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post #6871 of 7087
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

well I listen to primarily music and dual xv15's work much better than a single. my room is 2400^3 that has a 6'x7' opening to the rest of the house. However like i previously said, I like alot of bass and headroom. until he provides more information on his goals and listening habits we are both shooting in the dark.

Typically House music for me and country for the girlfriend.

I like plenty of bass but I'm limited on placement if I were to go with a dual setup. One sub in each front corner of the room on the same wall as the TV. Rest of room is all open living room / kitchen combo.

It's a 14x32 rectangle with 9ft ceilings. Seating for TV viewing is around 10ft from the TV wall, but most listening is done while walking around the main level of the home.
post #6872 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post

Typically House music for me and country for the girlfriend.

I like plenty of bass but I'm limited on placement if I were to go with a dual setup. One sub in each front corner of the room on the same wall as the TV. Rest of room is all open living room / kitchen combo.

It's a 14x32 rectangle with 9ft ceilings. Seating for TV viewing is around 10ft from the TV wall, but most listening is done while walking around the main level of the home.

I listen to alot of house music as well...that style of music has some deep bass content. that being said duals would be recomended imo....especially since you listen from different parts of the house like i do.
post #6873 of 7087
Selling my LFM-1 Plus if anybody is interested. Pick up near Chicago, my full listing is in the Audio Gear forum
post #6874 of 7087
I have a Plus in a 15'x15 front room in a very open floor plan for 90% music including some with very heavy bass. I am very satisfied, response is even enough in listening area (and very surprisingly good throughout house with not massive peaks or gaps)

The yellow lines are the border of the open room plan. The green boxes are fronts (S30's) and the larger green box with white is the sub.



I'd go for an EX and if you find response is not even enough you can add another later.
post #6875 of 7087
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post

I have a Plus in a 15'x15 front room in a very open floor plan for 90% music including some with very heavy bass. I am very satisfied, response is even enough in listening area (and very surprisingly good throughout house with not massive peaks or gaps)

The yellow lines are the border of the open room plan. The green boxes are fronts (S30's) and the larger green box with white is the sub.



I'd go for an EX and if you find response is not even enough you can add another later.

My floor plan is even more open than that.. the 14x32 room is also open to another 12x12 dining room and 10x10 entry foyer. Great for entertaining, not so great for audio.

I'm about 2 hours from the guy above so I'm picking up his Plus for now and if it's not enough I'll grab another.

Thanks for the insight everyone smile.gif
post #6876 of 7087
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Originally Posted by BB1111 View Post

Selling my LFM-1 Plus if anybody is interested. Pick up near Chicago, my full listing is in the Audio Gear forum

What are you replacing it with? Horn subs are great for large areas and open floor plans. Just a thought.
post #6877 of 7087
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Originally Posted by jcalvert86 View Post

My floor plan is even more open than that.. the 14x32 room is also open to another 12x12 dining room and 10x10 entry foyer. Great for entertaining, not so great for audio.

I'm about 2 hours from the guy above so I'm picking up his Plus for now and if it's not enough I'll grab another.

Thanks for the insight everyone smile.gif

The Plus is great. I am in an apartment with an open living room and kitchen with a 30x15 layout and it does great. I don't have as many other rooms to leak out to, but I did find when I either have my LFM-2 or Energy s10.2 hooked up it balanced the sound more. Still an EXCELLENT subwoofer though.
post #6878 of 7087
Some of you might find this interesting. The Atlantic Technology SB-900DF/SB-900 appear to be essentially the same sub as the Outlaw M8: http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=164

Looks the same, doesn't it? Read the discussion starting here. Apparently AT confirmed it.
post #6879 of 7087
Have any of you made your subs into usable surfaces? (coffee table/leg rest type things) I'm in a very small apartment and placement right now is most likely in front of a couch so I was wondering what people have done with this and what advice you have. How do you or can you "protect" it from food/possible spills, etc?
post #6880 of 7087
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Originally Posted by spddy101 View Post

Have any of you made your subs into usable surfaces? (coffee table/leg rest type things) I'm in a very small apartment and placement right now is most likely in front of a couch so I was wondering what people have done with this and what advice you have. How do you or can you "protect" it from food/possible spills, etc?

I wouldn't say that I would recommend placing food/drink on the sub. I would also not recommend it as a leg rest. Although what I have done is thrown the "bag" / cover that the sub came shipped in over top of the sub to help protect the finish on the top. I have placed house plants and other things on top to help the girlfriend tolerate the two Outlaws I have in our living space. Hope this helps.
post #6881 of 7087
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

I wouldn't say that I would recommend placing food/drink on the sub. I would also not recommend it as a leg rest. Although what I have done is thrown the "bag" / cover that the sub came shipped in over top of the sub to help protect the finish on the top. I have placed house plants and other things on top to help the girlfriend tolerate the two Outlaws I have in our living space. Hope this helps.
I have done the same with mine. It sits next to the couch in my apartment and is usually where my laptop and tv remotes get placed when not in use. I folded the bag and just placed it on top of the sub. My other speakers also serve as home to my wifi router and some 8x10 picture frames.
post #6882 of 7087
I am cross shopping the LFM-1 Plus and the SVS PB12-NSD as they both fit my dimension and port location constraints. I know very little about Outlaw, but had a nice talk with Nancy at Outlaw today and that helped, but I would like to hear from some owners on the sound and durability of the LFM-1 Plus. My room is 23' x 16' x vaulted ceiling..........Thanks in advance! smile.gif
post #6883 of 7087
The lfm-1 EX compares better to the pb12-nsd.
post #6884 of 7087
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

The lfm-1 EX compares better to the pb12-nsd.

+1

The Outlaw LFM-1 EX will have a little more output at certain frequencies, but the PB12's output is a little more linear.
post #6885 of 7087
I know but strict size constraints that are nonnegotiable make the Plus the only option.
post #6886 of 7087
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

I know but strict size constraints that are nonnegotiable make the Plus the only option.

I would get the PB12 over the Plus.
post #6887 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I would get the PB12 over the Plus.

+1
post #6888 of 7087
Thanks guys for your replies, I ended up going a totally different route with a PSA SX15.
post #6889 of 7087
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

Thanks guys for your replies, I ended up going a totally different route with a PSA SX15.

Definitely different as a sealed sub, but also a good choice smile.gif
post #6890 of 7087
Just watched Star Trek: Into Darkness for the first time in my home. The LFM-1 Plus performed ADMIRABLY. There is a lot of bass in this movie and watching with a sub so acurate like the Plus was just a treat to behold!
post #6891 of 7087
If I wanted to run multiple 2200 mono blocks, and had limited plug space, if there something I can use to power them reliably? I know some surge protection has "high" current plugs, but I'm limited there too. Could I run the 3 amps off say a 4 plug Tripp lite Isobar ultra strip?

Thanks.
post #6892 of 7087
What is the significance of the Fourth-order Linkwitz–Riley crossovers used in the Plus and EX subwoofers? Is there an advantage? Are they used in HSU or SVS or Rythmik subwoofers?
post #6893 of 7087
4th order is 48db per octave roll off high pass filter...so there is basically no extension past the tuning point of the sub. if your room was offering decent room gain the 4th order would not allow it to be utilized compared to a sub with a 3rd order(24db per octave) crossover. Say you have a sub with 18hz tuning point, with 48db roll off, it would be lucky to reach 15hz...however with 24db the sub may reach 12hz depending on room gain.
post #6894 of 7087
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4th order is 48db per octave roll off high pass filter...so there is basically no extension past the tuning point of the sub. if your room was offering decent room gain the 4th order would not allow it to be utilized compared to a sub with a 3rd order(24db per octave) crossover. Say you have a sub with 18hz tuning point, with 48db roll off, it would be lucky to reach 15hz...however with 24db the sub may reach 12hz depending on room gain.

4th order is 24dB per octave. It's in multiples of 6dB. 48dB per octave is actually 8th order filter
post #6895 of 7087
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Originally Posted by braveheart123 View Post

4th order is 24dB per octave. It's in multiples of 6dB. 48dB per octave is actually 8th order filter


yep you are correct...thats what I get for posting when I just woke up. smile.gif
post #6896 of 7087
So for a ported subwoofer it is better to have a 4th order (24 db) roll off and for sealed a 2nd order (12 db) roll off?
post #6897 of 7087
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Originally Posted by ainsworth View Post

So for a ported subwoofer it is better to have a 4th order (24 db) roll off and for sealed a 2nd order (12 db) roll off?

Not necessarily. My PSA XV15 is supposed to have a 10dB/octave roll off, so it has a lot of output below its tuning point. By comparison, the SVS PB12-NSD has a 4th order HPF combined with a 4th order natural roll off, which results in a 48dB/octave roll off below tune (according to Josh Ricci). As a result, its response falls off a cliff below 20hz. It's hard to say which of these is "better", as there are pros and cons to both. You have to balance the benefits of deeper extension with the downside of increased distortion below tune and the increased potential for chuffing.

Sealed subs don't have port issues to worry about, and most are designed to roll off at 10-12dB/octave beginning at 30hz. Most rooms will have room gain of 10-12dB/octave starting at 30hz, which brings the sub back to flat below 30hz.
Edited by tenderchkn - 9/29/13 at 4:33pm
post #6898 of 7087
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Originally Posted by tenderchkn View Post


Not necessarily. My PSA XV15 is supposed to have a 10dB/octave roll off, so it has a lot of output below its tuning point. By comparison, the SVS PB12-NSD has a 4th order HPF combined with a 4th order natural roll off, which results in a 48dB/octave roll off below tune (according to Josh Ricci). As a result, its response falls off a cliff below 20hz. It's hard to say which of these is "better", as there are pros and cons to both. You have to balance the benefits of deeper extension with the downside of increased distortion below tune and the increased potential for chuffing.

Sealed subs don't have port issues to worry about, and most are designed to roll off at 10-12dB/octave beginning at 30hz. Most rooms will have room gain of 10-12dB/octave starting at 30hz, which brings the sub back to flat below 30hz.

 

The XV15 does not have a 10db/octave rolloff. It's more like a 4th order rolloff as well. See link below:

 

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/1797/files/XV15_FR.jpg?1160

 

18hz is the tune. Looks like it is at ~82db at 18hz. At 10hz, it is at 62db. This is a 20db difference. If it would have been measured at 9hz for the full octave, it would likely be very close to 24db, or 4th order.

post #6899 of 7087
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

yep you are correct...thats what I get for posting when I just woke up. smile.gif

I knew it was typo smile.gif
post #6900 of 7087
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Originally Posted by tleavit View Post

I finally pulled the trigger on a 1 Outlaw LFM-1 EX. My plan is to buy another in a few months. Do you guys think I should stack the 2 or place them in different locations in my HT?


This bad boy will go nice with my 7 Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks

I posted this back on page 2 something like 7 years ago and fast forward today. I now have tens of thousands (literally) of hard hours on these items and they are still running strong like new today, not a single issue with any of them ever. They just run!
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