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post #2581 of 3097
Interesting post tonight from Dave on the Ascend Forum about the future of the Sierra-1 and Sierra-1 NrT.
post #2582 of 3097


Very interesting...
post #2583 of 3097
Is there anyone in the Mpls/St. Paul MN area that would let me audition some sierra-1s or the towers? Either one would be fine. Thanks! Trying to decide between these and a pair of paradigm studio 20s.
post #2584 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Interesting post tonight from Dave on the Ascend Forum about the future of the Sierra-1 and Sierra-1 NrT.

Can you tell me where that post is?
post #2585 of 3097
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Can you tell me where that post is?

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showpost.php?p=40661&postcount=35
post #2586 of 3097
I've been following the thread and am excited to see what the upgrade might be. I have been contemplating an NrT upgrade in the future but am in no hurry.
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Thanks!
post #2588 of 3097
I am in the planning stages for a new home which will have a dedicated Media Room (Ht and music). I am starting from scratch with everything...new processor, new screen, new projector, new amp and also new speakers.

I live quite a ways from any decent audio stores so auditioning speakers has been difficult at best.

My short list includes the Sierra Towers and Horizon center.

My question for this group is what surround would have the most value? 7.1 system is planned with high and wides wired for future use as desired.

My room is 18X15 feet with a 10 ft. ceiling. Carpet and some wall treatments are planned.

50/50 HT and music mix...no hard rock...mostly classical, wide range of jazz and pop.
I plan on multichannel music as well as two channel.
My proposed amp will be able to drive 200 watts per channel. (Outlaw 7700).

My plan on the Sierras is to go with the RAAL ribbon on the fronts but not the surrounds...I feel it is not needed and would be money wasted. Along those lines, I would rather not have to put the surrounds on stands so that limits me to the 170s but stands might be OK if the gain in sound quality is profound with different speakers.

What is the opinion of these using the Towers?
post #2589 of 3097
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Originally Posted by SteveR1952 View Post

What is the opinion of these using the Towers?
Dave used/uses the 170SE's as surrounds in Ascend's demo room....so they work well enough for him. smile.gif The timbre on all Ascend speakers matches well.

That said, you can mount the Sierra-1's on a wall with the proper bracket. Something like this: http://www.pinpointmounts.com/am40.html
post #2590 of 3097
I thought the Sierra-1 speakers were ported in the rear and had to be placed some distance from the wall. Any idea how far away to prevent sonic issues with the port/wall interface?

My first choice would be the Sierra-1's due to the frequent use of multichannel in the room and the assumed better sound from the larger speakers.

Thanks for the reply.
post #2591 of 3097
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Originally Posted by SteveR1952 View Post

I thought the Sierra-1 speakers were ported in the rear and had to be placed some distance from the wall. Any idea how far away to prevent sonic issues with the port/wall interface?
My first choice would be the Sierra-1's due to the frequent use of multichannel in the room and the assumed better sound from the larger speakers.
Thanks for the reply.
The CBM-170SE's are also rear ported.

For the Sierra-1/NrT, you can get the Q-plug kit and put them just about flush to the wall.
post #2592 of 3097
Thanks again for the quick reply. I will do some more reading on these....still have a few months before the house is done.
post #2593 of 3097
I'm going to be replacing my 5-year-old Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver soon. If I went from a receiver with 90 watts per channel to one with 80 watts per channel, will this negatively impact performance with the Sierra-1s?
Edited by cuzzin - 9/29/12 at 1:43pm
post #2594 of 3097
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I'm going to be replacing my 5-year-old Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver soon. If I went from a receiver with 90 watts per channel to one with 80 watts per channel, with this negatively impact performance with the Sierra-1s?
It would be negligible.
post #2595 of 3097
Ah, thanks. But if I can avoid going with a lower watt receiver, should I?
post #2596 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Ah, thanks. But if I can avoid going with a lower watt receiver, should I?

Be wary of manufacturer claims on wattage. SPL increase is logarithmic, meaning you need 10 times more watts for twice as much sound. What receiver are you considering? Make sure the wattage is stated as continuous across the listening spectrum (i.e. 20 - 20,0000 hz)
post #2597 of 3097
Well, I was just looking at 5.1 receivers. I figure since I don't have a 7.1 setup, that should be all I need. I was looking at the Denon AVR-1713 as a possibility. Also looking into Pioneer's VSX-822-K. I have been pretty happy with the Onkyo I have now, but the reviews I'm reading on Onkyo's latest batch of receivers are not encouraging, so I don't think I will be going Onkyo again.
post #2598 of 3097
Either are fine entry level receivers. I would personally choose the Denon if they were the same price.

The Pioneer is on sale at Newegg for $249.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5266858-Pioneer-VSX-822-K-5-1-Channel-3D-Ready-A-V-Receiver-249-99
post #2599 of 3097
Any of these receivers should deliver the stated wattage for 2 channels. Things get interesting when you are powering five or seven speakers (active subwoofer handles the low-end). You should be able to find measurements for most receivers regarding actual power output with 5-7 channels. For example, my Denon 2311 puts out about 65-75 watts/per channel in 7.1 but the spec sheet lists 105 W/channel. I think it does a bit better than 105 W when in 2.1.
post #2600 of 3097
Do any of you guys have any idea of what Dave has in the works for us current Sierra-1 owners? I have been seriously considering purchasing the upgraded Nrt tweeters for my Sierra1 treo, but I am cautious due to the fact that there might be something better in the works.

Also, I am just curious as to how the Nrt tweeter compares to the RAAL? I wish there was some way to change the standard tweeter to the RAAL. How do you guys feel about that?
post #2601 of 3097
You should try the Ascend Acoustics forum. They should have the most current information there. I don't think Dave has officially announced what the upgrade will be but there should be some news soon. I love my stock Sierras but am curious as well.
post #2602 of 3097
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Also, I am just curious as to how the Nrt tweeter compares to the RAAL? I wish there was some way to change the standard tweeter to the RAAL. How do you guys feel about that?
Dave has a published measurements on the RAAL 70-20XR with some comparison with the NrT.
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRT/Ascend%20Sierra%20Ribbon%20Tower.pdf

I think all of us would like to the see the RAAL 70-20XR in the Sierra-1, but Dave has said that it is not physically possible.
Edited by cschang - 10/1/12 at 10:58am
post #2603 of 3097
Hi all - We're redoing our family room and for the first time in a long time (like,early 90's long time) I'm going to start fresh with a new speaker set up. Have been very impressed by what I've read about the Ascend speakers and they've been recommended by many here to me.

I had a few questions, though and I thought you all were the ones to ask!

1. What is the difference between the Siera1 and the cmt-340's for use as my front speakers? It's not a cost-prohibited difference, but I was trying to gauge what I'd be getting for the additional expense.

2. These speakers are going to have to be wall mounted... I'm not going to have another choice with the way the room is set. I noticed that the brackets they sell say they are rated for up to 20 pounds.. and yet the cmt-340's are all 26 pounds.. even the center. So does that mean they can't be wall mounted?

3. I also wondered, with wall mounting, if they aren't really meant for that... and if there would be sonic issues by having them against a wall in this fashion. The inability to wall mount would be a deal breaker for me, sadly. I'm going to have trouble as it is with the surrounds (i figured on the cbm-170s') which might even need a ceiling mount. i hope not, though!

I haven't heard much about their subwoofers, so I still might go get an Outlaw unless there's a reason not too... but right now the Acends are at the top of my list if I can just make sure they will work for me.

By the way, if it helps, the room will be a 20x25 family room... and it opens into the kitchen and dining room... so it's a large space overall.. but the main viewing area is just the family room.

Thanks,
Frank
post #2604 of 3097
You absolutely have to wall mount the front speakers?

The brackets that Ascend sells are not meant for the 340. Customers have successfully wall mounted the 340s using a clamp style mount. There is some info about it on the Ascend Forum.

What will be the ratio of listenning....HT vs Music.
post #2605 of 3097
I guess you can't go back and edit a post now....

Anyways, to add to my post....also think about using the HTM-200SE for surrounds...they are smaller and sealed, so they have some more flexibility in mounting of the CBM-170SE.
post #2606 of 3097
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

You absolutely have to wall mount the front speakers?
The brackets that Ascend sells are not meant for the 340. Customers have successfully wall mounted the 340s using a clamp style mount. There is some info about it on the Ascend Forum.
What will be the ratio of listenning....HT vs Music.

Yes, absolutely have to wall mount... the wall on which this all will be on has no room for anything floor standing... except maybe in one corner (where I might tuck the sub).

I'd say its 80-20, HT vs. Music.

If these aren't at their best as wall mounts, please let me know. Obviously I want to find speakers that would be best suited to my situation... as opposed to making a round peg fit in a square hole.

Thanks,
Frank
post #2607 of 3097
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Originally Posted by fmaz View Post

If these aren't at their best as wall mounts, please let me know. Obviously I want to find speakers that would be best suited to my situation... as opposed to making a round peg fit in a square hole.
It is not that they are not their best wall mounts, it is that they are not meant for the 340's.

This is the type of mount people have used for the 340's.

http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40B-Clamping-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B002UV03MW
post #2608 of 3097
Hi Frank,

We have many customers wall mounting the 340's. There is a dedicated "SE" thread here on AVS where there is more discussion about 340's. That said, here is a link to the brackets we recommend for the 340's (and also the Sierra-1). http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40B-Clamping-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B002UV03MW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349134464&sr=8-1&keywords=pinpoint+am-40

Hope this helps!
post #2609 of 3097
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Originally Posted by Ascend View Post

Hi Frank,
We have many customers wall mounting the 340's. There is a dedicated "SE" thread here on AVS where there is more discussion about 340's. That said, here is a link to the brackets we recommend for the 340's (and also the Sierra-1). http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40B-Clamping-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B002UV03MW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349134464&sr=8-1&keywords=pinpoint+am-40
Hope this helps!

Thanks David. I was also trying to determine the difference between the 340s and the Siera1 speakers as I make my decision.
post #2610 of 3097
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Originally Posted by fmaz View Post

I was also trying to determine the difference between the 340s and the Siera1 speakers as I make my decision.
What would you be using the speakers for? Ratio between HT and music?

The Sierra-1 is a better speaker overall, especially for critical listening. The 340 is no slouch either, and takes less power to reach louder levels.
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