Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 17

Hi Phil,

I think I'm the one who is confused.

Right, the manufacturers give a recommended room size for each model they sell or they should.

Thanks again for your informative post!

Larry

LOL...........hey it is easy to get confused in this great hobby. I learn something new every day. I still think it comes down to what a person's expectations are. Some prefer tons of bass whereas others not so much. That is why I say getting to know thyself will get one further in this great hobby. That is, the more we know what we want the better choices we will make to achieve that goal. Like most, however, there are other issue such as budget, WAF, and etc. Hope all is well my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

On my LFM-2, I've noticed that if I leave the power switch on "auto" that during the first few minutes of a movie the sub's amp does pick up the signal and responds accordingly. But it seems that when the first scene comes up where there is no substantial bass that the sub just shuts off completely and won't come back on. Anyone else noticed this?

I've taken to just leaving the switch set permanently to "on". I hope there's no real problem in doing so.

Hi preach,

I have the LFM-1+ and I leave it set on auto. AFAIK, this would be the best setting.

I would suggest that you look at your Bass Management settings and see what the trim level is set for the LFE signal. This level might be set too low at -12 to -15 dB and your sub turns off during quieter moments of the movie. Set this trim level to 0 or -5 dB and turn down the volume control on your LFM-2 and see if that works for you.

I hope this helps!

Larry

Laugsbach has a good suggestion. If the receiver's subwoofer trim is too low, the subwoofer might not be receiving a strong enough signal to turn on when there isn't really heavy bass material being played. As he mentioned, you can try adjusting this setting on the receiver so it's close to 0, while turning down the knob on the subwoofer so your overall subwoofer level stays the same. A bit of trial and error and you should be able to do this.

However, there's nothing wrong with leaving the subwoofer set permanently at the "on" position instead of "auto". It might draw a few more watts sitting there idling than if it were standing by in "auto" mode while not in use, but from what I've read the difference isn't very significant. And of course the subwoofer will always respond to all of the bass material sent to it - no need to worry if it will wake up in time for that sudden explosion. I personally have my two subs left "on" for that very reason. Overall, I'd experiment with both settings and see which works best for you. Just wanted you to know it won't hurt anything to leave the sub "on".

Hello lalakersfan34,

First off, I have enjoyed reading your posts throughout the AVS Forum.

I took out the trusty Kill-a-Watt Meter and plugged in the LFM-1+. All three modes of on/off/auto had the same reading of 12 watts without a signal from my AVR. So, you were on the money.

Thanks, I learned something today about my equipment.

Larry

Larry,

Thanks for the compliment. It's a fun hobby, and while I'm certainly far from the most knowledgeable person here, I enjoy contributing when I can.

Interesting findings with your Kill-a-Watt Meter. While I didn't expect a significant difference, I didn't expect there to be zero difference either. Thanks for testing it out. I'd doubt all subwoofers would exhibit that exact behavior, but needless to say your experiment proves that leaving the subwoofer amp "on" won't hurt much .

Completely off topic, I finally watched Cloverfield on Blu Ray today and the bass in that movie is ridiculous! I wonder what those of you with Outlaw subs thought. I think my subs just about packed up and left my room never to be seen again after that torture track!

Best regards,
Stephen

Hi Stephen,

Yes, Cloverfield is ridiculous.

My solid wood door into my TR doesn't close anymore after watching this movie. The BR disc is a big step up in PQ and the AQ is the best of the year for us that love bass.

I am completely drained after watching this movie and this title is my demo disc for movies with bass....just one scene at a time for my guests.

Larry

LOL! Cloverfield broke your door? Wow, that's pretty impressive. Maybe I need more subs, because my room is still intact . I figured two subs in a 900 cubic foot room would be enough, but I guess I was wrong...

Just got my lfm-2 yesterday. Running it an 805 and totem dreamcatchers. Ran audyssy this morning and still tuning it. The sub level seems a little low compared to the rest of my speakers. In any case it's 100x times better than my old onkyo sub that came with the HTIB, which i finally replaced all the components.
I have a few questions that I hope someone can help answere.
1. About how long does it take to break in?
2. Where should the gain be when I run the audyssy?
3. What exactly is 0 and 180 phase?
4. Finally, I have the sub on a piece of carpet which is on wood laminate flooring (the kind that goes on a pad on a concrete slab) . Should I remove the carpet? I also read somewhere to put a piece of granite under the sub. I know you can buy that thing that goes under the sub but I just bought the receiver and sub within a month and the wife said no more.
Any help and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

jtaka1, I would consider doing a manual setup with a good ol SPL meter and measuring tape. I've never had good results with Audyssy or anything similar. That could be user error on my part as well though lol. Break in should not take too long, if at all. I can't say that I noticed any difference after break in on my LFM-1 Plus. I can't describe phase nearly as well as the other guys. The carpet should be fine. My Plus is on some rather deep carpet, and it still sounds great. I am however going to buy the Gramma to put under it, depending on what Audiofreak has to say about it once he gets it. I hope these short and sweet answers help.

Hi Stephen,

I have a standard, solid, 36", wood, entrance door to the TR. The door is located in the back left corner of the room and after tweaking Cloverfield [BR] in all day Saturday for Movie Night with my friends, the small screws in the hinges of the door worked themselves out slightly and the door was out of plumb and wouldn't close.

I have purchased longer screws to really seat the hinges to the door as well as the frame. During Cloverfield the door vibrates like mad and adds another "speaker" to the TR.

I have two subs in a 2800 cubic foot TR and even my wife wants another sub, at least. Yes, she is a keeper.

Larry

Hey Larry. Hope all is well my friend. I would not get another Plus but perhaps a Hsu MBM-12 midbass module. That should prove to be a potent combination-(2) Pluses along with the MBM-12. Just a thought. Have a great holiday Larry.

Cheers,

Phil

+2

Thanks to both of you for a very, very good suggestion. If Outlaw Audio didn't give me the two sub price, I was going to buy the MBM-12 to add to the LFM-1+. I think all along I wanted to have (2) LFM-1+ located farfield and a MBM-12 located nearfield.

Both of you guys are right. My next sub won't be a sub.

Thanks,

Larry

Sounds like a very good plan to me Larry. If, I could place both my Pluses up close to my front-stage, then I may look into getting the MBM-12 to put behind my loveseat. Or, maybe (2) of them........LOL!!!!! Now that would be crazy in such a small room resulting in a WTF factor.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

You go Buddy...nothing wrong with WTF.

You just gave me another idea with dual MBMs behind the sofa.

Have a great week and wonderful 4th of July my good friend.

Cheers to you too,

Larry

Hello Larry. Hope all is well there on the home front. Well, I missed the Fed Ex guy so it will be tomorrow before I can get my Grammas. Not sure if I would really get (2) Hsu MBM-12 midbass modules, but it sure does sound like a good plan if you ask me........LOL!!!!! Be sure to have yourself a great but safe holiday weekend.

Cheers,

Phil

You should have seen my wife's reaction when I told her I wanted to add a second LFM-1 EX and second MBM! After a couple of questions and comments, she politely said "we are done with the speaker thing with this house. Maybe if we get a bigger house." I guess I am just going to have to wear her down or find some invisible paint/covers.

Just place the order and take the heat for it Well, maybe that's bad advice. Nevermind.

She is partially correct. I am still working out locations for the added woofage. It is not easy making them blend in!

Hey Twisted,

That is awesome. Man, you are going to be in tweaker's heaven.

Let us all know what you think after your first movie or audio track.

Larry

**EDIT** Nevermind, Twisted I thought I read "placed the order", you were talking to weverb!

Done, we are never done with the speaker thing.

Larry

I've been thinking about adding an mbm to the plus I just got, but I'm going to wait a good while before I throw that one out. I'm thinking a good time would be after my wife goes on her annual trip with her three sisters in Sept.

Cloverfield about made my couch move with my fat butt on it, I can understand two pluses rattling a door out of plumb.

That's exactly how I feel!

Thanks guys, I will mess around with it. Still getting used to the subtleness of the sub compared to my boomy old HTIB onkyo sub. But I'm loving it a lot so far. I may have to invest in a SPL meter as well.

Yeah, an SPL meter is one of the better purchases I've made. After 4 years in the Artillery, and 4 years in the Infantry, my ears need an SPL meter to get the best results lol

Hello Peeps. Just got my Grammas in today and already have them set up. The Grammas came very quckly and were packed superbly. Thanks goes out to sweetwater.com. Lets just say, I am very pleased with the results thus far. That is, the bass is no longer muffled and as such in so much cleaner. In fact, the bass seems punchier and tighter as well which is just the way I prefer it to be. Here are a few pics for those that may be interested. Be sure to notice that I now have both of my Pluses behind my love-seat. I also want to take the opportunity to wish you all a Happy but Safe 4th of July.

Cheers,

Phil

PS: Feel free to share your thoughts as feedback is always welcomed.

Awesome, Phil! All I can say is "no MBM required!" I'm surprised your love seat hasn't capsized with you on it while watching a movie! You're making my setup feel more and more insufficient...