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post #2431 of 3097
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

Here is a well excuted review on the Sierra's...after reading it I was sold...lol.

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=4694

I'm sold too, just placed the order for a pair in Dark Cherry. I guess I'll have thirty days to compare them to the Digms. Thanks for posting the review, I'll post some thoughts after comparing the two for a few days.
post #2432 of 3097
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

Right now I'm using the Marantz PM8003 IA to drive the Paradigm's, I made some changes to the amplification in my HT system so now I have an A23 that's collecting dust. A used halo P3 came up for sale in my area and I'm thinking about grabbing it, it'll only cost me $150 above the amount I can sell the Marantz for. Thanks for the insight on the pairing.

Are you familiar with the Paradigm sound? If so, how would the Sierra's compare or what were the difference's you perceived?

I have heard several Paradigm studio speakers including a bookshelf pair and floor standers. In fact we even conducted a shootout with them The sierras easily hold their own and may surpass them although I cannot say for sure being I am not real familiar with the Studio line. The digms can sound bright with the metal dome tweet. If you liked the sound of the metal tweet you might consider the Sierra with the NrT which adds more detail and energy up top. Otherwise the bass and mids sound great on the sierra! I think most will agree the sierras on average best the studio line.....its the Sig line with the Be tweet that's real impressive!
post #2433 of 3097
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

I have heard several Paradigm studio speakers including a bookshelf pair and floor standers. In fact we even conducted a shootout with them The sierras easily hold their own and may surpass them although I cannot say for sure being I am not real familiar with the Studio line. The digms can sound bright with the metal dome tweet. If you liked the sound of the metal tweet you might consider the Sierra with the NrT which adds more detail and energy up top. Otherwise the bass and mids sound great on the sierra! I think most will agree the sierras on average best the studio line.....its the Sig line with the Be tweet that's real impressive!

I didn't even see the tweeter upgrade option when I placed the order, I'll give them a call tomorrow to find out some details. Are the standard Sierra's consider a laid back speaker?

I'm familiar with the Digm Sigs as that's what my HT system consists of and I really like them. Unfortunately the wife vetoed having them upstairs in the living room as the Cherry finish doesn't match. The only thing she cares about is if the match the decor, which the rosenut Digms and the dark Cherry Sierra's do.
post #2434 of 3097
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

I didn't even see the tweeter upgrade option when I placed the order, I'll give them a call tomorrow to find out some details. Are the standard Sierra's consider a laid back speaker?

I'm familiar with the Digm Sigs as that's what my HT system consists of and I really like them. Unfortunately the wife vetoed having them upstairs in the living room as the Cherry finish doesn't match. The only thing she cares about is if the match the decor, which the rosenut Digms and the dark Cherry Sierra's do.

The Nrt upgrade not only adds more top end energy but also makes the sierra a more forward speaker. The mid range has more bite in my opinion. The Nrt dome tweeter is the same one used in the Tower speaker so anything you read about it should be similar. The sierra itself is pretty neutral maybe slightly laid back and the Nrt remedies this. Its not for everyone. Coming from the Sigs and other Digms, I would seriously get Dave's opinion on what tweeter to get. The Nrt might be a better fit based on your previous tastes.
post #2435 of 3097
I "upgraded" from a pair of Paradigm Millenia 200 towers last month to a pair of the NrT Sierra bookshelves. I loved the Paradigm sound, but I am in love wirth these Sierra's. I am beginning to understand what neutral means in a speaker and have grown to love the sound these produce. Pure music nothing added or taken away is how I can best describe them. Not to sound like an advertisement, but I really hear instruments that the Paradigms never really produced. They are beginning to change my taste in music as certain styles sound really wonderful on these speakers. I am a rock fan, but jazz and classical blow my mind on these things.

My advice, get the NrT and don't look back.
post #2436 of 3097
Anyone else noticing a lack of uniformity between the side and center channels?
post #2437 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Anyone else noticing a lack of uniformity between the side and center channels?

Can you be a little more specific about what you're hearing?
post #2438 of 3097
I was wondering if anyone currently has their Sierras hooked up to their computer? Is this even possible? If so, I would certainly be interested in what connectors I would need to do this. Also, what connectors would I need should I decide to add a subwoofer into the mix?

I would certainly appreciate any help on this .

Thanks!
post #2439 of 3097
Can someone direct me to were I can view the prices on the Nrt Sierras? I can't seem to find the price list on the web site.

Thanks.
post #2440 of 3097
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

I'm sold too, just placed the order for a pair in Dark Cherry. I guess I'll have thirty days to compare them to the Digms. Thanks for posting the review, I'll post some thoughts after comparing the two for a few days.

Excellent choice - I have the same ones and they look and sound fantastic.

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Originally Posted by jrhooper1963 View Post

I was wondering if anyone currently has their Sierras hooked up to their computer? Is this even possible? If so, I would certainly be interested in what connectors I would need to do this. Also, what connectors would I need should I decide to add a subwoofer into the mix?

I would certainly appreciate any help on this .

Thanks!

It is not possible to connect sierras directly to a computer. Well, you could try connecting them to your headphone jack but it doesn't have nearly enough power for the sierras. If you have a receiver you should be able to output a digital audio stream via hdmi, toslink, coax, etc and have the receiver decode and amplify the signal to the speakers. Alternatively your computer probably also has at least left and right analog outputs, which you could send directly to an amplifier which your sierras are connected to.

So your two options are:

Comp --> Digital Out --> D/A converter --> amplifier --> speakers

comp --> analog out --> amplifier --> speakers

In the first case a receiver can provide both d/a and amplifier duties, or you could have separates. In the second the computer performs the d/a and you simply need an amplifier.
post #2441 of 3097
Thanks for the reply bcg27! Highly appreciated. I think I will just look into a 2.1 system that is intended fo computer use.
post #2442 of 3097
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Originally Posted by joshtee View Post

Can someone direct me to were I can view the prices on the Nrt Sierras? I can't seem to find the price list on the web site.

Thanks.

Not on the website as of yet, but it is mentioned in the Ascend forum.

Best to give Ascend a call.
post #2443 of 3097
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Originally Posted by duffda View Post

Can you be a little more specific about what you're hearing?

Well I've described it in pretty explicit detail in these last few pages, but basically I've noticed that when sounds (dialogue, for instance) pan from center to side channel, the sound changes, sounding much more hollow and easily localized. It is not seamless.

I've tried many suggestions around here to fix this issue, but to no avail. I just figured I would throw the question out there again since this thread had a recent surge of activity, mostly of people praising these speakers. Ah well, I just have to get used to it I guess. Disappointing.
post #2444 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

I've tried many suggestions around here to fix this issue, but to no avail. I just figured I would throw the question out there again since this thread had a recent surge of activity, mostly of people praising these speakers. Ah well, I just have to get used to it I guess. Disappointing.

I am sure it is. Wish we could hear it and be of more help.
post #2445 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Not on the website as of yet, but it is mentioned in the Ascend forum.

Best to give Ascend a call.

Can you direct me to were it is mentioned on their forum. I looked, seems hidden. Is the pricing a secret? Just seems weird not to have pricing available without calling.
post #2446 of 3097
Hopefully it will be updated on the website this weekend.
post #2447 of 3097
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Originally Posted by joshtee View Post

Can you direct me to were it is mentioned on their forum. I looked, seems hidden. Is the pricing a secret? Just seems weird not to have pricing available without calling.

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/sho...07&postcount=7
post #2448 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Well I've described it in pretty explicit detail in these last few pages, but basically I've noticed that when sounds (dialogue, for instance) pan from center to side channel, the sound changes, sounding much more hollow and easily localized. It is not seamless.

I've tried many suggestions around here to fix this issue, but to no avail. I just figured I would throw the question out there again since this thread had a recent surge of activity, mostly of people praising these speakers. Ah well, I just have to get used to it I guess. Disappointing.

Hi Cuzzin,

As has been stated several times, other than the longer grille and the orientation of the various labels, there is absolutely no difference between a Sierra-1 center and a main, what you are experience is not a speaker issue. If you are hearing such a dramatic change in sound from one of the left / right speakers to the center, it can only be the following:

1. room / positioning related.
2. EQ related, if you are using an auto EQ system like Audyssey or similar.

Try swapping your center with one of your left/rights speakers... Are you still hearing the issue? If not, there could be a problem with the center speaker. If you still have the issue, you will need to take the necessary steps to determine the cause and this will include taking soom measurements, which is not difficult but it can be time consuming.

Also, you might be experiencing some boundary effects due to your placement and in this case, you might consider giving our Q-Plugs a try.

Hope this helps!
post #2449 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Well I've described it in pretty explicit detail in these last few pages, but basically I've noticed that when sounds (dialogue, for instance) pan from center to side channel, the sound changes, sounding much more hollow and easily localized. It is not seamless.

I've tried many suggestions around here to fix this issue, but to no avail. I just figured I would throw the question out there again since this thread had a recent surge of activity, mostly of people praising these speakers. Ah well, I just have to get used to it I guess. Disappointing.

When you say hollow, it makes me think of comb filtering and/or acoustical interference. This occurs in greater intensity when the listener sits close to a bare wall(s) and when the speakers are near the sides walls. I didn't see where you had furniture in the room.

If you have extra furniture in the room, you could try absorbing the first reflection points with something you already have to see if acoustic panels (depending on how these look) would work. If you sit near the back wall, you can put a couch cushion behind your head to see if it helps with the nasally, hollow, annoying comb filtering. I attached a picture of an experiment I did to see how acoustic panels (cushions) and mattresses (bass traps) impact the sound. I covered the first reflection points besides the ceiling and the backwall since it was greater than 20 feet behind the listening position. The cushions greatly improved imaging, clarity, and detail.
LL
post #2450 of 3097
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Thank you.
post #2451 of 3097
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Originally Posted by Ascend View Post

Hi Cuzzin,

As has been stated several times, other than the longer grille and the orientation of the various labels, there is absolutely no difference between a Sierra-1 center and a main, what you are experience is not a speaker issue. If you are hearing such a dramatic change in sound from one of the left / right speakers to the center, it can only be the following:

1. room / positioning related.
2. EQ related, if you are using an auto EQ system like Audyssey or similar.

Try swapping your center with one of your left/rights speakers... Are you still hearing the issue? If not, there could be a problem with the center speaker. If you still have the issue, you will need to take the necessary steps to determine the cause and this will include taking soom measurements, which is not difficult but it can be time consuming.

Also, you might be experiencing some boundary effects due to your placement and in this case, you might consider giving our Q-Plugs a try.

Hope this helps!

I have tried the center-for-side-channel swap that was recommended to me in this thread and continued to experience the issue, so I suppose that does point away from the issue being speaker related. I've tried much of what was suggested here to try to address possible EQ related issues, including switching the position of my subwoofer, disabling Audyssey, toeing the speakers further in or further out, and so on. I've almost arrived at the point of acceptance, even though this issue really upsets me. I wonder if the fact that the side speakers are on stands and the center channel is on a shelf could make any sort of difference. I don't know. Maybe I should just get a professional calibrator out here to tweak my system.
post #2452 of 3097
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Originally Posted by kwarny View Post

When you say hollow, it makes me think of comb filtering and/or acoustical interference. This occurs in greater intensity when the listener sits close to a bare wall(s) and when the speakers are near the sides walls. I didn't see where you had furniture in the room.

If you have extra furniture in the room, you could try absorbing the first reflection points with something you already have to see if acoustic panels (depending on how these look) would work. If you sit near the back wall, you can put a couch cushion behind your head to see if it helps with the nasally, hollow, annoying comb filtering. I attached a picture of an experiment I did to see how acoustic panels (cushions) and mattresses (bass traps) impact the sound. I covered the first reflection points besides the ceiling and the backwall since it was greater than 20 feet behind the listening position. The cushions greatly improved imaging, clarity, and detail.

The Sierras are in a pretty small bedroom (about 13'x13'). The only pieces of furniture in the room (aside from the entertainment center) are a revolving media tower, a nightstand, and a full-size bed. I actually sit with my back pretty much to the wall, about 10 feet away from the speakers. This is the position from which I take my measurements with my SPL meter and from where I adjust the speaker levels. If it will help, on page 79 I have some pictures to give an idea of how far from the walls the speakers are positioned. Your idea of extra furniture and cushioning to absorb the sound seems good, but I barely have the room to walk around as it is in here .
post #2453 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

The Sierras are in a pretty small bedroom (about 13'x13'). The only pieces of furniture in the room (aside from the entertainment center) are a revolving media tower, a nightstand, and a full-size bed. I actually sit with my back pretty much to the wall, about 10 feet away from the speakers. This is the position from which I take my measurements with my SPL meter and from where I adjust the speaker levels. If it will help, on page 79 I have some pictures to give an idea of how far from the walls the speakers are positioned. Your idea of extra furniture and cushioning to absorb the sound seems good, but I barely have the room to walk around as it is in here .

I think the smaller room and your close proximity to the backwall is probably the reason why. I suggested the furniture to see if you could notice any difference. You could try putting a couch cushion when sitting close to the wall to see if you could hear a difference. If you could then I would recommend that you check out GIK Acoustics or ATS Acoustics for some cheaper panels to remove that first wave bouncing off the wall (you mentioned a calibrator so I figured you wouldn't minding spending some money ). The arrival of that wave is so close to the direct wave that your brain integrates it into the same sound giving that hollow tone.
post #2454 of 3097
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Originally Posted by kwarny View Post

I think the smaller room and your close proximity to the backwall is probably the reason why. I suggested the furniture to see if you could notice any difference. You could try putting a couch cushion when sitting close to the wall to see if you could hear a difference. If you could then I would recommend that you check out GIK Acoustics or ATS Acoustics for some cheaper panels to remove that first wave bouncing off the wall (you mentioned a calibrator so I figured you wouldn't minding spending some money ). The arrival of that wave is so close to the direct wave that your brain integrates it into the same sound giving that hollow tone.

The thing is I could be sitting at the edge of the bed and still hear the sudden change in sound between speakers. My usual sitting position is at the back of the bed, near the wall, but that is not the only place I can hear the problem. Even so, I will try giving the couch cushion experiment a try. Thanks.
post #2455 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

I wonder if the fact that the side speakers are on stands and the center channel is on a shelf could make any sort of difference. I don't know.

That is most likely the cause.
post #2456 of 3097
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Originally Posted by jrhooper1963 View Post

I was wondering if anyone currently has their Sierras hooked up to their computer? Is this even possible? If so, I would certainly be interested in what connectors I would need to do this. Also, what connectors would I need should I decide to add a subwoofer into the mix?

I would certainly appreciate any help on this .

Thanks!

Not connected directly, but via a Peachtree Nova, Music Fidelity V-Link and Audioquest Carbon USB cable. I would put my 2 channel sound quality with this setup up against systems costing 2 and 3 times as much. Look into the Peachtree products, they really offer some very high quality components for the dollar that I have come across so far.
post #2457 of 3097
230 dollars for a usb cable????

you have got to be kidding me...
post #2458 of 3097
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

230 dollars for a usb cable????

you have got to be kidding me...

Lol, at least it's not a $5000 power cord
post #2459 of 3097
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

230 dollars for a usb cable????

you have got to be kidding me...

I'm assuming this comment was made for me. To be honest I am 44 years old and HAVE ALWAYS been in the wires make no difference camp. That is until I was able to audition the Cinnamon and Carbon in my home along with my 2.00 USB printer cable. At first I could not hear a difference between any of them. But the more I listened the more I felt the carbon made the musicians sound like they were really in my room. Enough to make it worth the price...to each his own I guess but for me that answer was yes. But I only paid 160.00 for the Carbon from Vanns.
post #2460 of 3097
I would like to know if the Sierra-1 NrT would be a noticeable upgrade from Mirage os3 floor standing speakers?

thanks in advance!
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