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post #1111 of 1467
I'll be using a Gemstone 200wpc X 7 with XLR
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Just curious, who here is going to use a different amp than the Denon POA with their AVP? And will it be connected via XLR?

I'm using a Krell FPB-300 for my mains and a Krell KAV-1500 for the center and all surrounds.

All channels are XLR.
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Full list at $7k.

Ouch, I'm allergic to MSRP, it makes me sickly feeling.


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Wow!! That is going to be one killer setup! Once you get everything, we want to see some pix.

Thanks, the speakers are Focal Electra 1037BE, CC1000BE, SR1000BE (SBR, SBL) 1007BE (SL, SR) going to run 300W to LCR, then the other 4 channels to the rears. Add to that the Velodyne 1812 sub and I hope I will have no regrets I sure spent more money than I ever imagined I would have.

Wife is supporting but insists in reminding me "This all started with you wanting to replace a subwoofer and receiver"

I even extended some credit which I don't like to do on hobby stuff to the tune of 20K (12 months no interest or payments) so I really have to calm down for the next year in spending.
post #1114 of 1467
Still no word here in the UK. My dealer said towards the end of Feb, and we are not at the end yet so I'm being patient until then.

I'll send him another email though!
post #1115 of 1467
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Originally Posted by pers1 View Post

Hi
I talked to my dealer and my unit is sett to arrive March 10th according to his system.
First it was february 25th, the May 5th, then a week ago it was March 18th and today March 10th.....

I hope the last date is the right one!!!!!!! Since it`s the first unit ordered in Scandinavia!!


PerS
http://minhjemmekino.no/meridian861

It sounds like the guy is throwing darts at the Calendar.
post #1116 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Just curious, who here is going to use a different amp than the Denon POA with their AVP? And will it be connected via XLR?

I certainly haven't decided on the AVP since my HT is 6+ months away. But most definitely I won't be getting the POA because it lacks power for my needs. At this point I'm considering the Bryston 7B-SST (600wpc into 8 ohms, 900 into 4 ohms) or even higher-powered pro amps, perhaps Crown MacroTech, maybe bridged MA1202 or MA2402 units.

If someone could convince Denon to put out some high powered amps in the near term, that would be great.
post #1117 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I'm using a Krell FPB-300 for my mains and a Krell KAV-1500 for the center and all surrounds.

All channels are XLR.


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Originally Posted by nethomas View Post

I'll be using a Gemstone 200wpc X 7 with XLR

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Originally Posted by syswei View Post

I certainly haven't decided on the AVP since my HT is 6+ months away. But most definitely I won't be getting the POA because it lacks power for my needs. At this point I'm considering the Bryston 7B-SST (600wpc into 8 ohms, 900 into 4 ohms) or even higher-powered pro amps, perhaps Crown MacroTech, maybe bridged MA1202 or MA2402 units.

Very cool guys! Some excellent amps you all have there, or in syswei's case soon to have amps. Bryston 7B-SST(900 watts @ 4 ohms, wow!). What kind of speakers will you be using syswei?

I'm using a Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature-Series II (850W x 5@4 ohms) all XLR. Looks like I'm hot on your heels in the watts per channel department syswei.



Seth
post #1118 of 1467
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Originally Posted by GoodSonics View Post

It sounds like the guy is throwing darts at the Calendar.

No doubt
post #1119 of 1467
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

Ouch, I'm allergic to MSRP, it makes me sickly feeling.

Yeah I also do NOT like full MSRP.


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Thanks, the speakers are Focal Electra 1037BE, CC1000BE, SR1000BE (SBR, SBL) 1007BE (SL, SR) going to run 300W to LCR, then the other 4 channels to the rears. Add to that the Velodyne 1812 sub and I hope I will have no regrets I sure spent more money than I ever imagined I would have.

I hear ya! With me it first was the big Sony 70 XBR2, then a Toshiba XA2, then a Sony BDP-S300, now a Denon AVP, next a Panasonic BD50. Once we all start we just can't help ourselves.

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Wife is supporting but insists in reminding me "This all started with you wanting to replace a subwoofer and receiver"

Ha ha!! That's too funny!

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I even extended some credit which I don't like to do on hobby stuff to the tune of 20K (12 months no interest or payments) so I really have to calm down for the next year in spending.

Same here, after the Denon AVP and Panasonic BD50 are in place I'm also gonna have to cool it for a while. Well at least for a couple of months anyway.


Seth
post #1120 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post


Same here, after the Denon AVP and Panasonic BD50 are in place I'm also gonna have to cool it for a while. Well at least for a couple of months anyway.


Seth


Lets see....... Naaaaa, you don't get off that easy, upgradeitus is both terminal and contagious and it can not be denied. Because it's all a planned as a vicious circle, of which there is no easy escape. And not even Dr. Phil can help...

Something new will probably come out, or be changed in some way that you will really really want to have, and probably within the next year. So figure about 6 months or so should be about the right time for Denon to come out with something like a AVP MKII version like they did with the 5805, and so that they can also offer people the "MKII upgrade" for the AVP. If for no other reason than just to keep people happy and buying something..


Or as Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, "Well it just goes to show you, it's always something"...
post #1121 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Very cool guys! Some excellent amps you all have there, or in syswei's case soon to have amps. Bryston 7B-SST(900 watts @ 4 ohms, wow!). What kind of speakers will you be using syswei?

I'm using a Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature-Series II (850W x 5@4 ohms) all XLR. Looks like I'm hot on your heels in the watts per channel department syswei.



Seth

Actually you're way ahead of me since I haven't bought anything yet! (The room isn't even designed, just in the thinking stage, but researching equipment online is kind of a hobby.) Fronts being considered are the Revel Studio2 / Voice2, but I haven't auditioned anything yet. Rears/sides TBD but might go with inwalls or if I decide to go crazy, Revel Gem2; will definitely get more mid-priced, pro amps for rears/sides.
post #1122 of 1467
My new Denon will be connected to my Nad25 power amp which outputs to Focal electra 1027be, 2xprofile 908sw,1xAaron HCC 600 centre and 1xAaron HSS 600 surrounds.
post #1123 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Just curious, who here is going to use a different amp than the Denon POA with their AVP? And will it be connected via XLR?

Greetings--I have been lurking here for some time in an effort to obtain info about a decent high end pre/pro which the high end brands seem to be avoiding the manufacture of and was hoping that Pioneer Elite would split the pre/pro off of their new high end receiver that is about to become reality since the circuitry of the amp is separate than that of the pre, but word from my dealer is that is not gonna happen which brings me to the new pre/pros from Denon and Marantz (both owned by the same company as owns McIntosh).

IF IF IF I end up with the Denon pre/pro (awaiting reviews before spending $7K on a badly needed new pre/pro), I would, instead of using the Denon POA, be using three McIntosh MC501 monos and two McIntosh MC352 stereo amps for my mains and surrounds.

It is unlikely that I would use XLR's.

MikeSp
post #1124 of 1467
Does anyone know if rack mounts or ears currently exist for this piece? Maybe they come with it? Anyhow, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
post #1125 of 1467
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

IF IF IF I end up with the Denon pre/pro (awaiting reviews before spending $7K on a badly needed new pre/pro), I would, instead of using the Denon POA, be using three McIntosh MC501 monos and two McIntosh MC352 stereo amps for my mains and surrounds.

It is unlikely that I would use XLR's.

MikeSp

I'm also using a pair of MC352's for sides and rears..curious as to why you wouldn't go XLR..??
post #1126 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Just curious, who here is going to use a different amp than the Denon POA with their AVP? And will it be connected via XLR?

I`m going to use the Chapter Audio Amplifiers
http://www.chapteraudio.com/documents.htm
1. Chapter Couplet 500M (Mono) - (525W RMS into 8 Ohms & 1050W peak into 4 Ohms) for the center
1. Chapter Couplet 400S (450W RMS into 8 Ohms & 900W peak into 4 Ohms) for the Fronts
2. Chapter Couplet 300S (325W RMS into 8 Ohms, 650W peak into 4 Ohms) for the surround and rear channels.

I`m using XLR to Front & Center : Kimber Kabel KCTG Pure Silver and for the Subwoofers & Surrounds: Kimber Kable Hero

Speaker cables :
Front: Kimber 4AG Pure Silver
Center: Kimber 8AG Pure Silver
Surrounds: Kimber Kabel 4TC White

Speakers:
Front: *Focal Utopia Alto Be
Center: Focal Center Utopia Be
Subwoofer: 2 X Focal Sub Utopia Be
Sides: 2 X Focal Electra SR 1000Be bipole
Back: 1 X Focal Electra SR 1000Be twin mono

That`s my setup

PerS
post #1127 of 1467
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Originally Posted by syswei View Post

I certainly haven't decided on the AVP since my HT is 6+ months away. But most definitely I won't be getting the POA because it lacks power for my needs. At this point I'm considering the Bryston 7B-SST (600wpc into 8 ohms, 900 into 4 ohms) or even higher-powered pro amps, perhaps Crown MacroTech, maybe bridged MA1202 or MA2402 units.

If someone could convince Denon to put out some high powered amps in the near term, that would be great.

As we all know, a big wattage number doesn't always tell the full story. The Denon POA has 10 independent power supplies + 4 big independent power transformers. You can bridge any two channels to get 300w into 8 ohms and 500w into 4 ohms. You could bridge 6 channels to run the front LCR's with super high power and still have 4 channels of 150 to run the backs and the rears. Or you could bridge all 10 channels and do a 5.1 system with up to 500w per channel (4 ohms). The amp is THX Ultra certified, so by definition it has to be stable at 3 ohms and have wide bandwidth. I don't understand why some don't think of this amp as high power.
post #1128 of 1467
Pete,
no doubt that the watts aint watts argument can be made with regard to almost any amplifier comparison, but if somebody is willing to pay almost 8K for a pair of Bryston monoblocks the comparison is apples and oranges.

If you have a speaker with low sensitivity or one with an highly variable or low impedance/frequency curve then you may need more than the specified output of this amplifier. If you have a particularly large room that is sonically dead, you may need more power.

Another disadvantage of all multichannel amplifiers, is that they do not let you place you amplifier in close proximity to the speaker. The XLR outputs of the AVP A1 should allow long runs of balance cable without the noise associated with long single ended runs.

If you take bryston amplifiers at similar power ratings, like the 9bsst and 3bsst (about 8k for 7 channels), will the Denon have the sonics of the 9b? These amplifiers typically rate out at about 190w into 8 and 310 into 4.

We will not know this until the unit is released.
post #1129 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

As we all know, a big wattage number doesn't always tell the full story. The Denon POA has 10 independent power supplies + 4 big independent power transformers. You can bridge any two channels to get 300w into 8 ohms and 500w into 4 ohms. You could bridge 6 channels to run the front LCR's with super high power and still have 4 channels of 150 to run the backs and the rears. Or you could bridge all 10 channels and do a 5.1 system with up to 500w per channel (4 ohms).

That is going to be fine for many, but isn't what I'm looking for if I indeed go with the Studio2/Voice2, which are recommended for up to 500w. They are 6ohms nominal, 3.6 ohm minimum, and I want to have substantially more than 500w/6ohms on hand. Bridging the POA would give me 400w/6ohms, wheras the Bryston monoblock is 750w/6ohms, and if I want to go higher yet, there is the Crown MacroTech pro amp line.

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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

The amp is THX Ultra certified, so by definition it has to be stable at 3 ohms and have wide bandwidth. I don't understand why some don't think of this amp as high power.

BTW is that stablity in normal or bridged mode? I mean, if running bridged, is it stable at 3 ohms?
post #1130 of 1467
I'll be running balanced xlr into my front 3 way SGR monoblocs for the active Octagon fronts, and rcas to the 7ch Elektra Theatre for the rears and centre for the passive B&W speakers.
It is nice to have the choice of xlr/rca combinations on the AVP

I'll also be running balanced to the 2 IB subwoofers. (I have a front one and a rear one in Harman configuration ie centre of front and back, floor mounted) Anyone know if this AVP can be configured in the SW outlets to run the LF crossover feed from the rear channels to a rear subwoofer? That'd be cool to get the rear explosions/helicopters coming from the rear - might allow for an 80 or 100Hz crossover (I currently use 60Hz as found in seperate experiment anything above that can be localised running one rear sub only).
Interested to hear peoples thoughts on the config possibilities of the 3 SW channels
post #1131 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Lets see....... Naaaaa, you don't get off that easy, upgradeitus is both terminal and contagious and it can not be denied. Because it's all a planned as a vicious circle, of which there is no easy escape. And not even Dr. Phil can help...

Something new will probably come out, or be changed in some way that you will really really want to have, and probably within the next year. So figure about 6 months or so should be about the right time for Denon to come out with something like a AVP MKII version like they did with the 5805, and so that they can also offer people the "MKII upgrade" for the AVP. If for no other reason than just to keep people happy and buying something..


Or as Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, "Well it just goes to show you, it's always something"...

Yeah I have to say I totally agree. There will be something, not quite sure what yet, but definitely something that I will convince myself I just have to get. Yes there is no known cure for upgradeitis, and I hope that none is found. That's what makes this whole AV hobby so much fun! and expensive
post #1132 of 1467
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Originally Posted by MC Maniac View Post

I'm also using a pair of MC352's for sides and rears..curious as to why you wouldn't go XLR..??

Easy answer -- McIntosh builds awesome amps, but they are IMHO mainly stereo people and the MX134 pre/pro that I use has no XLR connects -- they added XLR's to create the MX135 and bumped the price and then added HDMI passthrough to the MX136 (BUT cannot split off the LPCM) and raised its price $2000 from the MX135. Thus -- just do not have the capability of using XLR's at this point in time.

Let me fire a question back -- with a maximum interconnect length of 3 feet, do you feel that XLR's are better than premium RCA connects? My MX134 will go on Audiogon in a couple of months whenever I find a good quality pre/pro oriented toward the digital world (HDMI 1.3a+) such as the new Denon, Marantz or the Carey 11a -- Mc will be another couple of years before they come out with the MX138 and it will be pretty expensive, so I plan to soon obtain a good up-to-date pre/pro that can decode all lossless HD formats as well as take the already decoded highrate bitstreamed digital signal and deal with it and I am not getting any younger... (oops--far more than an answer to your question--got carried away )

MikeSp
post #1133 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

As we all know, a big wattage number doesn't always tell the full story. The Denon POA has 10 independent power supplies + 4 big independent power transformers. You can bridge any two channels to get 300w into 8 ohms and 500w into 4 ohms. You could bridge 6 channels to run the front LCR's with super high power and still have 4 channels of 150 to run the backs and the rears. Or you could bridge all 10 channels and do a 5.1 system with up to 500w per channel (4 ohms). The amp is THX Ultra certified, so by definition it has to be stable at 3 ohms and have wide bandwidth. I don't understand why some don't think of this amp as high power.

Actually, anyone considering the POA in bridged mode might also want to take a look at the Anthem P5, which is a 5 x monoblock sort of design, 325wpc/8ohms, 500/4, 675/2. If one has speakers that dip down to 2-3 ohms, it might be safer than a bridged POA, imo. Same price range as the POA, too.
post #1134 of 1467
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Originally Posted by syswei View Post

Actually you're way ahead of me since I haven't bought anything yet! (The room isn't even designed, just in the thinking stage, but researching equipment online is kind of a hobby.) Fronts being considered are the Revel Studio2 / Voice2, but I haven't auditioned anything yet. Rears/sides TBD but might go with inwalls or if I decide to go crazy, Revel Gem2; will definitely get more mid-priced, pro amps for rears/sides.

Wow, Revel speakers are awesome! I listened to an all Ultima 7.1 setup and it was insanely good!! So I am familiar with the Revel sound and I'd say that you are in for a treat if you do go Revel. Keep us posted with what you decide on.



Seth
post #1135 of 1467
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Originally Posted by syswei View Post

Actually, anyone considering the POA in bridged mode might also want to take a look at the Anthem P5, which is a 5 x monoblock sort of design, 325wpc/8ohms, 500/4, 675/2. If one has speakers that dip down to 2-3 ohms, it might be safer than a bridged POA, imo. Same price range as the POA, too.

Yes Anthem is a really good choice also, with the Statement line offering some truly amazing sound.
post #1136 of 1467
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Originally Posted by norpus View Post

I'll be running balanced xlr into my front 3 way SGR monoblocs for the active Octagon fronts, and rcas to the 7ch Elektra Theatre for the rears and centre for the passive B&W speakers.
It is nice to have the choice of xlr/rca combinations on the AVP

Yes it's very cool to have that capability. This pre/pro has to be one of the most flexible out there. Lots and lots of options.

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I'll also be running balanced to the 2 IB subwoofers. (I have a front one and a rear one in Harman configuration ie centre of front and back, floor mounted) Anyone know if this AVP can be configured in the SW outlets to run the LF crossover feed from the rear channels to a rear subwoofer? That'd be cool to get the rear explosions/helicopters coming from the rear - might allow for an 80 or 100Hz crossover (I currently use 60Hz as found in seperate experiment anything above that can be localised running one rear sub only).
Interested to hear peoples thoughts on the config possibilities of the 3 SW channels

Not sure about this one but that would be a very cool thing to be able to have explosions coming from the rear.
post #1137 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

My new Denon will be connected to my Nad25 power amp which outputs to Focal electra 1027be, 2xprofile 908sw,1xAaron HCC 600 centre and 1xAaron HSS 600 surrounds.

Sweet!
post #1138 of 1467
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Originally Posted by norpus View Post

I'll be running balanced xlr into my front 3 way SGR monoblocs for the active Octagon fronts, and rcas to the 7ch Elektra Theatre for the rears and centre for the passive B&W speakers.
It is nice to have the choice of xlr/rca combinations on the AVP

I'll also be running balanced to the 2 IB subwoofers. (I have a front one and a rear one in Harman configuration ie centre of front and back, floor mounted) Anyone know if this AVP can be configured in the SW outlets to run the LF crossover feed from the rear channels to a rear subwoofer? That'd be cool to get the rear explosions/helicopters coming from the rear - might allow for an 80 or 100Hz crossover (I currently use 60Hz as found in seperate experiment anything above that can be localised running one rear sub only).
Interested to hear peoples thoughts on the config possibilities of the 3 SW channels

I have one IB woofer (center front) , but will be adding a center rear sub (Velodyne ULD-18 I happen to have 'lying around') to do exactly the same as you propose.

Looking at page 29 of the owners manual, it looks like configs options do NOT include a front set vs rear set of crossovers. The closest you could get is the 2SP MIX, which give two (I'm guessing equal) outputs to feed the subs. But that's a global sum of the woofer info.
The other way is using free assignment of pre-outs, to assign SW1 to both SW1 and SW2 pre-outs.
What this does not get you, is delay management between two widely spaced subs. Matter of fact, even for L/R/LFE modes, I didn't see how to set delays (distance) for each sub out from looking at the manual.

To correctly handle a sub in front, sub in rear, I would think delay and phase controls per sub would be required to correctly align.

It's these types of gaps even super-configurable units like this AVP that made me go a full roll-your-own bass management and active crossover route years ago. I'm still hoping this Denon can help me simplify the system, but challenges like this are not looking good.
post #1139 of 1467
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

Easy answer -- McIntosh builds awesome amps, but they are IMHO mainly stereo people and the MX134 pre/pro that I use has no XLR connects

I'd say that's a very good reason..

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Let me fire a question back -- with a maximum interconnect length of 3 feet, do you feel that XLR's are better than premium RCA connects?

I really doubt you would be able to hear a difference and I wouldn't let XLR be a deal breaker at 3 feet..

My XLR cables to the front are about 30 feet so I wanted to go balanced - but I never bothered doing any sort of A/B'g..


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My MX134 will go on Audiogon in a couple of months whenever I find a good quality pre/pro oriented toward the digital world (HDMI 1.3a+) such as the new Denon, Marantz or the Carey 11a -- Mc will be another couple of years before they come out with the MX138 and it will be pretty expensive, so I plan to soon obtain a good up-to-date pre/pro that can decode all lossless HD formats as well as take the already decoded highrate bitstreamed digital signal and deal with it and I am not getting any younger... (oops--far more than an answer to your question--got carried away )

pretty much same sentiments here..no way was I going to pay $5k to upgrade my Lex MC12B to the HD version only to upgrade again if/when they offered 1.3 and internal decoding..

this week I sold my Lex and ordered the Denon..
post #1140 of 1467
Some other amp options for anyone that might care, in the 300-475wpc (8 ohms), 450-800wpc (4 ohms) range: Cinepro and Verastarr.
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