Official Outlaw Owners thread - Page 18

Hey much appreciated. No need for your PB10-NSD's to feel insufficient. I know as I use to own one myself. Two would have really kicked some serious butt. I must say that the Grammas are honestly making a significant difference. One way to describe it would be for me to say the bass sounds much cleaner. It seems to sound a bit tighter and punchier as well. Not much, if any, overhang at all. I am convinced that the best place to put my Pluses is right behind my love-seat. If, any of you Outlaw owners are thinking about getting a Gramma or even a SubDude be sure to do it. It will be worth your time and money. I am so glad I did.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil, do you think using something like Grammas underneath my PB10's would improve their sound? I don't find that they sound bad by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it'd be worth a try if it would make them sound even better.

To be honest, I am not really sure. If the PB10-NSD was a down-firing sub with down-firing ports then my answer would easily be a resounding YES. You may want to ask that question over on the SVS thread or contact them directly. Erik Kroner or Ed Mullen are both so helpful regarding things like that. My guess would be it sure wouldn't hurt anything. There are many PB10-NSD owners out there and as such sure some own or have owned a Gramma/SubDude. If you find any be sure to let us know what you found out. Or, if you order them be sure to post your initial impressions if you don't mind. Have a great 4th.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I'm not sure if I'll bother. It'll cost $100 to do it and I'm not exactly swimming in money, so I'd probably better hold off for now. I'm happy with how things are now, but if adding Grammas were a surefire way to make things even better, I'd consider it. Keep enjoying those LFM-1+'s and a happy 4th to you as well .

Stephen

I sure hope your sofa has a seat-belt.

Phil, thanks for the feedback and have a wonderful 4th of July.

Larry

Well, I just received my brand new LFM-1 EX, and I have put it through a bunch of music and movie testing. I am very impressed with its performance. I have been using an SVS PB12-ISD for the past several years since its release, and I subsequently upgraded to the SVS NSD driver.

First, the Outlaw is a very sharp sub. The plexiglass top looks great, and while the Outlaw is a large sub, it looks quite good in the corner. And obviously due to the downfiring woofer and ports, placement is very flexible. I am not a very technical guy, so I don't run objective tests. I do of course calibrate my system, so I know everything is dialed in pretty well, as it was with my SVS.

The bottom line is, the Outlaw is much less localizable than the SVS. It blends seamlessly with my Axiom M60 towers. The bass is a bit more tuneful than the SVS. I have just been running it in max. extension, but I will likely try out the max. output, and it is nice to have the option. Music performance is stellar. With movies it packs quite a wallop, but it never loses its tightness.

I consider it a bargain at the current price. Considering the LFM-1 Plus is $100 less, and offers most of the performance of the EX, that one is steal. But I figured if I was doing it, I wanted to do it "right" and get their flagship. That's about it--back to listening.

Hello jeffrey r,

Welcome to the Outlaw Family.

Thanks for your thoughts on your new EX. Ya, sometimes I wished I had gone for the EX over the +.

Good luck and keep us all posted with your experiences.

Larry

Hi Stephen,

That is exactly what this Forum is designed to do.

Larry

Thanks Stephen. I would at the very least look into it. Who knows, it may make a significant difference. Hey, if it doesn't I am sure one of the Outlaw owners would snatch them right up if you should ever decide to sell them. Of course, at a reduced price, but at least you would not be out all of the $100. Just a thought.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Larry hope all is well my friend. I have turned them up a bit, but nothing too scary. It is just sooooo solid and clean. Kinda spooky if you will. Anyways, I hope to get some more fine-tuning done as well.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks--glad to join the club. The Outlaw subs are truly excellent. I heard the original LFM-1 at a HT show in NYC a few years ago, so I knew the Outlaw subs could perform. My SVS served me very well over the years, and it will go in our basement system--the little Velodyne VX-10 will go I don't know where. Admittedly, I am sure SVS has made improvements in their box subs since my sub was released (it was one of their initial box subs). But the LFM-1 EX is clearly a more refined sub than my PB12.

And I love the downfiring woofer and ports--I have a 3.5 year old son and another on the way. My son made good use of my SVS port for storage for his cars and such. So the Outlaw is very practical.

Phil,

Thanks for the review and pictures. Looks great! How tall are the Grammas?

Thanks.

No problem. The Grammas are 2 3/4" tall. I am convinced that they really do make a big difference. If, you are thinking of getting one my vote would be to go for it. You will be glad you did.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks Phil, for making me spend more money My Grammas are on their way. Placed the order last night. I had a feeling your review would be favorable, and I would be ordering them soon. I can't wait to hear them. That tightness and punchy bass is what I always crave. It sounds like the Gramma is what I've been looking for.

Hi Dave. I think it is a good move ordering (2) of the Grammas. I am sure you will notice the difference just as I have. Congrats on the purchase.

Cheers,

Phil

Heya Larry hope all is well. This is actually a good idea. Much less expensive too......LOL!!!!!!! Hope you have had a good 4th.

Cheers,

Phil

I'm liking this idea alot. Thanks for sharing Larry

Hi Phil,

Everything is going good, my friend. After I run the REW, I still might buy the Grammas as well. I am having some WAF problems with the Grammas.

Enjoy your week!

Larry

Hello everyone. I am a soon to be proud owner of a LFM-1 EX. Oredered it bout 30 minutes ago over the phone. It was from the b-stock they have on hand which made it $549 and they cover the shipping. If i decide i do not like it i do have to pay for return shipping though.

From what i was told b-stock may have some slight blemishes and a slightly used look. If that is the case i have no issues whatsoever. That i can handle. He assured me it would never pass quality control if it looked like it went thru a ringer.

This is definitely my first "real subwoofer" so to speak. My current Polk PSW12 is gonna feel like a transistor radio compared to this thing. The Polk has served me well over the past couple years so i cannot talk it down to much. The Outlaw i feel will just be an incredible upgrade from all i have read about it.

It came down literally to this sub and the ed a3-300. The LFM-1 Plus was the original target but with the EX available via b-stock i decided why not. I was planning on spending $500 for the a3-300. I really hope this was the correct decision. I cannot test them side by side so i may never truely know but i am happy with the decision and bottom line, thats all an end user can truely hope for.

Ill update once i get it home and fired/calibrated up. Thanks to you all.

You got a great deal kendog, and I think you will be very pleased with the EX. I guess I should have called Outlaw, as I checked their b-stock online and didn't see the EX listed. I likely would have taken a chance on b-stock for the price that you got, but oh well, I got an A-stock instead.

While it is pretty big, it is a very attractive sub. I like the fact that I can choose maximum extension with one port plugged, or maximum output with no ports plugged. I have currently settled on maximum output, but like having the option. And the sound quality of the EX is outstanding. Very tuneful bass that blends very well with main speakers, but it still goes very low and can rattle your house with ease. Enjoy, and let us know how you like it.

Hello kendog1967

You made a great decision!

That is less than I paid for my LFM-1+ delivered to Cincinnati, Ohio.

Please check back and let all of us know what you think.

Larry

Hello Larry, sorry about the WAF issues. I used to have to deal with that, but no longer. However, I admit it does get a bit lonely sometimes. The Grammas sure wouldn't hurt anything if you and the wife ever do decide to get them. Just be sure to keep us posted my friend. Have a great day.

Cheers,

Phil

Woohooo congrats kendog!!!!!! Hey, I would think you made a good choice. I have been impressed with my Pluses so far and I am sure the EX is even more impressive. Kudos to you.

Cheers,


Phil

Fellow Owners,

My wife is out with the GFs and it is time for me to be 20 years old again.

I played a couple of tracks to see what they sounded like with two LFM-1+ crankin' out the bass:

For the HD-DVD crowd, I played U2 Rattle and Hum. "With or Without You", track 15 and there is some serious bass at 01:07:43 mark. I am using DD+ and measured 108 dB @ reference level on the Onkyo 805.

Next up is Blu-ray, on a side note, I have always been Purple. Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You In Time. The song choice was "The Hand That Feeds" using the DD TruHD 5.1 track. WOW. This is the Cloverfield of concert titles. I had the 805 set at -6.5dB and when I went to look at my SPL meter (attached to a tripod anchored between the sofa seats), it had been bounced to the floor! Play this as loud as you can. This song has bass from start to finish.

I am always looking for bass titles, so please chime in with any and all recommendations.

Larry

I found a lot of great bass in the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over". I think it was more for the MBM than the EX. It might not be very low, but there was a lot of good quality bass there. I know the is a Linkin Park (Reanimation album) track that is suppose to have some really good low bass that many reviewers use for testing. I cannot remember the track though.

Good choices, particularly the NIN song. I feel the need to put my Motley Crue dvd in for a test drive.

I had Sat night off from the family, and watched Live Free or Die Hard a "bit" louder than usual....That is until a big thunder boomer blocked my Directv signal for a half hour.

I did notice the HD signal didn't sound as good as even the SD dvd does.

Thanks for the suggestions, weverb!

Larry

I agree with you Rivrrat.

Larry