PS3 to get DVD upscaling by end of the week - Page 2  

Guys, even if the PS3 adds upscaling capability, that does not necessarily mean it will suddenly be an excellent SD DVD player. According to Secrets, "The PS3 has no film-based de-interlacing support. It is essentially locked in video mode the entire time, so as the cadence changes, resolution is compromised." This has nothing to do with the lack of upscaling, and unless Sony fixes this problem as well, upscaling will not "solve" its fundamental weakness as an SD DVD player.

Exactly. My A2 does my upconverting. Though I haven't watched a Standard DVD for awhile.

If they add upscaling, it will not be able to be output on component. DVD licensing expressly forbids upscaled output of DVDs on component outputs. HDCP must be applied, which means HDMI only.

So we would end up in the ridiculous situation where we can watch blu-ray in 1080i over component, but not the lower rez but upscaled DVD.

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Is that an issue with the HD DVD upconverting players?

Not available over component?

This isn't an issue for me (hdmi only), but that would add a lot of complexity to having a family member play a movie. Especially since you can't use a universal remote with it (generally speaking).

Why do I get the feeling the end of the week is going to come and go with no firmware update?

That's how it is with HD-DVD as well: 720p or 1080i over component for HD-DVDs, but no upscaling of SD DVDs over component. IMO, that's not a big deal.

Gee, by some calendars, it's the end of the week already.

Some parts of the world it almost Saturday

If they were to add upscaling, they could make it a configurable capability to not impact those with component only.

Lesson: put "rumour" in thread title if it is a rumour.

Yep - though given that the scaling and de-interlacing are both likely to be software processes then there is no reason why interlacing can't be improved as well as scaling added.

As someone who watches quite a lot of 50i video sourced material on my PS3 the permanent video mode de-interlacing mode has an advantage. I find cheap de-interlacers that flip between crude film-weave and video-bob modes really annoying when they get confused on cuts between film and video (which are routine and frequent in many UK TV shows shot in the 70s and 80s) or even on static or slow-moving video sequences - and you get combing on video for a brief period.

Sony (and all other brands) will never allow upscaling over component, thanks to the studios.

Isn't it the end of the week?

Someone commented that they werent sure why the lack of qulity PS2 game playback would affect someones decision to buy the PS3.

Its pretty simple, at the moment there are only a few games imho on the PS3 that are worth owning so the vast majority of my PS2 games still get played on a regular basis.

That said it would be nice to be able to do away with my PS2 after buying a PS3, I think alot of folks would like to do the same. Overall what keeps me from buying a PS3 is the lack of what I would consider quality software available at this point and the lousy PS2 playback certainly doesnt help.

For me its just not worth the money yet and poor PS2 performance is a big part of why it isnt.

I will be happily buying one, just not quite yet.

I would actually play my PS2 games more often if they were scaled up to 720p because they look horrible on the PS3 for some reason. I already gave away my PS2 to someone more needy. I hope this really happens. As far as the PS3 games that I have, I have gotten spoiled with the HD picture.

I *NEVER* understood why you can't upconvert without HDCP. It makes zero sense.

It's like getting water from a stone. No matter how much you squeeze it, you aren't going to get something that isn't there. In the case of upconversion, it makes the picture a little smoother, but you aren't magically getting more out of the picture since it's just scaling from 720x480i.

What are they worried about? Someone upconverting a DVD and selling it on pirate HD DVD or Blu-ray discs? That makes zero sense.... especially when you consider that my grandmother could figure out how to rip a DVD.

I'm with you. It was always about penalizing the consumer in a misguided attempt to stop the pirate. That's why I got one of those funky chinese DVD players that upconverts over component.

It's because Macrovision doesn't work in HD. The idea is that Macrovision prevents capturing the analog video stream in SD, so they have to disable analog HD output because Macrovision isn't there to protect it. Of course you can just strip the Macrovision when making a copy, but that requires the "illegal" use of de-CSS, rather than the legally accepted analog capture. As for analog output of true HD sources, they have ICT but haven't used it yet because it would be counter-productive at this time.

I don't watch DVDs on my PS3, but I still would like upscaling so that, hopefully, the 4:3 extras on BDs will be displayed properly (no stretching) without having to manually change the projector to 4:3 mode.

Absolutely. If the decoding and de-interlacing are done badly, then it will make little difference whether the subsequent scaling is done in the source or the display. It will still look poor.

Nick

Nope

False rumor...AGAIN!

I´m not trusting ANY more threads like this ever again if it´s not CONFIRMED.

Just face it, we won´t se upscaling, 1080p/24 or anything like that for a LONG time, if ever

Come on Sony!

I've pretty much learned to have that attitude when it comes to other things as well, like video games and BD movie releases that are "in the works" and coming out several months from now. I've just gotten burned too many times by delays and cancellations that I try to only pay attention to what's been officially announced and is slated for 2-3 months ahead.

The insider's thread suggests a firmware update IS coming in the next few weeks with significant bug fixes and new features, but nothing specific was stated, save that DTS MA would not be included in it. The good news was that Sony is studying DTS MA.

Source was paidgeek; hope I didn't misparaphrase anything. Oddly, I found the link to the insider's thread with that info at HTF.

What firmware version are you running? They had a fix for that in 1.5 or 1.6

I'm at 1.7 firmware. I just want 720p to get a sharper picture with less jaggies in the older games. I was playing Max Payne 2 because I got it new for $5 and it looks really bad. I know that the PS3 processor can correct these issues, they just need to flip the switch and get it going.

DVD upscaling is coming to PS3 very, very soon. It won't be in fw 2.0, but before that.

I need to get with the program.... I think I am on Firmware version 1.3.........

How do you know this? Source?

Insider. Can't say anything more.

i won't believe

I don't need to convince you. The forthcoming fw upgrade will.