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post #1171 of 1467
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Originally Posted by lectricman View Post

Ok, I'm going to start something here. I've been reading all about the pro/amp combo and have been working with my dealer on the possible purchase of both pieces. I went to pull the trigger yesterday and was told the reason for the holdup on release to dealers is because Denon(we believe) is requiring ALL purchasers (ie:us) to be THX Ultra2 certified and go through their certification program. We think this might be because of the WIFI capability of the processor but not sure. So, this means that we have to buy these units thru a cert. installer, not directly from the dealer which ads a middle man unless we are able to go through the cert. process ourselves which I'm not sure of. Still awaiting conformation on all of this. Maybe DenonJeff will chime in on this. If this info is correct it's not good!

BS. If this were true then Denon would not even think about releasing the product to dealers without first having them certified.

I bought a 5805ci early in 2007 and my dealer was told to go through the training later in the year.

I would think that if there is training required for the AVP that this would have already been done.
post #1172 of 1467
Apparently the dealers have to be certified to sell these pieces. It's not necessarily training in the AVP but in the THX component of the piece. Mabey it has to do with my dealer inperticularly who is not an audio store but is authorized to sell Denon and is certified. Look, I hope it's BS, better for us.
post #1173 of 1467
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Originally Posted by lectricman View Post

Apparently the dealers have to be certified to sell these pieces. It's not necessarily training in the AVP but in the THX component of the piece. Mabey it has to do with my dealer inperticularly who is not an audio store but is authorized to sell Denon and is certified. Look, I hope it's BS, better for us.

Im sorry to say but it is BS.
post #1174 of 1467
Anybody looking to get rid of their 5805CI, or knows where to get one, throw me a PM!
post #1175 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I still cant believe me you and seth don't have one yet, especially you two!

Here's hoping at least one of us gets theirs this week. I know it's been a long time coming.


Seth
post #1176 of 1467
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Anybody looking to get rid of their 5805CI, or knows where to get one, throw me a PM!

Was there ever a 5805CI model?
post #1177 of 1467
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Originally Posted by rudolpht View Post

Was there ever a 5805CI model?

Yep!
http://usa.denon.com/ArchivedAVRecei...mageField.y=12
post #1178 of 1467
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Originally Posted by lectricman View Post

Ok, I'm going to start something here. I've been reading all about the pro/amp combo and have been working with my dealer on the possible purchase of both pieces. I went to pull the trigger yesterday and was told the reason for the holdup on release to dealers is because Denon(we believe) is requiring ALL purchasers (ie:us) to be THX Ultra2 certified and go through their certification program. We think this might be because of the WIFI capability of the processor but not sure. So, this means that we have to buy these units thru a cert. installer, not directly from the dealer which ads a middle man unless we are able to go through the cert. process ourselves which I'm not sure of. Still awaiting conformation on all of this. Maybe DenonJeff will chime in on this. If this info is correct it's not good!

This is absurd, nonsense, ridiculous, guaranteed. Whoever you were dealing with (if they weren't joking around with you) is insane. Quite a few people have orders in and they are arriving shortly.
post #1179 of 1467
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Thanks for the link. I guess that sounded better than MkIII.
post #1180 of 1467
Is this really an audiophile pre-amp? I've twice bought the high end Denon receivers (my son has the older one) and two high-end Denon DVD players. I'm sold on their sound quality and was considering this and a Parasound amp as my next step. But when I look at the audio signal-to-noise ratio in the owner's manual it only shows -102 db. While all of the Anthem processors that I can find tests on all have tested out on the bench at least -121 db. That's an enormous difference. You can't argue with the flexibility of the AVP-A1HDC1 or the new 5308CI receiver, but at $7K I would have expected better audio performance. Any idea what's going on here, or did they transpose two digits in the owner's manual?
post #1181 of 1467
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

(We did have to meet some requirements to be able to calibrate using Audyssey Pro, but that's a different matter.)

Jim

Maybe thats what salesman was confusing it with, audyssey.Remeber some of these salesman don't have a clue and they tend to interpret things wrong.
post #1182 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Dennis Dickerso View Post

Is this really an audiophile pre-amp? I've twice bought the high end Denon receivers (my son has the older one) and two high-end Denon DVD players. I'm sold on their sound quality and was considering this and a Parasound amp as my next step. But when I look at the audio signal-to-noise ratio in the owner's manual it only shows -102 db. While all of the Anthem processors that I can find tests on all have tested out on the bench at least -121 db. That's an enormous difference. You can't argue with the flexibility of the AVP-A1HDC1 or the new 5308CI receiver, but at $7K I would have expected better audio performance. Any idea what's going on here, or did they transpose two digits in the owner's manual?

I'm also interested in it's 2ch abilities. For the money it should be very good.
post #1183 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Maybe thats what salesman was confusing it with, audyssey.Remeber some of these salesman don't have a clue and they tend to interpret things wrong.


Very possible.
post #1184 of 1467
I am not an electronic engineer, but I do know there is more than one way to measure the S/N Ratio so that unless you know how it was measured, you can't compare the Anthem and Denon or any other piece of equipment. I had a D1 and it was very quiet. I am using a 3808 as a pre-amp now and it is very quiet. It has a published S/N Ratio of 102. Point being, I can't tell the difference.
post #1185 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Dennis Dickerso View Post

Is this really an audiophile pre-amp? I've twice bought the high end Denon receivers (my son has the older one) and two high-end Denon DVD players. I'm sold on their sound quality and was considering this and a Parasound amp as my next step. But when I look at the audio signal-to-noise ratio in the owner's manual it only shows -102 db. While all of the Anthem processors that I can find tests on all have tested out on the bench at least -121 db. That's an enormous difference. You can't argue with the flexibility of the AVP-A1HDC1 or the new 5308CI receiver, but at $7K I would have expected better audio performance. Any idea what's going on here, or did they transpose two digits in the owner's manual?

That's a good point that caught my attention too. Though sound quality really matters to me, I would not make a purchase decision solely on line stage S/N ratio. However, I do use it as a evaluation factor and 102 db does appear a bit low given the price point of the piece. The one prepro I've owned in the past for like-comparison is the Theta Casablanca II with Superior DACs. It was easily the most transparent controller I've ever owned. I could easily hear differences between analog cables, amps, and speakers when changed for evalution purposes. I don't own the Blanca any longer (due to ultimately justified fear that the piece would not be updated in a timely fashion with the latest features), but I was more than satisfied with its sonic performance. An interesting observation: I just checked the Blanca II manual online and the S/N ratio is 105 DB (properly based on the S/N ratio of its superior DACs). Another interesting tidbit: The Blanca II with Xtreme DACs (the best DACs offered for any Blanca version) is also 105 DB. According the more that one Theta rep I've spoken with in the past, the Extreme DAC should sound much better than the Superior DAC I owned. I don't know if this assertion is true or not, but my point is that perhaps S/N in and of itself does not tell the entire story of sonic quality. The build quality of the AVP-A1HDCI shares much with the Blanca conceptually (large, independent, multiple power supplies, fully balanced DACs, etc). Indeed, the AVP-A1HDCI even weighs more than the tank-like blanca (~ 48 pounds) which I suspect is largely due to power supply weight. Given all of this, I'm going to consider the AVP-A1HDCI as a replacement for, and sonic equivilant of, my ex-Blanca (with features I've been waiting for), but I'm going to wait for some opinions of the unit's two/multi-channel music performance first.
post #1186 of 1467
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Originally Posted by elockett View Post

That's a good point that caught my attention too. Though sound quality really matters to me, I would not make a purchase decision solely on line stage S/N ratio. However, I do use it as a evaluation factor and 102 db does appear a bit low given the price point of the piece. The one prepro I've owned in the past for like-comparison is the Theta Casablanca II with Superior DACs. It was easily the most transparent controller I've ever owned. I could easily hear differences between analog cables, amps, and speakers when changed for evalution purposes. I don't own the Blanca any longer (due to ultimately justified fear that the piece would not be updated in a timely fashion with the latest features), but I was more than satisfied with its sonic performance. An interesting observation: I just checked the Blanca II manual online and the S/N ratio is 105 DB (properly based on the S/N ratio of its superior DACs). Another interesting tidbit: The Blanca II with Xtreme DACs (the best DACs offered for any Blanca version) is also 105 DB. According the more that one Theta rep I've spoken with in the past, the Extreme DAC should sound much better than the Superior DAC I owned. I don't know if this assertion is true or not, but my point is that perhaps S/N in and of itself does not tell the entire story of sonic quality. The build quality of the AVP-A1HDCI shares much with the Blanca conceptually (large, independent, multiple power supplies, fully balanced DACs, etc). Indeed, the AVP-A1HDCI even weighs more than the tank-like blanca (~ 48 pounds) which I suspect is largely due to power supply weight. Given all of this, I'm going to consider the AVP-A1HDCI as a replacement for, and sonic equivilant of, my ex-Blanca (with features I've been waiting for), but I'm going to wait for some opinions of the unit's two/multi-channel music performance first.

This is a very good point you brought up. While a very high Signal to Noise ratio may be sought after by some, there are quite a few very high end brands out there (like the Theta CBII that you mentioned) that have values only slightly above or even a bit lower than the Denon AVP. Now does this mean that just because said pre/pro has a S/N of 100 db that it makes it a poor performer? On the contrary, let's take Classe' as an example, their SSP-600 pre/pro has a rated S/N of 100 db according to the manual, and that unit received raves as being one of the best sounding out there.

Even though Anthem may have a very high S/N according to some test bench reviews out there, the manual for the D2 has it listed as 104 db for digital and 107 db for analog. Now those numbers listed by Anthem aren't too much higher than the one Denon listed for its AVP-A1HDCI. Who knows maybe the Denon will have a higher S/N number once the pro reviewers test it. And in all actuality a S/N of 102 db is pretty darn good.

I think we're getting a fantastic audiophile preamp with the Denon AVP.



Seth
post #1187 of 1467
My AVP and POA are at the dealers awaiting my collection.
post #1188 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

This is a very good point you brought up. While a very high Signal to Noise ratio may be sought after by some, there are quite a few very high end brands out there (like the Theta CBII that you mentioned) that have values only slightly above or even a bit lower than the Denon AVP. Now does this mean that just because said pre/pro has a S/N of 100 db that it makes it a poor performer? On the contrary, let's take Classe' as an example, their SSP-600 pre/pro has a rated S/N of 100 db according to the manual, and that unit received raves as being one of the best sounding out there.

Even though Anthem may have a very high S/N according to some test bench reviews out there, the manual for the D2 has it listed as 104 db for digital and 107 db for analog. Now those numbers listed by Anthem aren't too much higher than the one Denon listed for its AVP-A1HDCI. Who knows maybe the Denon will have a higher S/N number once the pro reviewers test it. And in all actuality a S/N of 102 db is pretty darn good.

I think we're getting a fantastic audiophile preamp with the Denon AVP.



Seth

Another point...Denon is a very resourceful company when it comes to any audio product or audio/video source products. They, in my opinion, still make some of the very best A/V receivers out there. That said, Denon has contemplated getting back in to the higher-end A/V processor market for several years now. Based on the build quality, features of the AVP, on top of the "experience" I have with some of their highest priced receivers (5800 series) - I seriously doubt Denon is going to introduce their 1st AV processor in years, price it significantly higher than their highest-end receiver, only to not live up to the hype revolving around it. This piece will be phenomenal - guaranteed.
post #1189 of 1467
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Originally Posted by MarkB View Post

My AVP and POA are at the dealers awaiting my collection.

What are you waitin for ! Go Go Go
post #1190 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

What are you waitin for ! Go Go Go

The plan is to go up Saturday and get them- my mate will be available to help me load it and I may have to use my Dad's people carrier as I don't know if the boxes are going to fit in my car!

But I will see... I might go and get them tomorrow morning!
post #1191 of 1467
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Originally Posted by MarkB View Post

The plan is to go up Saturday and get them- my mate will be available to help me load it and I may have to use my Dad's people carrier as I don't know if the boxes are going to fit in my car!

But I will see... I might go and get them tomorrow morning!

The weight of the POA is

I don't blame you for getting some help. Just think of what it is going to be like when my Velodyne 1812 arrives, 385LB unpacked and I think 420 packed.

I can't even really understand how it is so heavy. It easily is heavier than my fridge which is a big kitchenaid full stainless!
post #1192 of 1467
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

...385LB unpacked and I think 420 packed...

O M G
post #1193 of 1467
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Originally Posted by MarkB View Post

My AVP and POA are at the dealers awaiting my collection.


!!!AWESOME!!!
Congrats!!!!! Well now that yours has arrived, here's hoping that some of the rest of us will be getting ours this week as well.

Thanks for sharing that most excellent news!



Seth
post #1194 of 1467
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

The weight of the POA is

I don't blame you for getting some help. Just think of what it is going to be like when my Velodyne 1812 arrives, 385LB unpacked and I think 420 packed.

I can't even really understand how it is so heavy. It easily is heavier than my fridge which is a big kitchenaid full stainless!

Holy smokes!!! I just looked up some info on the 1812 Signature and all I can say is WOW!! That is one SERIOUS subwoofer!!! No I don't think you went wrong getting this sub With everything that it offers, it has to be the most technologically advanced sub out there. Nearly 400 freakin' pounds of subwoofer! I guarantee you will not be moving this thing around very often.

You've got me curious about this one now. Please report back once you get it, I want to know what this thing can do.



Seth
post #1195 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ddimberio View Post

Another point...Denon is a very resourceful company when it comes to any audio product or audio/video source products. They, in my opinion, still make some of the very best A/V receivers out there. That said, Denon has contemplated getting back in to the higher-end A/V processor market for several years now. Based on the build quality, features of the AVP, on top of the "experience" I have with some of their highest priced receivers (5800 series) - I seriously doubt Denon is going to introduce their 1st AV processor in years, price it significantly higher than their highest-end receiver, only to not live up to the hype revolving around it. This piece will be phenomenal - guaranteed.

Yes I agree, Denon is/has been on the cutting edge with their flagship receivers, and not only is the fit and finish exemplary, but the sound quality on them is superb! The AVR-5800 I used to own was amazing! Easy to use and excellent in the sound dept. So I have very good feelings with this AVP, especially being their top of the line reference product. They pulled out all the stops on this one, so I expect it to be nothing short of spectacular!



Seth
post #1196 of 1467
I think it's going to deliver the sonic goods as well. I'll keep an eye on this thread for owner impressions. I do have one question: Will the AVP-A1HDCI playback WMA Pro (lossless) music files, or just WMA. I know FLAC is available as an alternative but I'm just curious.
post #1197 of 1467
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Originally Posted by elockett View Post

I think it's going to deliver the sonic goods as well. I'll keep an eye on this thread for owner impressions. I do have one question: Will the AVP-A1HDCI playback WMA Pro (lossless) music files, or just WMA. I know FLAC is available as an alternative but I'm just curious.

Yes, it will definitely playback WMA Lossless. This is what I will be using.
post #1198 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Yes, it will definitely playback WMA Lossless. This is what I will be using.

Are you sure? Haven't checked the manual but at least the 5308 seems to indicate that the only non lossy bitrate formats are WAV and FLAC.
post #1199 of 1467
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Originally Posted by ailean View Post

Are you sure? Haven't checked the manual but at least the 5308 seems to indicate that the only non lossy bitrate formats are WAV and FLAC.

Very sure. This is what DenonJeff told me:

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ohyeah32 - All streaming AVRs and the AVP support MP3, WMA, WMA Lossless, AAC and FLAC regardless of the media manager or operating system. iTunes is supported on all the models with the use of Twonky Media software that needs to be installed on any computer with iTunes (Mac/PC). WMP11 must be installed on a Windows machine for streaming, although you don't have to use its as your media manager - it allows us to stream DRM protected material. Also you can store you audio files on any DLNA NAS drive and stream without a PC...
post #1200 of 1467
Great news guys!! I just found out from my dealer that my AVP-A1HDCI has indeed shipped from Denon and will arrive this week!! I am so jazzed!!
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