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post #6811 of 7087
I own a Plus and an EX, and run an Energy setup (RC70's, LCR, and VS surrounds), I broke my speakers in, including my Plus because I bought the EX used from another member on this forum. I just put a music channel on from Insight and went to work for two weeks before I pushed anything too hard. I didn't notice any difference with the sub, but did with my Energy's. Who's to say though, I also have both my subs on Gramma pads, and think there was a difference, to which I've been criticized before for thinking that. I am still pretty new to HT with about two years into this hobby, so I can't say with any scientific evidence. I would at some point like to see real world scientific results with equipment that measures output and room response, I just haven't gotten that far yet.

And I still need to upgrade my TV and AVR...
post #6812 of 7087
Got the sub tonight and used an LFE demo disc to test it out. Absolutely incredible! It blows my pair of s10.2 out of the water completely. I used to always say how great my subs sounded, but honestly, this sub is so much tighter (which was my main goal I was trying to achieve after already owning the very tight LFM-2), and I can feel what is happening in the scene.

I watched the "skidoosh" scene from Kung Fu Panda and it not only gave me goosebumps but my wife (who was in the next room putting our daughter to bed) yelled "Holy Crap!" which made it that much cooler. This sub is just super accurate and even makes my speakers sound better altogether. Didn't ever realize how essential good bass was.
post #6813 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Got the sub tonight and used an LFE demo disc to test it out. Absolutely incredible! It blows my pair of s10.2 out of the water completely. I used to always say how great my subs sounded, but honestly, this sub is so much tighter (which was my main goal I was trying to achieve after already owning the very tight LFM-2), and I can feel what is happening in the scene.

I watched the "skidoosh" scene from Kung Fu Panda and it not only gave me goosebumps but my wife (who was in the next room putting our daughter to bed) yelled "Holy Crap!" which made it that much cooler. This sub is just super accurate and even makes my speakers sound better altogether. Didn't ever realize how essential good bass was.

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post #6814 of 7087
well after reading all 228 pages of this thread, mine will be here at the beginning of the week. I hope it out does my klipsch sub 12 cause I am in the dog house with my wife....lol
post #6815 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Mudcon View Post

well after reading all 228 pages of this thread, mine will be here at the beginning of the week. I hope it out does my klipsch sub 12 cause I am in the dog house with my wife....lol

smile.gif which sub did you get? I just got my Plus a few days ago and absolutely love it. My wife has been on board with getting a bigger Outlaw for a while now because she liked the accuracy and punch of the much smaller LFM-2. But when I was going through with the purchase she started having cold feet......until I turned the thing on. Once she heard how low, tight and accurate it was she was just as giddy as me.
post #6816 of 7087
Has anyone combined the EX with a Klipsch RW-12D?

I was thinking of buying a second RW-12D, but now I'm wondering if I should pull the trigger on the EX or a B-Stock Rythmik LV12R, but I'm concern if these would blen well together?
post #6817 of 7087
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Has anyone combined the EX with a Klipsch RW-12D?

I was thinking of buying a second RW-12D, but now I'm wondering if I should pull the trigger on the EX or a B-Stock Rythmik LV12R, but I'm concern if these would blen well together?

You should go for it. If it doesn't blend as well as you hoped, it will be because the EX has better SQ. In which case, you'll then ready to sell the RW-12d and get a Plus or another EX biggrin.gif
post #6818 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

smile.gif which sub did you get? I just got my Plus a few days ago and absolutely love it. My wife has been on board with getting a bigger Outlaw for a while now because she liked the accuracy and punch of the much smaller LFM-2. But when I was going through with the purchase she started having cold feet......until I turned the thing on. Once she heard how low, tight and accurate it was she was just as giddy as me.

sweet, that is what I am hoping for. I got the ex.
post #6819 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Mudcon View Post

sweet, that is what I am hoping for. I got the ex.

Awesome! I came from two matching subs that were capable of getting down to 23 hZ and were rated at 160 watts RMS and 600 watts dynamic (each) and once I heard my Plus, I am NEVER going back to just those two. I might have all 3 in my system but not just them. This Plus can shake the ground, yet it is so much more accurate and can be silent. I know that might sound stupid but every other sub I've had always has sound coming out of it, most of it being muddy when no actual bass is coming through. Because of these silent moments (when it is supposed to be silent), the impact in movies is phenomenal. Hard to describe but basically when there are calm scenes or a silent moment before something jumps out to scare you, it makes those moments more surprising. Also, one example in particular where I noticed a huge improvement was in the movie Star Trek (2009). Throughout the movie when they are on a ship, my other subs would constantly hum with the sound of the ship's engines or whatever machine they were near. It could get annoying because it would overpower my speakers. Now though, the Plus still puts out the sound of the engines, but it is more feel than sound and I can still hear everything else perfectly yet the bass is perfect. You'll have to hear/feel it for yourself. smile.gif
post #6820 of 7087
Gusgus. For what its worth I've got a EX and just added a RW a couple of months ago.

For my case, my room is huge. 30x28. I plan to ad another RW soon and hopefully another EX maybe next year. So far, so good. I haven't had any issues. The RW is closer to the couch and the EX is corner loaded in max extension. I haven't watched anything that hits really low yet. Cloverfield is the only thing I had on hand that digs pretty deep and there was no noticeable grumbling from the RW. I sure it was probably huffing and puffing but I couldn't hear it.

The only thing that I've found odd was having to play with the RWs phase control. My ears and SPL meter say I've got the best sound/highest SPL at like 120??? But it bumps again at 180 so I left it there because 120 seems odd or incorrect. Otherwise the two seem to get along just fine. I need to grab Tron or something to really work them out though. But overall I've very happy with the better response I get. I hate to say it... but If I could do it over again I probably would have gotten 2 RWs for the price of the EX. I LOVE the EX, it's just my space is so dam big 4 RWs would have served MY needs better than 2 EXs. Oh well... its only money.
post #6821 of 7087
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Originally Posted by giveup813 View Post

Gusgus. For what its worth I've got a EX and just added a RW a couple of months ago.

For my case, my room is huge. 30x28. I plan to ad another RW soon and hopefully another EX maybe next year. So far, so good. I haven't had any issues. The RW is closer to the couch and the EX is corner loaded in max extension. I haven't watched anything that hits really low yet. Cloverfield is the only thing I had on hand that digs pretty deep and there was no noticeable grumbling from the RW. I sure it was probably huffing and puffing but I couldn't hear it.

The only thing that I've found odd was having to play with the RWs phase control. My ears and SPL meter say I've got the best sound/highest SPL at like 120??? But it bumps again at 180 so I left it there because 120 seems odd or incorrect. Otherwise the two seem to get along just fine. I need to grab Tron or something to really work them out though. But overall I've very happy with the better response I get. I hate to say it... but If I could do it over again I probably would have gotten 2 RWs for the price of the EX. I LOVE the EX, it's just my space is so dam big 4 RWs would have served MY needs better than 2 EXs. Oh well... its only money.

I was going to buy the EX until I was charge with shipping and I believe taxes as well, which made the price go over $750. So, I didn't order it. I ended up ordering a second Klipsch RW-12D for $299.99 + tax, for a total of $321.
post #6822 of 7087
When I got my Plus a couple weeks ago, I wasn't able to get a power cord with it. I ended up using my LFM-2 power cable, so I need to buy a 2nd one. I was thinking about buying two thicker gauge power cords (one for each of them), but I'm not real knowledgeable on power cables. Which ones should/could I get?
post #6823 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

When I got my Plus a couple weeks ago, I wasn't able to get a power cord with it. I ended up using my LFM-2 power cable, so I need to buy a 2nd one. I was thinking about buying two thicker gauge power cords (one for each of them), but I'm not real knowledgeable on power cables. Which ones should/could I get?

I'll go on the it doesn't matter side of that debate.
post #6824 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Awesome! I came from two matching subs that were capable of getting down to 23 hZ and were rated at 160 watts RMS and 600 watts dynamic (each) and once I heard my Plus, I am NEVER going back to just those two. I might have all 3 in my system but not just them. This Plus can shake the ground, yet it is so much more accurate and can be silent. I know that might sound stupid but every other sub I've had always has sound coming out of it, most of it being muddy when no actual bass is coming through. Because of these silent moments (when it is supposed to be silent), the impact in movies is phenomenal. Hard to describe but basically when there are calm scenes or a silent moment before something jumps out to scare you, it makes those moments more surprising. Also, one example in particular where I noticed a huge improvement was in the movie Star Trek (2009). Throughout the movie when they are on a ship, my other subs would constantly hum with the sound of the ship's engines or whatever machine they were near. It could get annoying because it would overpower my speakers. Now though, the Plus still puts out the sound of the engines, but it is more feel than sound and I can still hear everything else perfectly yet the bass is perfect. You'll have to hear/feel it for yourself. smile.gif


I know exactly what you mean. The was you described it would be the way I would.

Friday night I got it set up(it was a biotch getting it in the theater..lol) and ran the calibration. I put in transformers dark side of the moon and was really disappointed at first. TIL the first fight seen and I was like HOLY CRAP. When my chair started shaking I knew I have never heard that before the first 20 times watchingt the movie...lol I tweaked the setting alittle bit basically raising the gain on my receiver to -3db from -10db and it is perfect now.

And you are right my klipsch sub I always thought sounded good but now listening to this one all weekend the way you discribed it about being quite at times makes it dead on. The klipsch was alot more boomy but the outlaw ex just sounds better. I still have it with one plug in the port and havent played with taking it out yet just cause I like the way it sounds. When I go outside to smoke you can really tell a difference in how deep it really is. I would have to say it is worth the 750 I paid.
post #6825 of 7087
Oh yea, I watched star trek saturday also and I didnt notice that about the ship also. It was more like you was on the ship with real engine noise verses just a boomy noise. Also I love it right before the ship takes off or something happens and you get that one brief second of that 15hz snap that shakes the walls and your chair. FREAKING AWSOME........
post #6826 of 7087
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Originally Posted by SupaKats View Post

I'll go on the it doesn't matter side of that debate.

It has nothing to do with any debate. I just need power cables to actually power my sub. The original power cord from my LFM-2 looks pretty weak so I wanted to get a 14 gauge.
post #6827 of 7087
Monoprice has inexpensive 14 gauge power cables. I found out previously you can use the ones with the extra ground connection in the plug:
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I was curious. I found out that the IEC 13 cord would work fine with an IEC 17 receptacle. The IEC 13 has an extra ground wire option, but is otherwise the same size; the sub just won't use it. See this cord info page here in the C13/C14 and C17/C18 sections.

So basically, if anyone has an extra heavy duty PC computer power supply power cord laying around, that's a C13 that would work fine.
post #6828 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

It has nothing to do with any debate. I just need power cables to actually power my sub. The original power cord from my LFM-2 looks pretty weak so I wanted to get a 14 gauge.

I just meant just get the cheapest that will work because they don't make a difference.
post #6829 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Mudcon View Post

I know exactly what you mean. The was you described it would be the way I would.

Friday night I got it set up(it was a biotch getting it in the theater..lol) and ran the calibration. I put in transformers dark side of the moon and was really disappointed at first. TIL the first fight seen and I was like HOLY CRAP. When my chair started shaking I knew I have never heard that before the first 20 times watchingt the movie...lol I tweaked the setting alittle bit basically raising the gain on my receiver to -3db from -10db and it is perfect now.

And you are right my klipsch sub I always thought sounded good but now listening to this one all weekend the way you discribed it about being quite at times makes it dead on. The klipsch was alot more boomy but the outlaw ex just sounds better. I still have it with one plug in the port and havent played with taking it out yet just cause I like the way it sounds. When I go outside to smoke you can really tell a difference in how deep it really is. I would have to say it is worth the 750 I paid.

It is something you have to hear (and feel) to believe. Luckily for me I had an LFM-2 I already loved so I knew at least to an extent what I would be getting (same accuracy, more power and depth). If only this company would have showrooms around the country to at least show off their product... Somebody needs to compete with these crap subs being pushed by Best Buy and the like that are $400 but only have 200 watt amps and go down to 30hz...
post #6830 of 7087
^^^ The thing is if Outlaw and other ID companies would have showrooms, that would increase overhead costs and that in turn would get passed on to the customer with higher prices. This is the whole reason Internet Direct companies can offer such a great sub for a great value price. Its not that all brick and mortor store subs suck its just that to find one performance wise that will compete with a $500-$600 ID sub the B&M sub will be $800 to $1k.
post #6831 of 7087
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

^^^ The thing is if Outlaw and other ID companies would have showrooms, that would increase overhead costs and that in turn would get passed on to the customer with higher prices. This is the whole reason Internet Direct companies can offer such a great sub for a great value price. Its not that all brick and mortor store subs suck its just that to find one performance wise that will compete with a $500-$600 ID sub the B&M sub will be $800 to $1k.

I know costs would go up, but if you think about it, the increase in consumer knowledge would increase demand which might help. I can't say their current situation isn't good, but sometimes I wish I didn't have to educate EVERY guest in my home. I have yet to meet someone (other than speaker enthusiasts I meet on Craigslist or here) that don't ask me what Outlaw is or get a look on their face like they're about to hear crap. Granted, the moment the sucker turns on their doubts fly (or maybe the sub crumbles the doubts?).
post #6832 of 7087
Hello All: This unit is sweet and hearing things I never knew were even there; makes my speakers explode However, looking for some help. Trying to program the remote with Oppo 103 and Pioneer 151 codes. Please let me know since I've tried a few times by the manual and can't seem to get them working.

Thank you.
post #6833 of 7087
Referring to the 975 in my above post. Anyone?
post #6834 of 7087
just added a second plus to my setup after having my first for a few years now.
I actually had a edA200 with the plus and it was really holding the bass in the room back IMO.
When I took the ed out and put the second plus in, MAN !!!
what a difference identical Subs make !

I haven't even run Audyessy XT32 yet, just level matched the subs and let her rip !!!
going to run XT32 later this afternoon.

If you have the room for doubles or more even, there is nothing like it.

cheers
post #6835 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jenkzy56 View Post

just added a second plus to my setup after having my first for a few years now.
I actually had a edA200 with the plus and it was really holding the bass in the room back IMO.
When I took the ed out and put the second plus in, MAN !!!
what a difference identical Subs make !

I haven't even run Audyessy XT32 yet, just level matched the subs and let her rip !!!
going to run XT32 later this afternoon.

If you have the room for doubles or more even, there is nothing like it.

cheers

Good to hear. I added a SVS PB-1000 to help balance out my Plus & man do I wish I would have just spent an extra $150 to complement the Plus I already had. Don't get me wrong the SVS is a great sub from a great mfg., but it struggles to keep up with the Plus.
post #6836 of 7087
Does anyone know if the height listed, (21.5") for the Plus and EX include the feet?
post #6837 of 7087
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Originally Posted by SXRDISBEST View Post

Does anyone know if the height listed, (21.5") for the Plus and EX include the feet?

Hi SXRDISBEST, 21.5" does not include the feet on the EX.
post #6838 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jenkzy56 View Post

just added a second plus to my setup after having my first for a few years now.
I actually had a edA200 with the plus and it was really holding the bass in the room back IMO.
When I took the ed out and put the second plus in, MAN !!!
what a difference identical Subs make !

I haven't even run Audyessy XT32 yet, just level matched the subs and let her rip !!!
going to run XT32 later this afternoon.

If you have the room for doubles or more even, there is nothing like it.

cheers

I have a pair of Energy s10.2 subs and identical subs do indeed help. I swapped those for the Plus I have now, and at some point will get another Plus just to have that balanced experience.
post #6839 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Good to hear. I added a SVS PB-1000 to help balance out my Plus & man do I wish I would have just spent an extra $150 to complement the Plus I already had. Don't get me wrong the SVS is a great sub from a great mfg., but it struggles to keep up with the Plus.
Actually you could have and for $100 less...
post #6840 of 7087
A couple of days ago I was watching the new Oz movie. During the tornado scene my sub (lfm-1 compact) started making an awful noise. I don't really know how to describe the sound except that it was kind of a loud plopping or flapping sound that I'm pretty sure wasn't part of the soundtrack. I was afraid my sub was about to explode.

The volume setting on my avr (Pioneer Elite vsx-01) was at -20, which is somewhat loud, but not crazy loud in my room. The gain knob on the sub is set around the second tic mark. I don't remember what the trim level on the avr is, but I'm pretty sure the auto-calibration set it within +/-3. I don't know of any of my settings that could be the problem, but I wanted to put them in for context. My room is a medium size room (14'x20'x8') with wood floors. I don't have any acoustic treatments, but there's a large rug and multiple soft chairs that dampen the room. 99% of the time the sub handles the room to my satisfaction, but it sounded awful in that scene. It's only happened in one other movie that I can remember (council of Elrond scene in the extended ed of Fellowship from the Lord of the Rings trilogy).

Is this just a case of the sub trying to do something it's not capable of handling and overloading? Could the amp be clipping? What else could it be? Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening? Any suggestions would be appreciated. TIA.
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