good. If I put the gain knob higher than 3 or 4, music starts to get bass-y, and I am made aware as to where the bass is coming from. As a cross check, I'll put on a movie scene or two with heavy bass to see where I am in this. I haven't heard what great bass sounds like at a brick and mortar store or a friends house, but I like what I am hearing.