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post #6721 of 7087
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Originally Posted by smudge981 View Post

Well, there's $50 you'll never see again. Seriously, placebo effect. Heck, I even made one for myself using rubber interlocking gym flooring squares because I thought it was worth a shot. I rank their preceived benefit right up there with Monster cables.

I have the Auralex Gramma Pad & there is absolutely no heard or measurable difference with or without.
post #6722 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Ryan West View Post

I have not seen or read about them but I thought maybe my carpet was possibly muffling the bass so I took a 1" thick piece of oak cut a little larger than the sub and put the sub on that and it didn't make any difference really.
Wavelengths from subs run from about twelve to sixty feet long. They're no more bothered by some carpet than is an elephant by a spitball. That's also much of the reason why isolation pads do next to nothing.
post #6723 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Wavelengths from subs run from about twelve to sixty feet long. They're no more bothered by some carpet than is an elephant by a spitball. That's also much of the reason why isolation pads do next to nothing.

+1

Science strikes again.
post #6724 of 7087
I understand but it seems like carpet could still absorb some sound waves or muffle them somehow, vs them being reflected off a hard surface?
post #6725 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Ryan West View Post

I understand but it seems like carpet could still absorb some sound waves or muffle them somehow, vs them being reflected off a hard surface?
Yes, it may affect some higher frequencies, much higher than any sub should be putting out. But that is why a rug may help a poor sub as it may muffle some of the higher frequencies that result from distortion or other unwanted noises created by a less than perfect sub being driven hard.

edit: this link shows a graph of absorption vs. freq. for a type of carpet.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zsEBavFYZuEC&pg=PA107
post #6726 of 7087
Well my sub is perfect in every way biggrin.gif
post #6727 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Ryan West View Post

Well my sub is perfect in every way biggrin.gif

Then you DEFINITELY need two of them wink.gif
post #6728 of 7087
Yeah I'm still trying to convince the wife lol.. She's not thrilled at the idea.. Women just don't get it..cool.gif
post #6729 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Ryan West View Post

I understand but it seems like carpet could still absorb some sound waves or muffle them somehow, vs them being reflected off a hard surface?
Not those that come from a sub, unless the carpet is couple of feet thick.
post #6730 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Some people on here have one EX and one Plus. The trick would be to put the Plus nearer the listening position so that it can more easily keep up with the EX.

I have a Plus and an EX, both equal distance from the MLP, both in front, between the display and the front mains.
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Originally Posted by mattdub1 View Post

I would like to know too how big a difference between the two subs there is. I have heard before that there isn't much noticeable difference but it seems Cel4145 thinks the EX is a lot more powerful???

I find a big difference. The Plus is capable of more subtle nuances than the EX. In direct comaprison, the EX is a bit brash compared to the Plus. In the end, they are both great subs, better-cannot be found at this price poin.
post #6731 of 7087
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Originally Posted by nikerret View Post

I have a Plus and an EX, both equal distance from the MLP, both in front, between the display and the front mains.
I find a big difference. The Plus is capable of more subtle nuances than the EX. In direct comaprison, the EX is a bit brash compared to the Plus. In the end, they are both great subs, better-cannot be found at this price poin.
Has this comparison been made with the plus and ex locations exchanged?
post #6732 of 7087
Here's a little Outlaw LFM-1 Plus action.. This is my workshop in my enclosed porch, the system is in the house of course.. cool.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM59Ner_-yc
post #6733 of 7087
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Originally Posted by nikerret View Post

I have a Plus and an EX, both equal distance from the MLP, both in front, between the display and the front mains.
I find a big difference. The Plus is capable of more subtle nuances than the EX. In direct comaprison, the EX is a bit brash compared to the Plus. In the end, they are both great subs, better-cannot be found at this price poin.

What mode were they both in? Were there any differences in the bass management side of things? How did you compare them exactly?
post #6734 of 7087
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Originally Posted by nikerret View Post

I have a Plus and an EX, both equal distance from the MLP, both in front, between the display and the front mains.
I find a big difference. The Plus is capable of more subtle nuances than the EX. In direct comaprison, the EX is a bit brash compared to the Plus. In the end, they are both great subs, better-cannot be found at this price poin.

So what you're saying is that the Plus has more detail and the EX has a more powerful and room filling sound? If I'm not understanding correctly, please clarify. Thanks
post #6735 of 7087
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Originally Posted by mattdub1 View Post

So what you're saying is that the Plus has more detail and the EX has a more powerful and room filling sound? If I'm not understanding correctly, please clarify. Thanks

Same driver, same amp, just a bigger box. That's basically what's going to happen, or appear to happen. The bigger box will allow it to load up more & put out more.
post #6736 of 7087
Has anyone done a measurement of both the plus and ex using the exact same condition/methodology? I know there are several data sets on the ex and some on the plus, but they can't be compared well as they were done by different evaluators.
post #6737 of 7087
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post

Has anyone done a measurement of both the plus and ex using the exact same condition/methodology? I know there are several data sets on the ex and some on the plus, but they can't be compared well as they were done by different evaluators.

According to outlaw, they generally sound the same. The ex digs about 2Hz deeper and is a little louder. Since they're the same except for the larger enclosure in the ex, that's about what would be expected.
post #6738 of 7087
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

According to outlaw, they generally sound the same. The ex digs about 2Hz deeper and is a little louder. Since they're the same except for the larger enclosure in the ex, that's about what would be expected.
Correct, but it would still be nice to see a FR comparison in a controlled environ. I am more curious about the bumps and slopes vs. the max dB and extension.
post #6739 of 7087
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

Did you ever get the sub up off the carpet on the Gramma? If so, what were your thoughts?
Hey grizimes. Sorry for the late reply. I have done some initial testing with it but I want to do some more and come back with a better answer. But initial impressions are more of a subtle difference. But will do more testing.
Also my sub is running in ME mode (Maximum Extension) with one port closed. Will test again with some of the sample movies listed in the thread about LFE somewhere in this forum.
post #6740 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jaramill View Post

Hey grizimes. Sorry for the late reply. I have done some initial testing with it but I want to do some more and come back with a better answer. But initial impressions are more of a subtle difference. But will do more testing.
Also my sub is running in ME mode (Maximum Extension) with one port closed. Will test again with some of the sample movies listed in the thread about LFE somewhere in this forum.
Can't wait to hear what you have to say. When I had my Plus in my main system I always wondered what I was missing not having the EX. There have been a few people in this thread that have had both, but besides a little bit of extension and headroom there was no real data to separate the two besides Ricci who said the EX was a bit mistuned probably because it was tuned for the Plus.
post #6741 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

Can't wait to hear what you have to say. When I had my Plus in my main system I always wondered what I was missing not having the EX. There have been a few people in this thread that have had both, but besides a little bit of extension and headroom there was no real data to separate the two besides Ricci who said the EX was a bit mistuned probably because it was tuned for the Plus.
^^ oops quoted the wrong person. I was curious if nikerrette had any data to compare... stupid phone... and user lol.
post #6742 of 7087
Any word on whether more M8s are on the way, or have they been discontinued?
post #6743 of 7087
So I just moved into a newly built home.... In my old home the family room/ HT setup was in a basement; in the new home the family room/ HT setup is on the first floor with basement under it so its a suspended floor. All I can say is WOW!!! I have dual LFM-1 Plus's and I have loved them from day 1 but now I love them even more. I now am experiencing the bass that you feel in the floor and in the furniture. This room is also a lot better for sound than the old room was. But I am really impressed how good the Plus's sound. Much more tactile feeling now and I never measured but I believe this room is yielding greater low end bass room gain. The scene from Iron Man 2 blu-ray near the begining where Iron man jumps out of the plane and is flying thru the air to the Stark Expo is simply amazing. When the rocket boosters kick in the couch starts shaking and you just feel a ton of air moving in the room, all the while no port noise.
post #6744 of 7087
EX is on sale again. $629 shipped. In case anyone is interested.
post #6745 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cjsiv View Post

EX is on sale again. $629 shipped. In case anyone is interested.

So with it being only $80 than the Plus is it worth that extra 80 bucks?
post #6746 of 7087
^^^ Actually its only $9 more than the Plus because the $629 includes free shipping..... The Plus is normally sold for $549 + $71 Shipping = $620. So with this sale price of the EX YES definitely go for it over the Plus. But I bought my Pluses on sale for $499 each with free shipping, so if you would be comparing the $499 to $629 then I'd say get the Plus.
post #6747 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cjsiv View Post

EX is on sale again. $629 shipped. In case anyone is interested.

Man I wish I had the spare cash to pull the trigger on a second one.
post #6748 of 7087
I bought my EX on Black Friday, how often do they have sales? I am trying to decide if I should pick up another one or go for a plus later on?
post #6749 of 7087
^^^ I believe they have like 3 to 4 sales a year. If you already have 1 EX I suggest picking up another EX now, don't wait for the Plus. I have dual Plus's but I'd rather have dual EX's.
post #6750 of 7087
Picked up an EX. I was just about to pull the trigger on an HSU vtf-2, but with shipping it was only about another $20 to get the EX. My room is only around 2000 cf, so this should be way more than enough.

edit..and my wife is going to kill me. The sale was for $150 right guys? smile.gif
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