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post #7021 of 7087
He'll, I'm just glad to see this thread getting a little action at this point. It seems all the other threads I follow, people talk about nothing but SVS and Hsu subs. If I'm not mistaken the Outlaws were essentially engineered by Hsu anyway. Although, if I had the $$$$ I'd go for a beastly dual 15" or 18" monsters, just to see if I could knock my GF's pictures off the wall upstairs:D

In the famous words of Public Enemy "Bass...how low can you go..."biggrin.gif
post #7022 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Since these subs will be on wood floors, does it matter which mode I run the subs in? Right now I have both ports open and the room is around 3400-3500 cubic feet. The new room is about 2500 cubic feet.

Doesn't matter...I went back and forth between the modes and ended up with Max Extension. If you hear port noise then go with Max Output...it is all good! smile.gif
post #7023 of 7087
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

He'll, I'm just glad to see this thread getting a little action at this point.

I agree...smile.gif

I love/loved my Outlaw subs but I wanted/needed more and Outlaw has nothing else to offer other than 12" ported subs. I sold one of my subs to another forum member and I was a little sad when I dropped it off at UPS...the Outlaw subs were my first "real" sub....I am down to one (had four) Outlaw sub and it's in my 800cf media room.

I might have a problem as I am a few weeks away from (8) DIY 18" subs in my main 3000cf theater room. eek.gif
post #7024 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I might have a problem as I am a few weeks away from (8) DIY 18" subs in my main 3000cf theater room. eek.gif

WOW eek.gifeek.gif
post #7025 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I might have a problem as I am a few weeks away from (8) DIY 18" subs in my main 3000cf theater room. eek.gif

Que es mas macho - Un Bandido LFM-1 EX o ocho 18" DIY's?

Looking forward to reading your comparo...
post #7026 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

WOW eek.gifeek.gif

I know...tongue.gif

I know this is an understatement but the sub system is effortless at the moment...

(5) Stereo Integrity 18" subs behind the false wall.
(2) Mach 5 UXL-18 subs currently being built for mid-wall placement.
(1) RE Audio 18" sub in a HUGE 25cf ported box tuned to 11.5Hz in the rear of the room.
post #7027 of 7087
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

Que es mas macho - Un Bandido LFM-1 EX o ocho 18" DIY's?

Looking forward to reading your compare...

It is not about being more male...it is about reproducing the full bandwidth of LFE at reference level...maybe you are making a joke?

There is no comparison...a single EX sub to eight 18" drivers...confused.gif
post #7028 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I know...tongue.gif

I know this is an understatement but the sub system is effortless at the moment...

(5) Stereo Integrity 18" subs behind the false wall.
(2) Mach 5 UXL-18 subs currently being built for mid-wall placement.
(1) RE Audio 18" sub in a HUGE 25cf ported box tuned to 11.5Hz in the rear of the room.
That setup will crush the quad ex's by a lot! Looks like you have dabbed into the DIY world. Best bang for your buck there. If you don't know tuning by now, you will learn for sure. Good luck man.
post #7029 of 7087
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

I've got both my Outlaws on Auralex risers.

When I purchased my EX used from a member here, he threw in the riser with it. I bought another for the Plus I already owned. Does it make a difference? Who knows? For $50, it's worth a shot.

Don't get me wrong, and most (probably more knowledgeable people here), have said on paper it doesn't make a difference and has no effect. It is what it is. For a minimal investment, it's worth a shot to see if it makes a difference to YOUR ears. If you purchase and don't enjoy, PM me, I'll take it off your hands for $30. wink.gif

I'll keep that in mind. What size did you buy? I looked very quickly and didn't see a size that would fit the EX.
post #7030 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

Doesn't matter...I went back and forth between the modes and ended up with Max Extension. If you hear port noise then go with Max Output...it is all good! smile.gif

Thanks, I tried the ME for awhile and didn't hear any port noise but it was on carpet (not sure if that makes a difference). I guess I'll just have to do some playing around.
post #7031 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Looks like you have dabbed into the DIY world.

Yep...I have gone over to the dark side. My system is mild compared to the heavy hitters in the DIY forum.

Erich @ DIY Sound Group has brought a lot of us over to DIY with his super easy kits...IKEA for speakers and subs! smile.gif
post #7032 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

Yep...I have gone over to the dark side. My system is mild compared to the heavy hitters in the DIY forum.

Erich @ DIY Sound Group has brought a lot of us over to DIY with his super easy kits...IKEA for speakers and subs! smile.gif
I use to be all over in that forum until is decided to go JTR. I actually built a THT and I was a monster for the price. I think I might have spent 500 on the driver amp and wood and it crushed my dual plus's that I had before. I wanted the single digit Hz that the THT could not produce so that is when I bought the Captivator s2.
post #7033 of 7087
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...so that is when I bought the Captivator s2.

You can't go wrong with JTR stuff...cool.gif
post #7034 of 7087
Except trying to carry it up the stairs. It weighs almost 200lbs and showed me how out of shape I have become. Made me so sad because I played sports all my life into my mid twenties. frown.gif
post #7035 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

Yep...I have gone over to the dark side. My system is mild compared to the heavy hitters in the DIY forum.

Erich @ DIY Sound Group has brought a lot of us over to DIY with his super easy kits...IKEA for speakers and subs! smile.gif

I have done my best to avoid getting pulled into that. Those kits just make it easy to build awesome subs, don't they? smile.gif
post #7036 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

Yep...I have gone over to the dark side. My system is mild compared to the heavy hitters in the DIY forum.

Erich @ DIY Sound Group has brought a lot of us over to DIY with his super easy kits...IKEA for speakers and subs! smile.gif

Website?
post #7037 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I have done my best to avoid getting pulled into that. Those kits just make it easy to build awesome subs, don't they? smile.gif

Yes...very easy and I am very lucky to live in the same town as Erich.
post #7038 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Website?

www.diysoundgroup.com
post #7039 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

www.diysoundgroup.com

Thanks.

Uhh, I'm going to be in trouble... eek.gif
Edited by Randall.White - 2/10/14 at 7:41pm
post #7040 of 7087
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

Que es mas macho - Un Bandido LFM-1 EX o ocho 18" DIY's?
Looking forward to reading your comparo...

It is not about being more male...it is about reproducing the full bandwidth of LFE at reference level...maybe you are making a joke?
There is no comparison...a single EX sub to eight 18" drivers...confused.gif

Joke, si! Ref: Saturday Night Live skit: Bill Murray: "¿Quién es más macho? Fernando Lamas or Ricardo Montalban?"
Only with subs...

A single 12" versus eight 18 inchers is like Bambi versus Godzilla.
post #7041 of 7087
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

I'll keep that in mind. What size did you buy? I looked very quickly and didn't see a size that would fit the EX.

Auralex Gramma isolation riser. It will fit the EX, just barely.
post #7042 of 7087
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I agree...smile.gif

I love/loved my Outlaw subs but I wanted/needed more and Outlaw has nothing else to offer other than 12" ported subs. I sold one of my subs to another forum member and I was a little sad when I dropped it off at UPS...the Outlaw subs were my first "real" sub....I am down to one (had four) Outlaw sub and it's in my 800cf media room.

I might have a problem as I am a few weeks away from (8) DIY 18" subs in my main 3000cf theater room. eek.gif

I'm in the Northern KY area, and would love to hear/feel what 8 monsters like that is like! PM me if you ever need company, and I will be happy to bring the beer!
post #7043 of 7087
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

I'm in the Northern KY area, and would love to hear/feel what 8 monsters like that is like!

You got it! smile.gif

I love giving demos to AVS Forum members...the last two subs should be finished around the end of this month and I'll need a little time in get them to play nice...maybe early March. I hope all of this bloody ice is gone by then! I will send you a PM when everything is sounding good...
post #7044 of 7087

So, my LFM-1 EX arrived a few days ago. Placement options are limited but I tried a few and opted to not corner load it. It is just off center on the right side of the room closer to the back where we site. Will have to play around with some other options later but for now I am pretty happy with the placement. I can't find any major nulls in my room and the listening area seems to have a good response.

 

Impressions of the sub are overall very good. I am running it as it arrived in max extension mode and love how deep it gets. I do miss the punchy bass that my PB-1000 would dish out though. Gunfire is a prime example, the PB-1000 would hit me in the chest with gunfire while there is not much being done by the LFM at these frequencies. I understand that I will get more output at these frequencies if I switch to max output but will it really be that noticeable? Most people prefer to run the sub in extension mode so I feel like that is where I should keep it. I'm assuming this sub just will not deliver that punchy bass as it is a downward firing 12" while the PB-1000 is a forward firing 10". 

 

I will probably run it in ME mode for a week or two then make the switch to see what I prefer. After hearing the sub 20Hz stuff coming through on U-571 and War of the Worlds, I feel like I will really miss it in Max Output mode though!

 

One final question, I have the dial on the subwoofer amp set to right around 2 (not 2 O-clock) and my receiver calibrated the sub level right at 0dB. I like to run my sub a little hot so am I ok adjusting my subwoofer level on the receiver up a couple dB or should I use the dial on the actual sub amp? I do not want to introduce any type of distortion.

 

Cheers!

post #7045 of 7087
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Originally Posted by djkail View Post

So, my LFM-1 EX arrived a few days ago. Placement options are limited but I tried a few and opted to not corner load it. It is just off center on the right side of the room closer to the back where we site. Will have to play around with some other options later but for now I am pretty happy with the placement. I can't find any major nulls in my room and the listening area seems to have a good response.

Impressions of the sub are overall very good. I am running it as it arrived in max extension mode and love how deep it gets. I do miss the punchy bass that my PB-1000 would dish out though. Gunfire is a prime example, the PB-1000 would hit me in the chest with gunfire while there is not much being done by the LFM at these frequencies. I understand that I will get more output at these frequencies if I switch to max output but will it really be that noticeable? Most people prefer to run the sub in extension mode so I feel like that is where I should keep it. I'm assuming this sub just will not deliver that punchy bass as it is a downward firing 12" while the PB-1000 is a forward firing 10". 

I will probably run it in ME mode for a week or two then make the switch to see what I prefer. After hearing the sub 20Hz stuff coming through on U-571 and War of the Worlds, I feel like I will really miss it in Max Output mode though!

One final question, I have the dial on the subwoofer amp set to right around 2 (not 2 O-clock) and my receiver calibrated the sub level right at 0dB. I like to run my sub a little hot so am I ok adjusting my subwoofer level on the receiver up a couple dB or should I use the dial on the actual sub amp? I do not want to introduce any type of distortion.

The fact that the PB-1000 is front firing and the EX is down firing is not relevant to whether or not the PB-1000 delivered punchy bass. Slightly (or greatly) different placement in your room and/or the particular native response of the two subs are the influential factors.

Max Output mode will change the frequency response of the sub a little. It might give you what you are looking for. You should try it and make your own determination since everyone's personal tastes and rooms are different. If you do try it, you should rerun your receiver calibration.

Yes. You should adjust the receiver calibration, not the gain on the sub amp.
post #7046 of 7087
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


The fact that the PB-1000 is front firing and the EX is down firing is not relevant to whether or not the PB-1000 delivered punchy bass. Slightly (or greatly) different placement in your room and/or the particular native response of the two subs are the influential factors.
 

 

Could it be more to do with the 10" driver VS a 12"? Originally I placed the LFM in the same position I had the PB-1000.  

post #7047 of 7087
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Originally Posted by djkail View Post

I like to run my sub a little hot so am I ok adjusting my subwoofer level on the receiver up a couple dB or should I use the dial on the actual sub amp.

Yes, increase the sub channel gain in your AVR. Two dB is a trivial increase however. Try bumping it up around 7 - 8 dB. That should provide the powerful low end that you're looking for.

Ensure that your AVR has configured your speakers as "Small" and set the crossovers to 80 Hz, assuming your mains go down that low.
post #7048 of 7087
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Originally Posted by djkail View Post

Could it be more to do with the 10" driver VS a 12"? Originally I placed the LFM in the same position I had the PB-1000.  

It's a different sub with a different native frequency response curve, which is a combination of the driver and the enclosure design.

Update: And the DSP in the PB-1000 which affects the frequency response.
Edited by cel4145 - 2/16/14 at 7:36am
post #7049 of 7087
FYI, Outlaw has B-Stock LFM-1 Plus for $499 shipped.
post #7050 of 7087
For that price I would get the SVS PB-1000 new and it has a dsp. I had a chance to hear the PB-2000 subs and they surprised the crap out of me! They were excellent sounding and I have owned dual outlaw plus's and there was no competition between the two. They are super clean sounding and dig really deep for a ported sub.
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