Originally Posted by BrolicBeast
Different leagues bro. I'm very familiar with the Mythos ST, as I pined over that speaker for years (including countless trips to Magnolia and Gramophone to demo) before discovering AVS. The ST's don't even come close, and I'm 100% sure your current Mirages would blow them away. The GoldenEar Triton Two's might get you a little closer, but not by too much
. The new ST-L is a great performer, I'm sure, but still not in the Focus SE league man! Not even in the same sport!
Just thought I'd mention, back before I got the Focus SEs, I was using Boston Acoustics E100's for Mains (they're my surrounds now). I was curious abut what else was out there and the GE T2's were receiving all these rave reviews from all the magazines, so I decided to audition them to see what I might be missing out on. I auditioned them 3 separate times at 2 different dealers. The conclusion? I kept my E100's as the T2's did NOTHING better than the E100's and in fact, were worse in some areas.
The T2's image well (but weren't really any better than the E100's in this respect), but need to be toed in at the MLP to do so. When setup that way, they have a very narrow sweet spot. The FR is somewhat uneven on-axis (which is what dominates with them toed-in). I was curious about the highs using the Heil folded ribbon, but the E100's gave up nothing in the mids and highs. The funny thing was, the E100's powered either by my Onkyo 5008 avr in bridged mode or especially by the XPA-1's had lower frequency extension than the GE T2s and could thump a whole lot better than the GE T2's. One of the dealers had the T2's built-in powered woofers turned up too hot, and while this made the bass louder, it was not very well controlled and colored any male vocals (which is why I told that dealer to calibrate and measure the system before going back for a 2nd audition at that location). As I said, after auditioning them 3 times at 2 different dealers, I ended up keeping my E100's (and now take magazine reviewer's gushing over a new toy with liberal ladles of salt).
I eventually got around to auditioning the Focus SEs when looking for speakers that at the very least, matched the E100's AND could play even louder (i.e. higher sensitivity) for placements at further seating distances than the 10' I was using the E100's at. The Focus SEs managed to do this handily. The truth is, although the Focus SEs have a slightly smoother measured FR than the E100's, the E100's don't really give up much if anything in the mids and highs, and even the bass, but the Focus SEs DO play flat down to lower frequencies (~20Hz in-room vs ~32Hz measured with REW). And although the E100's with the XPA-1's could play at THX Reference at 10' without compression, they began showing compression when turning it up past Reference SPL (which I would have needed at greater seating distances). The Focus SEs greater sensitivity means they easily and effortlessly play louder than the E100's.
One thing I did notice though, although the Focus SEs have a smoother measured frequency response, it appears that Bill voiced these to have a near flat in-room response, which I find a little odd. In my room, speakers with a flat anechoic response naturally tend to produce a tilted in-room response, i.e. the frequency response naturally slopes downwards about 10-15db from 30Hz to 20kHz. This tendency holds true with most in-home rooms (i.e. not auditorium sized). The Harman preferred listener frequency response tests indicate that listeners don't perceive a flat FR as flat. They perceive a measured flat response to be anemic in the lower octaves and find a tilted response to be perceptually flat.
Since I use Audyssey XT32 Room EQ (which automatically calibrates for a flat FR), this doesn't make much difference, but for folks who prefer to listen to their speakers in Direct mode with no EQ, this is something to consider, as I find that I also prefer a tilted FR for music.Dennis,
since you work with Bill, maybe you could mention this to him as something to consider (building the speakers towards a flat anechoic as opposed to flat in-room frequency response)? If you DO mention it to him, could you also ask him if there's a way to modify the crossovers in the Focus SEs to achieve that while swapping out the old planar ribbon for the new dual folded ribbon tweeters?
MaxEdited by djbluemax1 - 11/11/13 at 5:14pm