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post #6211 of 7087
Knew it... not bad though

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post #6212 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The sneak preview is the Marantz SR5007 for $699. Seems like a good price, but nothing for sub enthusiasts to get excited over. frown.gif

I had to go through the hassle of the secret sale to find one middling receiver at an OK price. For a single item, they should put it on sale on their website and be done with it.
post #6213 of 7087
This new receiver passes through 4K-2k!

Now if I just had a compatible source and display......
post #6214 of 7087
Got to watch 21 Jump Street last night and it had some rattling lows during music scene. Only had one particular scene Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
limo chase
that got my Ex's a workout.

Next up tonight is A Thousand Words.
post #6215 of 7087
Watched "Man on Fire" last night and the LFE was awesome.

By the way, looks like EX is on sale Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
not so much $649
again eek.gif.
post #6216 of 7087
On the same day as cel4145 I placed an order for dual CHT VS18.1's. I currently have a single EX and was hoping to keep it and run it near field between the two main listening positions. Im going to try a few different set-ups and placements, and try to get a good feel for how they all interact.
post #6217 of 7087
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Originally Posted by thebriman View Post

I currently have a single EX and was hoping to keep it and run it near field between the two main listening positions.

I would do the same...the EX works great in a near field set-up. It would help to have some measurement capability and experiment with the phase switch on the EX
post #6218 of 7087
Odd...

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post #6219 of 7087
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post #6220 of 7087
Since it was my goof that shut down the conversation, I'll start it up again. I just picked up a used Antimode 8033-B. Does a nice job at smoothing out the frequency response of the EX where it is placed in my room, beyond what my receiver with Audyssey MultiEQ can do. Easy setup and use. The hardest part was I had to rerun Audyssey again. Would be an especially good option for anyone that has only Audyssey 2EQ or a Yamaha or Pioneer receiver that also does not EQ the sub.
post #6221 of 7087
Just finish watching Wrath of the Titans tonight, it has some kick a$$ bass eek.gif.
post #6222 of 7087
Watched the 5th Element on Netflix HD streaming on the 4th, looked real good and while its probaly just my imagination the sound was better than I remembered from the DVD.
post #6223 of 7087
Outlaw having B-Stock sale (ends 07/16 or while supplies last) ... LFM-1 EX and LFM-1 Plus for $579 and $499 respectively (with fs).
post #6224 of 7087
For some reason the $499 Plus just seems to be easier to pull the trigger but in the end is the EX that much better. This is going in a downstairs family room corner that is open to everything.
post #6225 of 7087
Any thoughts on how the lfm-1 plus compares to a hsu vtf-2 ? Was going to buy a hsu, as it seems most in that thread are estatic over hsu products. I have a 12x 12 room with a doorway opening to my foyer. Placement will be tricky as you can imagine in a small area (will try to put up front), may end up placing beside my listening area as a side table.). I havent read the outlaw thread, any reliability or customer service issues ? Will probably be looking at B stock due to sale.
post #6226 of 7087
I can't answer your question on how the LFM-1 Plus compares, as I only have the EX. But, years of ownership now and no issues, and I've never seen anyone speak of issues within this thread. I recommend these to my friends and family, and have no concerns doing so.
post #6227 of 7087
From researching this owners thread, it seems that the Plus was originally created to compete with an earlier model of the HSU VTF-3. The HSU VTF-3 used to have a similar design to the current VTF-2, only with a more powerful amp. If I had to bet, I would imagine that the Plus would out perform the VTF-2 in max output.

Oh, and I have a b-stock EX, and would not hesitate to buy b-stock from Outlaw again. Mine has a slight dent in the cabinet (about the size of a quarter) on the back corner where you can't see it. It had obviously been painted over at the factory. Others have reported no cosmetic blemishes at all with the their b-stock.
post #6228 of 7087
Would my budget 100 watt per channel Denon receiver 5.1 3D receiver make a difference on the choice. The receiver currently seems to handle everything so far.
2 Boston towers with 8 inch subs in them, VR12 center and replacing a low end 100 watt sub.
post #6229 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

From researching this owners thread, it seems that the Plus was originally created to compete with an earlier model of the HSU VTF-3. The HSU VTF-3 used to have a similar design to the current VTF-2, only with a more powerful amp. If I had to bet, I would imagine that the Plus would out perform the VTF-2 in max output.
Oh, and I have a b-stock EX, and would not hesitate to buy b-stock from Outlaw again. Mine has a slight dent in the cabinet (about the size of a quarter) on the back corner where you can't see it. It had obviously been painted over at the factory. Others have reported no cosmetic blemishes at all with the their b-stock.

Thank you, Placed my order this morning after reading responses above. I have a full theater with epson 8500 in my basement, and 2 months ago, decided my den (gaming room) needed upgraded from my onkoyo htib. So, since then, I have bought a pair of energy rc-30, pair of energy rc-10 for rears, and a rc-lcr for center, and a denon 2112 receiver. This Outlaw lfm-1 plus will complete my set up, and should sound amazing in my 12x12 x8 room. Appreciate the feedback, and will be reading this thread in the mean time.
post #6230 of 7087
Thoughts on how two LFM-1-EX subs would compare to one hsu vtf-15h? I've grown tired of the constant amp and driver issues that have plagued my ed a3-300 and I'm ready for an upgrade. thoughts?
post #6231 of 7087
Buy a driver and amp from Parts Express and put the a-300 back into action.
The VTF-15 is ugly enough to make me pass on it, but style is in the eye of the beholder.
I personally like the downfiring design of the driver and ports on the EX, but again that is a preference thing.
Plenty of measurements out there for max SPL of the EX and the VTF-15, check Audioholics for the reviews.
If the a-300 was enough (when it was working) a single EX would be plenty too.
post #6232 of 7087
Based on the measurements from reviews, it's a good guess that two EXs will have equal max SPL to one VTF-15h, and they may even dig a little deeper in the very low frequency range. Don't see how you could go wrong with that choice, especially since you would have a dual sub setup vs. one for smoothing in room frequency response.
post #6233 of 7087
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

Watched the 5th Element on Netflix HD streaming on the 4th, looked real good and while its probaly just my imagination the sound was better than I remembered from the DVD.

Hi chashint, it does sound better (with DD+) on my S590.

Watch LockOut and some scene has some serious LFE and Project X as well (music).
post #6234 of 7087
Lock Out looks promising, the old Project X with the chimps might be worth revisiting but the new one about a high school party is not my kind of movie.
post #6235 of 7087
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Originally Posted by amazonracer View Post

Would my budget 100 watt per channel Denon receiver 5.1 3D receiver make a difference on the choice. The receiver currently seems to handle everything so far.
2 Boston towers with 8 inch subs in them, VR12 center and replacing a low end 100 watt sub.

I realize it's been 4 days, but nobody answered you. The receiver should not matter, all the power is delivered by the sub's amp.
post #6236 of 7087
Will be receiving by B stock plus, which I purchased last week during the sale for $499. Pretty excited, my room is only 11x11, so it should be pretty sweet. I will try to figure out the sub crawl today, do you simply run a test tone for sub only, and see where it sounds best. I have a denon 2112 receiver.
post #6237 of 7087
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Pretty excited, my room is only 11x11, so it should be pretty sweet.

It will be sweet...as an experiment I moved one of my LFM-1 PLUS subs to a 10' x 12' x 8' room with a suspended floor and dialed in the sub. WOW...the PLUS really hits hard in that size space. cool.gif
post #6238 of 7087
Woot! B-stock EX arrived today. This thing looks perfect... not a fingerprint on it and only a very slight crack/chip on the back upper corner by the amp. Otherwise perfect....

I have an uphill battle in my 28x30x8 family room. So far it is doing better than I hoped. I have an older AVR so no room EQ of any kind. I would love to hear any pointers or opinions you guys may have to help things out.

SOOO... EX set to Max Output mode. Port plug removed. Crossover defeated.
Panasonic XR55 set to small, 80 and sub only (instead of mains+sub)
I used my older 10" sub to do the sub crawl... think it matters? Corner loaded was the best and the EX is there now. Nearfield behind the sofa was better but could not get past WAF. Oddly enough just left of my TV about a 1/3 way down the wall was 3rd best.

Dialed it in to 75dB on my rat shack analog using the XR's pink noise. Resulted in my XR 'Sub' channel being set at 10 (midrange, 0-20 scale) and the EX just a smidgen past 5. Like 5.2 or so. Any chance this is to much? So far I haven't detected anything 'bad' sound wise. Should I raise the sub channel to back the gain on the EX off?
After a few hours of music and movie clips I started running some sweeps and test tones (at around 65dB because 75 is dam loud) sparingly as to baby it. It looks like I've got some crossover tweaking to do or else I'm just seeing big room gains. 85-75Hz tones are right in line with pink noise from the XR, but at 90-120Hz I read about 5 to 10 dB more than pink noise. In theory the EX shouldn't be playing right? I mean not until it gets to 80... because both the EX and my mains are playing in the 120-80 range.

Also from 70Hz-50Hz I'm seeing gains again at about 5 to 10 dB higher than the pink noise. Also I still detect my mains playing a little bit. I know crossover isn't a wall per say but they seem to be pretty strong down till about 50 which might acount for the +5-10dB I'm seeing above and below cross??? Isn't there some issue with the analog rat shack meters on the lower end as well? Looks like I'm down 3dB at 30 and I'm hearing port noise. At 25 I think I'm just about out of meter but I can still hear/feel a bit of sound although it is almost drowned out by port noise.

I might have an option to put this a bit closer in a near field setup but it has to clear WAF. I plan to use the end table/plexi top to my advantage. smile.gif

Overall I'm impressed. I've only had budget midbass units before. This is my 1st real sub and I'm shocked that I'm able to get this good of performance in my huge space. Can't wait to get a second.... smile.gif
post #6239 of 7087
The white noise is to get the levels matched the AVR knows the level of the noise and uses a preset output volume, it then adjusts each channel trim level to achieve (usually 75dB) a target sould level at the microphone.
When you run test tones there are a lot of moving parameters... level the tone is recorded at, output level of the device playing it, and the gain of the preamp input of the AVR.
To make tone measurements just adjust the master volume control so the level is comfortable to listen to, it does not have to be overly loud, just keep the master volume set at the same level for all tones (get your tones from one source, don't mix tones from one source with another).
The crossover in the AVR rolls off the high end of the sub and the low end of the speakers and if you draw it an X with rounded lines will be formed.
The region where both the sub and the speakers are playing overlap in this X pattern and the frequencies add so the result is a flat frequency response of the combined speaker and sub outputs.
The phase of the sub should be set so the level of the combined output at the crossover frequency is the highest, when the phase of the sub and the speakers match the output adds, when they do not match they cancel each other.
When measuring the frequency response at the listening position you are really measuring the frequency response of the room at that particular location more than you are measuring what the sub or the speakers are doing.
It is very common for the frequency response of the room to vary (sometimes wildly) across the frequency range and across the different locations in the room.
post #6240 of 7087
So, I received my Outlaw Plus on Wed, a B stock from the sale last week. I'm not sure how this was a B stock, cant see any imperfections, maybe a return ? Have a new denon 2112, and all new energy Rc-30 Rc-10 and Rc-Lcr speakers for my den which is around 11x11. After running Audessey, I noticed that my sub was listed as minus -12, so I lowered volume to 2, and reran, now its coming back at -3. Havent really watched any movies to this point that have shown off the sub, so the jury is still out. I still need to do a sub crawl, currently I have crammed it into my front right corner between the center and front right speaker. Ideally, I'm hoping that I can place beside my sitting area. I think part of my problem so far is that I have always ran my sub way to hot. This is my first receiver with Audessey, and it really seems that reference level may be lower than I'm used to. I'm just wondering, with the volume set at 2, how hard can this hit, being pushed so little .
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