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post #6781 of 7087
Actually Scott left Outlaw a few months ago, call back and ask for Nancy.
post #6782 of 7087
Does anyone here own the Outlaw M8? Can I get some opinions on it? The reviews have been very good.
post #6783 of 7087
Dual LFM1 Plus's here. Max output or max extension. Is there really a big difference?
post #6784 of 7087
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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

Dual LFM1 Plus's here. Max output or max extension. Is there really a big difference?

With duals I would personally run max extension. Here is Audioholics numbers for the EX in both modes so you can kind of see the differences.

16hz 20hz 25 31.5 40 50 63 80 100 125

OUTLAW AUDIO: LFM-1-EX: 18hz / / 97.5 102.1 104.7 107.2 110.5 112.4 113.3 113.3 112.9 112.8

OUTLAW AUDIO: LFM-1-EX: 25hz / / 86.9 101.0 107.3 110.7 112.3 113.7 113.8 113.7 113.1 112.8


As you can see from 63 and up both modes should be identical and below that the second should make up the difference compared to a single in max output. From below 25hz you will see the biggest help from max extension.
post #6785 of 7087
I haven’t looked at the Outlaw thread in a while. As I reviewed some older posts, I noticed some people talking about the Gramma and whether it makes a difference, or not. I moved from a house with a 20x20x10 carpeted (new construction with new carpet & 1/2” foam pad) living room to the current house with a 11x24x8 living room/dining room with wood-laminate flooring. My LFM-1 EX was awesome in the carpeted living room; it sounded muddy and sloppy with the wood-ish floors (owned first house, renting current – can’t do much with placement in the second). In the current house with movies cranked up, the sub would actually move a few inches during movies as it rattled itself around on the floor (with the feet disks under the spikes). Perhaps the flooring is not finished well below the ‘wood.’ I bought the Gramma, and it made a world of difference for me (on the wood-ly floors). The bass cleaned up and no more walkie-sub. I am very happy with the Gramma, but I also don’t think it would have made much difference on my previous home’s carpeted floor. Now the only thing that rattles is the bay window in the living room smile.gif. My argument isn’t for the Gramma changing the physics of the sound waves, but for it to absorb vibrations between the sub-box and the floor from the speaker moving up and down in the cabinet on an imperfect floor.
post #6786 of 7087
B-stock sale going on now. The M8 and Plus are out of stock but the Ex is still available for $599. Check their website for details.
post #6787 of 7087
Anyone tried using the LFM-1 plus or EX on their side inside a built in cabinet wall unit since they are designed to be downfiring (I know this is not recommended, but WAF must be considered)? This is the only way it will fit in the enclosure with 15" (plus) or 17"(EX) high in a cabinet that is 20.5" high max. Cabinet doors will be opened during movies. Thanks!
post #6788 of 7087
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Originally Posted by ainsworth View Post

Anyone tried using the LFM-1 plus or EX on their side inside a built in cabinet wall unit since they are designed to be downfiring (I know this is not recommended, but WAF must be considered)? This is the only way it will fit in the enclosure with 15" (plus) or 17"(EX) high in a cabinet that is 20.5" high max. Cabinet doors will be opened during movies. Thanks!

Can you give a picture of what you are specifically wanting to do.
post #6789 of 7087
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Originally Posted by ainsworth View Post

Anyone tried using the LFM-1 plus or EX on their side inside a built in cabinet wall unit since they are designed to be downfiring (I know this is not recommended, but WAF must be considered)? This is the only way it will fit in the enclosure with 15" (plus) or 17"(EX) high in a cabinet that is 20.5" high max. Cabinet doors will be opened during movies. Thanks!

People have tried the EX and Plus on their side (not sure about in a cabinet) with good success. On the EX (not sure about the Plus), you would need to find bolts to replace the spikes in the holes as those go all the way into the enclosure. Also, that amp will need some room to dissipate heat.
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Can you give a picture of what you are specifically wanting to do.[/quote
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Can you give a picture of what you are specifically wanting to do.[/quote

Hope this works!
post #6792 of 7087
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Originally Posted by ainsworth View Post

Hope this works!

The thing I would really worry about is the air being moved by e woofer vibrating that cabinet and everything else in/on it
post #6793 of 7087
Would putting it on a subdude or rubber coasters help? Would the larger EX be better than the plus since it will take up more space in cabinet and reduce amount of empty air around it?
post #6794 of 7087
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Originally Posted by ainsworth View Post

Would putting it on a subdude or rubber coasters help?
No.
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Would the larger EX be better than the plus since it will take up more space in cabinet and reduce amount of empty air around it?
No. The problem you will have is that 12 to 60 foot long bass wavelengths will cause anything and everything in that cabinet that's not solidly fixed in place to vibrate. That includes the doors, the shelves, the TV, and anything on the shelves.
The other issue is whether that placement will sound good. Murphy's Law says that it probably won't.
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My argument isn’t for the Gramma changing the physics of the sound waves
Good, because it can't. You've found what it can do, but as far as that goes this will accomplish the same thing, at a much lower price, and you can easily cut it to size:
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202015909&R=202015909#.UP66YGeYUYc
post #6795 of 7087
You need to buy a sub that does not fit in the cabinet, then when you find out it doesn't you will have to compromise and put it in the best sounding position.
post #6796 of 7087
You need to buy a sub that does not fit in the cabinet, then when you find out it doesn't you will have to compromise and put it in the best sounding position.


I really like that idea! Any experience with the plus or EX wireless option that you can buy with these subs?
post #6797 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

No.
No. The problem you will have is that 12 to 60 foot long bass wavelengths will cause anything and everything in that cabinet that's not solidly fixed in place to vibrate. That includes the doors, the shelves, the TV, and anything on the shelves.
The other issue is whether that placement will sound good. Murphy's Law says that it probably won't.
Good, because it can't. You've found what it can do, but as far as that goes this will accomplish the same thing, at a much lower price, and you can easily cut it to size:
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202015909&R=202015909#.UP66YGeYUYc

I do appreciate these points! Was wondering if anyone has experience with placing pink or other manufacturer insulating foam boards maybe stacked to add thickness, such that if you position a front firing front ported sub even with the front of the cabinet and put the foam boards around it even with the front of the cabinet so the end result would be a front baffle? Would it help with reducing resonances?
post #6798 of 7087
The chief problem is air pressure waves. I don't think any foam is going to help with that, unless you place foam underneath every possible thing that could vibrate. I would just get a sub and see what happens. If something is getting shaken, use some kind of adhesive like blu tac on it or just remove it.
post #6799 of 7087
I would really like to see new products from Outlaw... With the SVS PB1000/SB1000 and now with PSA's new 15" subs I think Outlaw needs to bring something new to the table. I have dual plus's and love them but would also like to see new products being developed.

I'd love to see an all downfiring 15" sub, a sub with dual 12s, or some sealed options.
post #6800 of 7087
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

I would really like to see new products from Outlaw... With the SVS PB1000/SB1000 and now with PSA's new 15" subs I think Outlaw needs to bring something new to the table. I have dual plus's and love them but would also like to see new products being developed.

I'd love to see an all downfiring 15" sub, a sub with dual 12s, or some sealed options.

Couldn't agree more. I have a single plus & needed to add another sub to smooth the response. So, I picked up a PB1000 that I'm going to use in a near field configuration to help with a dip I have at 40 Hz.. I would have went with another plus, but wanted something a little smaller. The SVS PB1000 should deliver in accuracy & play as deep as the plus, but won't have the same output. If Outlaw would have produced a 10" down firing configuration, I would have went with it. I know they've spent a lot of time on developing preamps here lately. So, we'll see if they revamp their sub lineup or leave it like they have it. Really do think they need to drop either the ex or plus & move on to a 10" & 15" configuration. It would make more sense to me.
post #6801 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Couldn't agree more. I have a single plus & needed to add another sub to smooth the response. So, I picked up a PB1000 that I'm going to use in a near field configuration to help with a dip I have at 40 Hz.. I would have went with another plus, but wanted something a little smaller. The SVS PB1000 should deliver in accuracy & play as deep as the plus, but won't have the same output. If Outlaw would have produced a 10" down firing configuration, I would have went with it. I know they've spent a lot of time on developing preamps here lately. So, we'll see if they revamp their sub lineup or leave it like they have it. Really do think they need to drop either the ex or plus & move on to a 10" & 15" configuration. It would make more sense to me.

Outlaw has previously sold a 10": LFM-1 Compact. Must not have sold too well for them because they discontinued them about a year or so ago.
post #6802 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Outlaw has previously sold a 10": LFM-1 Compact. Must not have sold too well for them because they discontinued them about a year or so ago.

Didn't realise that. I knew they had the M8. Well experience speaks for itself.
post #6803 of 7087
So I'm super excited today because I'll be adding an Outlaw LFM-1 Plus to my system. Been looking at craigslist two times a day for a good year-and-a-half and it finally paid off. Found a used (mint) Plus for $300 and I'm going to pick it up today.

I have multiple choices at subwoofer to use with my system now. I currently have dual Energy s10.2 running in my 7.2 system. I also have an LFM-2 currently with my PC. So that leaves me with:

-Outlaw LFM-1 Plus
-Outlaw LFM-2
-Energy s10.2 (10 inch woofer, 150 watt RMS, 600 dynamic. 23hZ-100hZ freq. response)
-Energy s10.2

I have a 2.1 system and a 7.1 system with splitters that can use multiple subs each. My PC 2.1 system only NEEDS one sub, but I can put 2 on each if needed. How would you guys split the system? I think having all 4 on my HT would be crazy cool but a little unbalanced. One that intrigues me is having the Plus in my frontstage and having one s10.2 on either side of my couch in the back. That would leave my LFM-2 with my PC and Energy RC-10s (beautiful for music).
post #6804 of 7087
Run with quads. That would be rad! cool.gif
post #6805 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

One that intrigues me is having the Plus in my frontstage and having one s10.2 on either side of my couch in the back.

I would give this a try. Only issue you may have is them not working well together with different output capabilities but it can't hurt to try and if you don't like it sell them or due something else with them.
post #6806 of 7087
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

Run with quads. That would be rad! cool.gif
If I ran all 4, how would I place them around my room? It might be weird having different output on different corners. Maybe an s10.2 in opposite corners and the Outlaws in opposite corners (with the Plus in the front corner)? I might just be willing to play around with that idea smile.gif I could at least do it on movie nights.

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Originally Posted by SupaKats View Post

I would give this a try. Only issue you may have is them not working well together with different output capabilities but it can't hurt to try and if you don't like it sell them or due something else with them.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Since I told my wife I was done buying new speakers, I think I'll just hold onto the Energy s10.2 (my Outlaws aren't going anywhere) pair since it is hard to get matching subs that are older. That way if I ever create a new system or whatever I'll have the subs.
post #6807 of 7087
You might try stacking two of the S10.3s. Colocation would give you +6db gain over one S10.3, making it easier for the two of them to keep up with the Outlaws.
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post #6809 of 7087
Cool idea! I might just do this. Before I got a matching s10.2, I had one in the front left corner of my room and my Outlaw LFM-2 in the back right corner. I might try this idea again, just this time I'd put the Plus in the front left corner and the two s10.2 in the back right.
post #6810 of 7087
Started a new job yesterday, (with 12 hour workdays on top of an hour's commute) so I wasn't able to get the sub yet. I will have it after work today though, but maybe late enough where I can't fully test it out. The man selling it says he never really used it; opened it and put about 25 minutes on the thing so it still needs to be broken in. I remember seeing LOTS of people with these subs saying it didn't sound great out of the box but after adjusting it and letting it run for a day or so it sounded better. Anything I should do to help this process along?
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