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post #211 of 469
I understand the concern about sweet spot size. It takes away from the feeling of being enveloped in the music if you move a little and the sound changes noticeably. Some of my own observations....my Focus SE's are spaced about 9.5 ft. apart and I sit about 12-13 feet from the them. Toe-in is such that the left speaker is aimed directly at the person sitting to my left and similarly on the right. My observations are that these 3 seats all image very well. Of course, the center is best but the difference is small. Vertically, my head can be centered anywhere from about 3-5 feet without much noticeable change. So, in my configuration the sweet spot is about 4 feet wide and 2 feet tall. Keep in mind that "sweetness" is subjective and I am being conservative in my estimation. All that said, I never find myself wishing for a larger sweet spot, and in the sweet spot the soundstage is huge with excellent imaging.

I recently listened to the Whisper XD's with Legacy LA dealer James, as I was considering upgrading and eventually will. I was concerned that Whisper would have a noticeably reduced sweet spot and this would take away from the listening experience a little. This was not the case at all. The Whisper has a smooth off-axis response, and while they are more directional than the Focus SE in midrange and bass they sound very natural. The imaging with the Whisper is like nothing I've ever heard. It was just silly easy to imagine the performers right there in front of you. Vocals were never larger than life (unless they were mixed that way), but sounded like they were coming from a very specific location. Same with instruments, and sounds that were recorded with panning effects were a delight to visualize moving around the room. Dynamics were insane - they made me realize that yes, my Focus SE's have limitations. The Whispers' low midrange / upper bass was more resolved than the Focus SE as I observed more texture in male voices, drums and other sounds in this frequency range. Bass didn't seem as independent of the room as I was expecting, but this can always be tailored with the Xilica processor.

Cheers,
Matt
post #212 of 469
Great review Matt, I agree with everything you said about the Focus SEs and the XDs.

Thanks for posting the link to the Whisper imaging on YouTube, James. That's a great, informative video. I saw it a while back, but seeing and hearing it again makes me want Whispers all over again!
post #213 of 469
NEW LEGACY AUDIO SIGNATURE SE REVIEW at Home Theater Review:

Brian Kahn has posted a review of the Legacy Audio Signature SE loudspeakers ($5995/pair) at HomeTheaterReview. Some of his conclusions:

“Despite their small footprint, the Signature SEs provided deep, powerful and clean bass. This held true even with the less powerful integrated amplifiers. I left the bass level trim switch in the neutral position. Even though the -2dB position was probably more accurate in my room, I liked the bass. The Signature SEs performed fine with the integrated amplifiers, but also benefitted from the additional resolution of the McIntosh separates".

"The midrange was extremely clean and natural. Voices were naturally resolved and easily identifiable as distinct, even within a group of vocalists. Likewise, instruments remained distinct. Working our way up the frequency range to treble, the Signature SEs’ character remained in place. The slight thinness I heard in the upper midrange when playing back stringed instruments was slight and not noticeable in all but the most critical of listening. The ribbons provided extended and detailed treble that significantly betters that of earlier ribbon designs once break-in was completed".

"Overall, it is hard to find fault with the Signature SEs. They are attractive to look at and even nicer to hear. In comparison to the other speakers I have on hand, which range from twice to four times as expensive, the Signature SEs held their own. There were areas where the other speakers excelled, but even given the large price discrepancy, the differences were relatively small. If I were putting up my hard-earned money, I would take a close look at the Legacy Audio Signature SEs.”

You can read the full review at this link: HomeTheaterReview Legacy Audio Signature SE Review 8/27/2012
post #214 of 469
This is a great thread, full of pictures, information, and feedback. Keep 'em comin'!
post #215 of 469
Legacy Audio To Introduce New AERIS Speaker System and New AMT Tweeter

Some of you may have noticed a Legacy ad in Stereophile recently showing an "Air Motion" Tweeter - but no explanation with it.... Well, here's the story!

It turns out that Bill Dudleston has developed a new advanced design Air Motion Tweeter that he will be premiering in a brand new Legacy model called AERIS at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, coming up Oct. 12-14 in Denver.

The AERIS will fit in the lineup somewhere between the Focus SE and the Whisper speakers. Price has yet to be determined...



Bill says the new AMT Tweeter is an improvement in both sound and design. It's made from all new ribbon tweeter elements - a 4" ribbon tweeter, and a 1" ribbon super tweeter. The new tweeter elements are built into a single faceplate, which will eliminate the overlapping design of the current models.

The new AMT Tweeter will initially be used in the AERIS, but will soon be incorporated into the Whisper XD, Focus SE, and Signature SE speakers as well. Legacy tells me that they are working on a possible upgrade program for current Signature SE / Focus SE / Whisper XD owners who wish to upgrade, but the details are not finalized, so don't call yet!!! Legacy will notify dealers when its ready - Its likely that some baffle routing and crossover changes will be required. It is unknown at the moment whether the upgrade will be able to be done in the field, or require a trip back to the factory.

Taken from the Press Release:

The AERIS system is the first to use LEGACY’s new dual Air Motion tweeter (an advanced AMT design) with high power handling and high efficiency, and a titanium particle coated 8” midrange with an enormous motor structure imported from Italy. The bottom end is highlighted by a 10” midbass and dual 12” subwoofers with a linear volume displacement of nearly 200 cubic inches.

The bass section is powered by 750 watts of ICEpower® amplification and offers exceptional extension to 16Hz. The included 24-bit DSP includes balanced and unbalanced analog inputs and outputs, level control, and both SPDIF coaxial and USB inputs. The elegant design employs a 2.25” thick baffle with 2” side walls. The upper portion of the speaker cabinet is open air dipole for fast decay of mid-bass frequencies and airy spacious highs.
Meticulous craftsmanship displays options such as a leather laminated baffle, carbon fiber laminated base with a facetted front and sculpted sides.

About developing the AERIS, Bill Dudleston said:
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“…it gave me the opportunity to tool a new AMT folded ribbon tweeter to integrate with the smoothest, high efficiency 8” midrange built to date. I have yet to find a driver to challenge it. This silky 8” mid has a range of 7 octaves with nary a wrinkle in the response, yet a sensitivity of 98 dB. My initiative of providing a 4” AMT that could compliment these capabilities was met with the challenge of accordion-folding 16 square inches of Kapton into the 4” long, 1” wide chamber. Neodymium again was employed to provide the flux density required. But the solution was made even more elegant by mounting the new 4” ribbon on the same faceplate as its complementary 1” AMT ribbon super-tweeter. The results were more uniform dispersion and tremendous attack. Treble now had weight instead of tizz. A natural fullness in the treble is exhibited, reminding us why we love high-end audio so much.”

AERIS Specifications:
Frequency Range: 16-30 kHz, Sensitivity: 95 dB (@2.83 volts/1m)
Upper cabinet dimensions: 58” h x 14.5” w x 16” d
Base dimensions: 1”h x 19” w x 15” d (cabinet sets into base)
Edited by DMark1 - 10/3/12 at 12:55pm
post #216 of 469
Holy Rocky Mountain High, Batman!! Wasn't planning to attend RMAF, but it might be worth it, just to check the Aeris out. That baby out to be the master of slam!
post #217 of 469
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Holy Rocky Mountain High, Batman!! Wasn't planning to attend RMAF, but it might be worth it, just to check the Aeris out. That baby out to be the master of slam!

Hi Mtrot,

The RMAF is the largest consumer audio show in the country at the moment.

If you do go to the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, Legacy Audio will be in the EVERGREEN BALLROOM A, and will be demo-ing the following speakers at the Show.

* Aeris
* Focus SE
* Signature SE
* Classic HD
* Expression HD


Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2012
Date: 10/12/2012 to 10/14/2012

Venue:
Denver Marriott Tech Center
4900 S Syracuse St
Denver, CO 80237

Show Hours:
Friday: 12pm-6pm
Saturday: 9am-6pm
Sunday: 9am-4pm
post #218 of 469
I will be there Friday and Saturday unless something unexpected happens at work. Last year rack manufacturer Dynamic Contrasts had a pair of Focus SE powered by a BMC C1in a room and I fell in love with the Focus SE. I liked the dual analog and digital power meters on the amp too. I am hoping he is there with that setup again this year.
post #219 of 469
Hi Larry, Please stop by the Legacy room (Evergreen Ballroom A), and post your impressions of the Aeris and other speakers here on the Forum for the rest of us!

Be sure to say Hi to Bill Dudleston and Doug Brown, and let them know you saw the Aeris on AVS. Enjoy the Show!
post #220 of 469
AVS- I thought you might like to see the first photographs of AERIS!

post #221 of 469
I need to win the lottery....those look great!
post #222 of 469
7211 straight and box.
post #223 of 469
James, are all the drivers open baffle??? Its hard to tell if that black back panel is a grill or solid....

I'm assuming the woofers are sealed or ported, and the transition mid-woofer and mid are open baffle?

Have you heard the AERIS yet?
post #224 of 469
The upper section, 8" midrange and 10" mid-bass, is open air dipole for fast decay of mid-bass frequencies.
More details will be coming soon!
post #225 of 469
Of course I will be spending a lot of time listening to the Legacy speakers this weekend!
As an aside, you know people that can afford $100,000 stereos drive some pretty cool cars, the Marriott lot will be full of beautiful cars this weekend.
post #226 of 469
Did anybody hear Legacy at RMAF this past weekend? I haven't seen a single mention of it online.
post #227 of 469
Yes, Michael Fremer tweeted it and there is tons of photos.. Google RMAF2012
post #228 of 469
Thanks Bill. I saw the pics, looking for comments on the sound of the new dual AMTs, but just crickets
post #229 of 469
It most likely is better and now another reason to audition them ;-)
post #230 of 469
Absolutely! Can't wait to hear the new Focus when it comes.

edit: Here's some commentary on the Legacy demo. But not specifically about the treble SQ.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110633.msg1142554#msg1142554
Edited by richidoo - 10/15/12 at 10:57am
post #231 of 469
Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity just posted a great review of the Classic HD and Metro sub.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/floor-standing-speakers/floor-standing-speakers-reviews/legacy-classic-hd.html
post #232 of 469
That is a great review. Amazing low distortion measurements. Those silver graphite cones are excellent.

Stereomojo has some RMAF coverage, and will have first crack at Aeris review.
http://www.stereomojo.com/Rocky%20Mountain%20Audio%20Fest%202012%20Show%20Report/RockyMountainAudioFest2012ShowReport1.htm
Edited by richidoo - 10/24/12 at 9:49am
post #233 of 469
Any full reviews of the Expression towers and Silverscreen Center?
post #234 of 469
Originally posted in the Latest News Forum....

Legacy Audio Introduces New Tech at Giant Screen Digital Theater

This theater sounds pretty amazing. I just wish I lived near it!


From Legacy Audio press release...
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(Springfield, IL) Legacy Audio introduces the new doubleHelix audio system for state-of-the-art cinemas and large screen theaters. The system was recently installed at the Peoria Riverfront Museum in Peoria, Illinois which is scheduled to open this week. The Peoria Riverfront Museum’s two-hundred seat Giant Screen Digital Theater boasts a 70 x 52 ft screen and a 4k projector (4096 x 2160 pixels) that beams through a custom glass projectionist window that measures approximately 10 feet

The Peoria Riverfront Museum’s two-hundred seat Giant Screen Digital Theater boasts a 70 x 52 ft screen and a 4k projector (4096 x 2160 pixels) that beams through a custom glass projectionist window that measures approximately 10 feet across. “The theater represents a unique opportunity to pull out all the stops in the audio and video presentation,” says Zdi, Inc.® CEO, Aaron McArdle. Zdi, Inc. is the system design integrator for the museum. Global Immersion, a UK company, is providing all the video solutions.

Let's learn about the audio system...
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The audio system reaches beyond conventional theaters, and is designed by sound engineer Bill Dudleston of Legacy Audio. It will provide up to 20 steerable sound locations and will be powered by 42 channels of amplification offering 14,000 watts. The system will utilize Dirac room compensating software hosted by the Datasat AP20 digital processor, which compensates for room reflections and provides system crossover and equalization.

The doubleHelix technology was first utilized in a custom system built for legendary record producer L.A. Reid of Epic Records, X-Factor, Arista, UMG fame. The loudspeaker system is unique to this theater installation. It features five 3 x 5 x 1.5 ft Legacy doubleHelix splayed along the seventy foot long platform, located some 30 feet above the floor. The Giant Screen Digital Theater will also exploit 14 surround loudspeakers and an overhead loudspeaker in the shape of an inverted, truncated pyramid that projects sound to all viewers. This speaker will provide continuity in ambience and add drama to flyover effects.

Moving on to the technology...

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Evolving cinema technologies from studios such as Dreamworks® and Pixar® are raising the expectations of theater sound. Reacting to this challenge, companies such as Legacy Audio are now providing systems with more channels of playback and more convincing immersion experience.

According to Legacy Audio President and Chief Designer, Bill Dudleston, “The doubleHelix is unique in that it offers wideband directivity control. The large cabinets are dipolar in nature (open to the sides) which helps to focus the lower midrange and upper bass range, and provide a longer acoustic throw. This improves intelligibility and allows the off-center seated listener to hear the more distant channels adequately. The special driver array also reduces undesirable bass droning and overhang.”

Each of the five doubleHelix in the front of the theater employs four internal 500 watt ICEpower® amplifiers to drive the digitally steered channels. Included in the system are fourteen identical side and rear channel speakers and an exclusive centrally located overhead channel. The overhead speaker is in the shape of a truncated inverted pyramid with separate speaker components on each of the facets. Total system power in the Peoria Riverfront Museum exceeds 14 kilowatts and meets stringent efficiency requirements.

A little bit about the Peoria Riverfront Museum...
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You’ll find the industrious city of Peoria amidst the prairies of central Illinois – about 150 miles north of where the majestic Illinois and Missouri rivers converge on the great Mississippi. The riverfront city is the international home of Caterpillar Inc., a significant contributor to the P.R.M. project, which broke ground in September of 2010.

About LEGACY Audio...
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For three decades, LEGACY Audio has handcrafted some of the finest loudspeakers available. The quality standard is the same for our flagship commercial doubleHELIX system as our Studio HD bookshelf system. Our speakers are renowned for established reference level performance in home theater and audiophile settings.

For further information, please visit our website: www.legacyaudio.com or contact Victoria Dudleston at info@legacyaudio.com. Legacy is a registered trademark of Acoustic Avenue, Inc. All companies aforementioned operate independently with all rights reserved.

Who else wishes they lived near this place? Or better yet, who does live near it?!
post #235 of 469
Thank you for posting our press release, AVS. The system is based around the doubleHelix- those interested, can find more information here.
post #236 of 469
Audioholics.com just posted a great interview by Gene DellaSala with Bill Dudleston, Founder and Chief Designer at Legacy Audio. I've provided the review below, or you can click the link above to view it on Audioholics.

I found this interview fascinating, especially the parts about driver design, speaker construction, and reference measurements and testing. Great stuff!!!
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Legacy Audio Interview with Bill Dudleston
by Gene DellaSala — last modified November 12, 2012

We managed to sit down with Bill Dudleston, founder of Legacy Audio for a one-on-one interview about his brand and loudspeaker designs that have garnered so much industry respect over the years. This was a particularly exciting interview for me as I’ve been watching Legacy Audio evolve since my teenage years dreaming one day of owning a pair of their finely crafted speakers. Their core philosophy and no-nonsense approach to loudspeaker design has always resonated with me and has been a personal inspiration to learn more about the art and science of loudspeaker design.

Audioholics: Give us a background of Legacy Audio and how you got into designing loudspeakers...
post #237 of 469
That's some great information. Very much looking forward to their review of the Focus, especially with the new tweeters . . .
post #238 of 469
Folks, does anyone have any information on how the two 10-inch Dayton Audio RS270 woofers that are used in the Signature SE compare quality wise to the two 12-inch Aurasound woofers that are used in the Focuse SE? According to my research, the Dayton's cost around 1/5 of the price when compared to the Aurasound's (arund $90.00 compared to $500.00 or so on a retail basis). I am torn between the Classic HD and Signature SE. I audtioned both, and the Classic HD's appear to have a more detailed and punchy midrange, but lacked the detail and clarity in the upper frequency from the AMT of the Signature SE. Are the two 8-inch drivers from the Classic HD of a better quality than the two Dayton 10-inch woofers from the Signature SE? I wish that the AMT was available in the Classic HD, as this would solve my dillema. Debating between a Signature SE or Classic HD pair to go along with a Silverscreen HD and Deco to be used as side surrounds. Alternatively, I also loved the Monitor Audio GX300 towers, which would pair up with a GX350 center and GXFX surrounds. The ribbons on the MA GX also sound really open, airy, and bright/clear with a really wide soundstage.

PS: As I understand it, the AMT and 7 inch/8 inch drivers are Legacy's proprietary design, so I wonder why they selected to use the Dayton Audio RS270 in the Signature SE for the 10-inch drivers, versus perhaps using their own proprietary design.
Edited by addictaudio - 11/24/12 at 2:58am
post #239 of 469
^^^ Since many Legacy buffs may have gone away for the Holiday, I wanted to bring this back up in hopes that someone may have some insight to the above. Thanks.
post #240 of 469
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Originally Posted by addictaudio View Post

Folks, does anyone have any information on how the two 10-inch Dayton Audio RS270 woofers that are used in the Signature SE compare quality wise to the two 12-inch Aurasound woofers that are used in the Focuse SE? According to my research, the Dayton's cost around 1/5 of the price when compared to the Aurasound's (arund $90.00 compared to $500.00 or so on a retail basis). I am torn between the Classic HD and Signature SE. I audtioned both, and the Classic HD's appear to have a more detailed and punchy midrange, but lacked the detail and clarity in the upper frequency from the AMT of the Signature SE. Are the two 8-inch drivers from the Classic HD of a better quality than the two Dayton 10-inch woofers from the Signature SE? I wish that the AMT was available in the Classic HD, as this would solve my dillema. Debating between a Signature SE or Classic HD pair to go along with a Silverscreen HD and Deco to be used as side surrounds. Alternatively, I also loved the Monitor Audio GX300 towers, which would pair up with a GX350 center and GXFX surrounds. The ribbons on the MA GX also sound really open, airy, and bright/clear with a really wide soundstage.
PS: As I understand it, the AMT and 7 inch/8 inch drivers are Legacy's proprietary design, so I wonder why they selected to use the Dayton Audio RS270 in the Signature SE for the 10-inch drivers, versus perhaps using their own proprietary design.

Hi Addictaudio,

First, let me say that Bill D. Is an absolute fanatic when it comes to selecting drivers for Legacy speakers, so I'm sure that he thinks very highly of the Dayton RS270 for it's given job in the Signature SE. Bill always uses the best drivers he can find within the parameters of a speakers' price point, and he is constantly testing new drivers. I own a set of 3 Signature SEs, and they sound terrific, with strong and detailed bass performance down to 22 Hz in my room.

I have heard the Classic HDs, and they are excellent for the price, however, the Signature SE is a definite step up, and worth the extra money to get the new AMT tweeters.
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