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post #391 of 469
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Actually, since this is the Legacy Audio thread, it would be more accurate to say the XPA-1's are 1000watts@4ohms and the XPR-1's are 1750watts@4ohms.


Max

You could say that, too. Conditioning leads one to think of 8 ohms, as that's the lead spec usually given for amps. But it would have been more complete to list both 8 and 4 ohm measurements. Thanks.
post #392 of 469
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Actually, since this is the Legacy Audio thread, it would be more accurate to say the XPA-1's are 1000watts@4ohms and the XPR-1's are 1750watts@4ohms.


Max

You could say that, too. Conditioning leads one to think of 8 ohms, as that's the lead spec usually given for amps. But it would have been more complete to list both 8 and 4 ohm measurements. Thanks.
No offense or sarcasm intended.

As an old school sound reinforcement nut AND an owner of the Focus SEs and Emotiva XPA-1's, it just happened to be the way I viewed them for Legacy Audio speakers.

The Focus SEs have a spec'ed power handling of 500watts@4ohms. From sound reinforcement days, I always prefer amplifier overhead to handle dynamics and transients cleanly so double the power is nice.

If I thought of the XPA-1's as 500 watt amps, and the XPR-1's as 1000 watt amps, I would unquestionably go for the XPR-1's. Since LA speakers are 4ohm loads though, the 1000watts the XPA-1's push at 4 ohms works great.


Max
post #393 of 469
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

No offense or sarcasm intended.

As an old school sound reinforcement nut AND an owner of the Focus SEs and Emotiva XPA-1's, it just happened to be the way I viewed them for Legacy Audio speakers.

The Focus SEs have a spec'ed power handling of 500watts@4ohms. From sound reinforcement days, I always prefer amplifier overhead to handle dynamics and transients cleanly so double the power is nice.

If I thought of the XPA-1's as 500 watt amps, and the XPR-1's as 1000 watt amps, I would unquestionably go for the XPR-1's. Since LA speakers are 4ohm loads though, the 1000watts the XPA-1's push at 4 ohms works great.


Max

No offense taken, really. You pointed out something that is useful and specific to Legacy or any other 4 ohm speaker. I generalized. My current speakers are 6 ohm, so I would look at either spec and know the Emotivas are plenty. I'd need to be careful with the volume, but that's it. The XPRs would be overkill for me, though, so I'd look at the XPA-1s. Either should drive the Legacys.
post #394 of 469
I am new to all this and I have just been getting into audio gear. Still have a lot to learn and hopefully with everyone's help here I can grow in knowledge in the audio field. I have some questions for you all, I have been looking at the Focus SE speakers for a while now. I currently have Definitive Technology 7002's right now for my fronts and a clr 3000 for my center channel, surrounds are BPVX/P all ran by a Mcintosh MX121 and the amp is MC8207. I was just wondering if the Focus SE's and the Marquis HD along with Phantom HD would kill what I have now? Would it sound way better? I know the speakers have got excellent reviews by all and they would be great for two channel! I watch a lot of movies but listen to music also. Just wanted everyone's thoughts. Thanks so much!!
post #395 of 469
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Originally Posted by larry7995 View Post

Kris - I noticed you are using the Emotiva XPR-1 to power the Legacy Focus SEs. I was at another site and they were just slamming Emotiva, are you still ok with them?
I noticed there are XPA-1s at Amazon for $999 and XPR-1s at Emotiva for $1499, I wonder about the difference in models. I am getting ready to head over to RMAF and listen to some equipment today!

I'm sure there are those that would slam the Emo stuff due to cost just as there would be those that would slam the Legacy's for the same reason (I say this because I've had the situation happen on both cases). Their loss. The XPR1s sound fantastic with the Focus and I've been nothing but ecstatic with the performance in every regard.
post #396 of 469
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Originally Posted by MJV29 View Post

I am new to all this and I have just been getting into audio gear. Still have a lot to learn and hopefully with everyone's help here I can grow in knowledge in the audio field. I have some questions for you all, I have been looking at the Focus SE speakers for a while now. I currently have Definitive Technology 7002's right now for my fronts and a clr 3000 for my center channel, surrounds are BPVX/P all ran by a Mcintosh MX121 and the amp is MC8207. I was just wondering if the Focus SE's and the Marquis HD along with Phantom HD would kill what I have now? Would it sound way better? I know the speakers have got excellent reviews by all and they would be great for two channel! I watch a lot of movies but listen to music also. Just wanted everyone's thoughts. Thanks so much!!

Yes, IMHO, the Focus SE / Marquis / Phantom combination will slam the Def Techs. The Legacies have much more piston area, and are just way better quality all around. I always have liked Def Techs for their pricepoint, but seriously, they don't hold a candle to the Focus SE / Marquis / Phantom combo you are considering. This would be a very serious upgrade for you.

The Legacies will work nicely with your McIntosh gear too. I hope you go for it! :-)
post #397 of 469
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Originally Posted by DMark1 View Post

Yes, IMHO, the Focus SE / Marquis / Phantom combination will slam the Def Techs. The Legacies have much more piston area, and are just way better quality all around. I always have liked Def Techs for their pricepoint, but seriously, they don't hold a candle to the Focus SE / Marquis / Phantom combo you are considering. This would be a very serious upgrade for you.

The Legacies will work nicely with your McIntosh gear too. I hope you go for it! :-)

Absolutely agree. IMNSHO the Legacies will destroy the Def Techs. Not even close.

We welcome you to the Legacy fold with open arms biggrin.gif

All is forgiven once you abandon the Def Techs...
post #398 of 469
Thanks so much for all the opinions!! I am definitely looking towards getting some Legacies in the future!! smile.gif
post #399 of 469
Hey Kris,

Are you still planning on revealing more of your thoughts in more detail about the Focus SE and the rest of your Legacy system? Looking forward to reading about it. Thanks.
post #400 of 469
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Originally Posted by MJV29 View Post

I am new to all this and I have just been getting into audio gear. Still have a lot to learn and hopefully with everyone's help here I can grow in knowledge in the audio field. I have some questions for you all, I have been looking at the Focus SE speakers for a while now. I currently have Definitive Technology 7002's right now for my fronts and a clr 3000 for my center channel, surrounds are BPVX/P all ran by a Mcintosh MX121 and the amp is MC8207. I was just wondering if the Focus SE's and the Marquis HD along with Phantom HD would kill what I have now? Would it sound way better? I know the speakers have got excellent reviews by all and they would be great for two channel! I watch a lot of movies but listen to music also. Just wanted everyone's thoughts. Thanks so much!!

The ideal scenario, I think, would be if you can find a dealer who sells both brands and get a demo, even if not with Mac gear. The theory could become reality that way, and you'd have a stronger sense of what you prefer.
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Thanks prepress, my intentions are to go and hear the Legacy's for myself real soon. smile.gif That way I get to hear them and have a feel for what they can do! Thanks for the input!
post #402 of 469
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Originally Posted by MJV29 View Post

Thanks prepress, my intentions are to go and hear the Legacy's for myself real soon. smile.gif That way I get to hear them and have a feel for what they can do! Thanks for the input!

You're welcome. There is also the new Definitive Technology Mythos ST-L SuperTower. It might be interesting to put that up against the Focus SE, as it's Def Tech's latest. The 7000 series appears to be discontinued. The 8080 would be the next logical comparison, as I understand they represent an upgrade over the 7000 series.

Without ever having heard them live, but over the internet only, I know the Focus SE is killer. I'm not familiar with the new Mythos, I just learned of it myself. Auditions will be key. But if you do find a dealer who has both Def Tech and Legacy, go for it!
Edited by prepress - 11/11/13 at 3:40am
post #403 of 469
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post


You're welcome. There is also the new Definitive Technology Mythos ST-L SuperTower. It might be interesting to put that up against the Focus SE, as it's Def Tech's latest. The 7000 series appears to be discontinued. The 8080 would be the next logical comparison, as I understand they represent an upgrade over the 7000 series.

Without ever having heard them live, but over the internet only, I know the Focus SE is killer. I'm not familiar with the new Mythos, I just learned of it myself. Auditions will be key. But if you do find a dealer who has both Def Tech and Legacy, go for it!

Different leagues bro. I'm very familiar with the Mythos ST, as I pined over that speaker for years (including countless trips to Magnolia and Gramophone to demo) before discovering AVS.   The ST's don't even come close, and I'm 100% sure your current Mirages would blow them away.  The GoldenEar Triton Two's might get you a little closer, but not by too much. The new ST-L is a great performer, I'm sure, but still not in the Focus SE league man!  Not even in the same sport! 

post #404 of 469
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Different leagues bro. I'm very familiar with the Mythos ST, as I pined over that speaker for years (including countless trips to Magnolia and Gramophone to demo) before discovering AVS.   The ST's don't even come close, and I'm 100% sure your current Mirages would blow them away.  The GoldenEar Triton Two's might get you a little closer, but not by too much. The new ST-L is a great performer, I'm sure, but still not in the Focus SE league man!  Not even in the same sport! 

With my inscrutable nature wink.gif and general philosophical bent I'm not prepared to agree, even though I suspect you're right smile.gif. The Mythos ST-L is an upgrade over the ST, with everything better than before. DT has re-thought the whole Mythos thing and come up with something that, according to them, betters the previous models in pretty much every way. How that would compare to the Focus isn't clear, though as I said, I suspect the Focus is better. Like any good detective though, I'd go through the process even if I'm all but convinced of the result.

The other thing is if an audition can be had with Mac gear, since that's what MJV29 has. I see a good match between Legacy and McIntosh. Unlike Hall and Oates, I could go for that!
post #405 of 469
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Different leagues bro. I'm very familiar with the Mythos ST, as I pined over that speaker for years (including countless trips to Magnolia and Gramophone to demo) before discovering AVS.   The ST's don't even come close, and I'm 100% sure your current Mirages would blow them away.  The GoldenEar Triton Two's might get you a little closer, but not by too much. The new ST-L is a great performer, I'm sure, but still not in the Focus SE league man!  Not even in the same sport! 
Just thought I'd mention, back before I got the Focus SEs, I was using Boston Acoustics E100's for Mains (they're my surrounds now). I was curious abut what else was out there and the GE T2's were receiving all these rave reviews from all the magazines, so I decided to audition them to see what I might be missing out on. I auditioned them 3 separate times at 2 different dealers. The conclusion? I kept my E100's as the T2's did NOTHING better than the E100's and in fact, were worse in some areas.

The T2's image well (but weren't really any better than the E100's in this respect), but need to be toed in at the MLP to do so. When setup that way, they have a very narrow sweet spot. The FR is somewhat uneven on-axis (which is what dominates with them toed-in). I was curious about the highs using the Heil folded ribbon, but the E100's gave up nothing in the mids and highs. The funny thing was, the E100's powered either by my Onkyo 5008 avr in bridged mode or especially by the XPA-1's had lower frequency extension than the GE T2s and could thump a whole lot better than the GE T2's. One of the dealers had the T2's built-in powered woofers turned up too hot, and while this made the bass louder, it was not very well controlled and colored any male vocals (which is why I told that dealer to calibrate and measure the system before going back for a 2nd audition at that location). As I said, after auditioning them 3 times at 2 different dealers, I ended up keeping my E100's (and now take magazine reviewer's gushing over a new toy with liberal ladles of salt).

I eventually got around to auditioning the Focus SEs when looking for speakers that at the very least, matched the E100's AND could play even louder (i.e. higher sensitivity) for placements at further seating distances than the 10' I was using the E100's at. The Focus SEs managed to do this handily. The truth is, although the Focus SEs have a slightly smoother measured FR than the E100's, the E100's don't really give up much if anything in the mids and highs, and even the bass, but the Focus SEs DO play flat down to lower frequencies (~20Hz in-room vs ~32Hz measured with REW). And although the E100's with the XPA-1's could play at THX Reference at 10' without compression, they began showing compression when turning it up past Reference SPL (which I would have needed at greater seating distances). The Focus SEs greater sensitivity means they easily and effortlessly play louder than the E100's.

One thing I did notice though, although the Focus SEs have a smoother measured frequency response, it appears that Bill voiced these to have a near flat in-room response, which I find a little odd. In my room, speakers with a flat anechoic response naturally tend to produce a tilted in-room response, i.e. the frequency response naturally slopes downwards about 10-15db from 30Hz to 20kHz. This tendency holds true with most in-home rooms (i.e. not auditorium sized). The Harman preferred listener frequency response tests indicate that listeners don't perceive a flat FR as flat. They perceive a measured flat response to be anemic in the lower octaves and find a tilted response to be perceptually flat.

Since I use Audyssey XT32 Room EQ (which automatically calibrates for a flat FR), this doesn't make much difference, but for folks who prefer to listen to their speakers in Direct mode with no EQ, this is something to consider, as I find that I also prefer a tilted FR for music.

Dennis,
since you work with Bill, maybe you could mention this to him as something to consider (building the speakers towards a flat anechoic as opposed to flat in-room frequency response)? If you DO mention it to him, could you also ask him if there's a way to modify the crossovers in the Focus SEs to achieve that while swapping out the old planar ribbon for the new dual folded ribbon tweeters?


Max
Edited by djbluemax1 - 11/11/13 at 5:14pm
post #406 of 469

Max, I share a very similar story with the Triton Two's.  At the time I was using Klipsch RF-82's (w/ an RC62 center channel) and although the Triton Two's did highs better than the Klipsches, the Midrange and low end were done better in my Klipsch speakers.  This baffled me, because the towers actually had built-in subwoofers--but I thought about it...a subwoofer is just an active woofer, which means the amp is just a lot closer to the drivers than in a passive system.  But, I say that to say--I agree with your Triton assessment 100%.  I did that demo in 2011, and I kept my Klipsches until December 2012.  I had the funds ready to buy the Tritons (which is what I went to the store to do), but my ears didn't tell me I needed to. 

post #407 of 469
BrolicBeast, you have the Focus SEs still? I only live a few hours away from Springfield so I am going to visit the store and give a listen to them when I can. I guess I should take my equipment with me when I go? Will they even let me do that?
post #408 of 469
Hi y'all -

Very curious out Legacy after reading this forum. Anyone in Arizona / Phoenix area who has Legacy's they'd be willing to let me audition?

I was at RMAF (first time this year) but didn't check Legacy out. So far I am pretty happy with recently acquired Joseph Audio Pulsars...very smooth, musical, and liquid. But I'd like more dynamics and lower reach, and the Sig SEs sound about the right size/price point. Anyone have experience with Joseph Audio as well to offer a comparison?

Thanks!
post #409 of 469
Has anyone here gone through Morrow Audio to get their Legacy Speakers? I am not near a showroom and wonder how dealing with them is as there doesn't seem to be no return option when you purchase through them.
post #410 of 469
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Originally Posted by MJV29 View Post

BrolicBeast, you have the Focus SEs still? I only live a few hours away from Springfield so I am going to visit the store and give a listen to them when I can. I guess I should take my equipment with me when I go? Will they even let me do that?

It varies with the store, perhaps, but if they don't sell Mac gear first ask them if it's okay to do that, if you're willing to schlep your gear there. Otherwise, be sure they know what you have and perhaps they'd hook up something with a similar sound to Mac gear. At the very least, be sure you take your own music, with which you're very familiar, to any audition. I've always done that. And if you can use your own speaker cable or interconnect, that would be helpful too, if you have to listen on unfamiliar electronics.
post #411 of 469
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Originally Posted by Dermott View Post

Has anyone here gone through Morrow Audio to get their Legacy Speakers? I am not near a showroom and wonder how dealing with them is as there doesn't seem to be no return option when you purchase through them.

I've wondered about this as well. I just have this(yes, perhaps paranoid) concern that the units that Morrow sells may be somehow inferior, perhaps B-stock or something. Also, does anybody know if you can trade in Legacy speakers at Morrow?
post #412 of 469
So no feedback (positive or negative) on Morrow Audio? I believe this is the only online retailer listed on the Legacy site for approved dealers. Given that there are not many places to actually hear/see these speakers, I'm surprised that more people have not tried to purchase through Morrow. Hmmmm.
post #413 of 469
Full Disclosure - I am an Authorized Legacy Audio Dealer in Lancaster PA (Markley Home Entertainment)

OK, I'll jump in here.... Legacy Audio does not really want dealers just "selling boxes" through a discount e-commerce website. That business model may be fine for commodity items, but not for high end audio.

Since Legacy is a respected high end brand, they strongly encourage dealers to cultivate full service relationships with their customers, to make sure the customer experience is excellent, and to help customers purchase the right speaker for their needs. Legacy does not believe that an e-commerce website is the best way to do this, which is why they refer inquiring customers to their closest dealers in many cases.

But, unfortunately, some customers are not located close enough to a dealer to travel for a proper audition. I will say that any good Legacy dealer will work with you to find the perfect speaker for your needs, and most (I can't speak for all) will work with you when trading in any Legacy product for a newer, upgraded Legacy speaker. Legacy's return rates are below 1%, so we don't run into many returns... ;-)
Edited by DMark1 - 11/26/13 at 11:40am
post #414 of 469
Hello Mark, could you please quote me a Metro sub to my door in 2013 prices and any potential price escalation for 2014. I was going to order one in Jan.2014 and was wondering any prices changes.

I believe you still have my email address. Thanks

Andre Spits
post #415 of 469
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Originally Posted by Andre58 View Post

Hello Mark, could you please quote me a Metro sub to my door in 2013 prices and any potential price escalation for 2014. I was going to order one in Jan.2014 and was wondering any prices changes.

I believe you still have my email address. Thanks

Andre Spits

Hi Andre! Good to hear from you. I will send you a quote by email shortly.

For everyone's benefit - I just spoke to the factory, and if you are contemplating a Legacy Audio purchase, it would definitely be in your best interest to place your order before December 31, 2013... *wink, wink*....

Dennis Markley
post #416 of 469
Is this normal activity for selling Legacy Audio? I thought one had to go through a dealer or direct from Legacy?

What gives?
post #417 of 469
Dennis is a dealer.
post #418 of 469
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Dennis is a dealer.

And your point is? Is he (Dennis) near the intended client? Is there another dealer closer to Andre58? If not, why doesn't Andre58 order directly from Legacy? Does anyone check this out before Dennis sends a sub directly to someone's house?

Legacy has always been factory direct until recently.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but this looks slightly shady to me.

Am I the only one who feels this way?
post #419 of 469
I don't think it looks shady. Dennis is a authorized dealer for Legacy that is answering questions here on the forum. If someone wants to find out purchase info or even get info for a dealer in the area, Dennis tries to help. No one is saying anyone has to buy from Dennis directly. I'm sure Dennis would be happy to help someone find a dealer close to them so they could audition if they want to. I know there are several people in this forum that have auditioned speakers with Dennis and purchased from him with no issues or regrets and I know that Legacy is aware of Dennis considering they've been in touch with me directly after talking with Dennis.
post #420 of 469
Thanks Kris. :-)

Big Ant, I think there was some confusion here... Andre is already a Legacy customer of mine that I worked with before. In this case, he just posted his request for a price on the Metro subwoofer on the forum instead of through a private message or an email. I responded to him privately with pricing. I am an authorized dealer, so there is nothing "shady" going on. I help answer questions here on the forum, and some AVS members buy their Legacy gear through me. I have also referred members to their local Legacy dealer, if they have one nearby. Legacy has also referred nearby customers to me too. One reason Legacy is building their dealer network is to allow prospective customers to audition speakers near them, which has always been an issue throughout their factory direct only days.
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