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post #2701 of 3117
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I haven't upgraded to the Sierra-1's yet. I called yesterday to ask a few questions, one of them was if I the upgrade credit for the 170 SE's included the sales tax. I was told no, that I only get the $298 list price of the speakers back, so no sales tax or shipping. I called again today to ask if returning them within the 30 day audition period made a difference, but again was told that they do not refund the sales tax.

I what you stated above is what ends up happening then in the end I wouldn't be paying extra sales tax, I think.
The credit part makes sense, because then you would pay tax on the remainder, no matter if inside or outside the 30 day period.

Now if you were returning them and not upgrading, I would expect sales tax to be refunded as well.
post #2702 of 3117
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

The credit part makes sense, because then you would pay tax on the remainder, no matter if inside or outside the 30 day period.

Now if you were returning them and not upgrading, I would expect sales tax to be refunded as well.

Yep, with the credit applied sans sales tax the total price paid equals the price if I had only bought the SIerra-1s. I'm only out shipping.

Maybe Dina's answer to my sales tax question only applied to the upgrade not a return.

Thanks for helping me figure this out. Man my brain is fried from all this mulling over. rolleyes.gif
post #2703 of 3117
Now I have to figure out whether to go with a new pair in piano black or B-stock in gloss espresso. The espressos new are out of my reach. My only reservation about the piano black is whether or not the reflection will be distracting while watching TV.
post #2704 of 3117
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Thanks for helping me figure this out. Man my brain is fried from all this mulling over. rolleyes.gif
No problem. From all your posts, I can tell your brain has been in high gear!
post #2705 of 3117
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Now I have to figure out whether to go with a new pair in piano black or B-stock in gloss espresso. The espressos new are out of my reach. My only reservation about the piano black is whether or not the reflection will be distracting while watching TV.
After seeing both finishes, I would bet that if reflections are an issue for one, it will be with the other as well in your setup.

I will say that with usual placements of speakers in relationship to the TV, the angles usually do not cause a reflection that is bothersome at the seating positions.

Get a hand mirror and try it out.
post #2706 of 3117
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

No problem. From all your posts, I can tell your brain has been in high gear!

No doubt. There's definitely a hamster running a wheel inside there. biggrin.gif I'm trying to get this all figured out so I can get the piano blacks before the sale ends. I've nearly saved up enough. Fortunately Dina said that I could place and order now at the sale price and then they would hold shipping them until I have the funds, which hopefully will be in a week or two. The more I think about the Sierra-1's the more excited I get.
post #2707 of 3117
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Now I have to figure out whether to go with a new pair in piano black or B-stock in gloss espresso. The espressos new are out of my reach. My only reservation about the piano black is whether or not the reflection will be distracting while watching TV.

I would GUESS for the average home the front of the speakers would be the only thing you would see When Viewing. Monitor screen reflections are the more common problem. Go on and take the plunge. You will love the Sierra's smile.gif
post #2708 of 3117
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Originally Posted by tc1 View Post

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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Now I have to figure out whether to go with a new pair in piano black or B-stock in gloss espresso. The espressos new are out of my reach. My only reservation about the piano black is whether or not the reflection will be distracting while watching TV.

I would GUESS for the average home the front of the speakers would be the only thing you would see When Viewing. Monitor screen reflections are the more common problem. Go on and take the plunge. You will love the Sierra's smile.gif

My center sits below the tv on a stand a few inches below the lower edge of the tv (slightly angled upward, though) while originally had thought reflection might be an issue but have never had it cause any distraction (with the piano finish).
post #2709 of 3117
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Not me, use three subs myself. They're always on. Sierras (or most speakers really) just don't go low enough on their own for my taste.

What type of music do you listen to?

Mostly rock, jazz, classical, folk/bluegrass, pretty much anything but country/western (but some of that if it is actually good). I'm not going to delve into the various subgenres that have been invented over the last few years, either smile.gif
post #2710 of 3117
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I'm curious, how many of you are using the Sierra-1's without a subwoofer while listening to music? What about for HT?

For HT, I use a subwoofer. Really, this is mandatory. For music however, I often listen without the subwoofer on. I guess it depends on the music. If I'm listening to electronic or hip-hop it's better with the sub on. wink.gif
post #2711 of 3117
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

For HT, I use a subwoofer. Really, this is mandatory. For music however, I often listen without the subwoofer on. I guess it depends on the music. If I'm listening to electronic or hip-hop it's better with the sub on. wink.gif

I want to get a subwoofer at some point. I like so many genres of music, hip-hop being one of them, so I imagine I'd use it with that. I definitely want one for HT and games. I might have to wait a little longer to get one though, considering the price of the Sierra-1's. We'll see.

Speaking of subwoofers, what do you guys think should be the purchase order after the Sierra-1's - subwoofer then center or center then subwoofer?
post #2712 of 3117
My vote is for subwoofer then center.
post #2713 of 3117
postrokfan, in your sig it shows a CMT-340 SE center with the Sierra-1's. Why did you choose that over a Sierra-1 center? If you had the option would you still stick with 340 SE?
post #2714 of 3117
I see you changed your avatar to the Arsenal crest. wink.gif

I actually purchased the Sierra-1s originally for a 2-channel only setup. At the time I had the CBM-170SEs as fronts in the HT setup with the HTM-200SEs as surrounds. I feel the CMT-340SE works well with the Sierras.
post #2715 of 3117
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

I see you changed your avatar to the Arsenal crest. wink.gif

I actually purchased the Sierra-1s originally for a 2-channel only setup. At the time I had the CBM-170SEs as fronts in the HT setup with the HTM-200SEs as surrounds. I feel the CMT-340SE works well with the Sierras.

I thought you'd notice the crest. Your Liverpool crest inspired me. wink.gif

How long did you have the CBM-170 SE's in your HT setup? What's your opinion on the Sierra-1's vs the 170 SE's for HT? Big step-up with the Sierra-1's?

EDIT: Is there a way to black out the white bars on the sides of the Liverpool crest? IMO it would look better.
post #2716 of 3117
The CBM-170SEs are more efficient so they get louder with less effort. However, the Sierra-1s are a couple notches above in SQ even though they require a bit more power. They really shine with music though. I had the CBM-170SEs in the HT setup for over a year before moving the Sierras in.

Thanks for the tips on the crest. I will work on it. smile.gif
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post #2718 of 3117
Ok, you guys are killing me. Man U=pants.biggrin.gif
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Man Utd! Dang you RVP. They are my second favorite team behind Arsenal, so them having RVP is bittersweet.
post #2720 of 3117
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

The CBM-170SEs are more efficient so they get louder with less effort. However, the Sierra-1s are a couple notches above in SQ even though they require a bit more power. They really shine with music though. I had the CBM-170SEs in the HT setup for over a year before moving the Sierras in.

Thanks for the tips on the crest. I will work on it. smile.gif

Thanks. Output was one of my concerns with the Sierra-1's when I first considered them. Even though I only have a modest AVR, the Denon 1712 (90 WPC), from what I've read and been told it should be more than enough power to drive them to loud levels in my small room.
post #2721 of 3117
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Ok, you guys are killing me. Man U=pants.biggrin.gif

Hmm...maybe you're walking alone then? tongue.gif
post #2722 of 3117
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

The credit part makes sense, because then you would pay tax on the remainder, no matter if inside or outside the 30 day period.

Now if you were returning them and not upgrading, I would expect sales tax to be refunded as well.

Curtis is correct, sales tax is not refunded on a trade-in return as you simply pay the sales tax on the remainder of the balance due. Which would work out to be the same amount of sales tax as if you purchased the Sierra-1 outright.

For return refunds, sales tax is always refunded in full.
post #2723 of 3117
I just setup my LCR Seirra-1s and I tested them out with a HK 254, I think it's rated 60wpc, I set them up in a pretty big room, I think it's about 25ft by 25ft and 16 ft ceilings and seating is about 20ft back from the center channel and they had no problem filling it, from what I read to fill that big of a space I'd need towers and a bigger center but the Sierra-1 didn't even break a sweat. I was also very impressed with the Seirra-1s ability to play at low volumes and not lose detail or did I have a hard time understanding the dialog. I have them in a smaller room now but I honestly think they shined better in bigger rooms, not that they lack in smaller rooms.

Now to get a new AVR that isn't buggy or a better sub with my tax return.
post #2724 of 3117
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

My vote is for subwoofer then center.

+1
post #2725 of 3117
@p3Orion,

What speaker setup do you have now? 2.0, 4.0 ...?
post #2726 of 3117
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Originally Posted by tc1 View Post

@p3Orion,

What speaker setup do you have now? 2.0, 4.0 ...?

Ascend CBM-170 SE's in a 2.0 setup.
post #2727 of 3117
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

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Originally Posted by tc1 View Post

@p3Orion,

What speaker setup do you have now? 2.0, 4.0 ...?

Ascend CBM-170 SE's in a 2.0 setup.

Personally I would definitely move 170 to surround, Sierra to main, get SW next then center. Good center is a very positive addition on movies but to me a decent SW is more important as long as the mains are not to far apart like each side of monitor. You could maybe get a less expensive center, under $100, for now and a good one later when the budget can handle it. There are those who will swear that it has to be a certain configuration with very specific models on all components. IMHO most of us have to work within a budget and make compromises that are subjective within that budget.
post #2728 of 3117
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Originally Posted by tc1 View Post

Personally I would definitely move 170 to surround, Sierra to main, get SW next then center. Good center is a very positive addition on movies but to me a decent SW is more important as long as the mains are not to far apart like each side of monitor. You could maybe get a less expensive center, under $100, for now and a good one later when the budget can handle it. There are those who will swear that it has to be a certain configuration with very specific models on all components. IMHO most of us have to work within a budget and make compromises that are subjective within that budget.

I appreciate your suggestions, but I'm only going with a 3.1 setup for various reasons - small room, placement issues, budget. I'm upgrading the 170 SE's to the Sierra-1's. I think I can get away with a center for longer due to close placement of my mains (5-6 ft apart) and the fact that I sit centered or just off center. It seems that a subwoofer would give me the biggest gain. I plan to eventually get a center. There are several subs I'm looking at - SVS SB-1000/PB1000, HSU VTF-1 MK2, Outlaw LFM-1 Plus, revamped Rythmik FV12. I'm saving up and also waiting for reviews of the SVS SB-1000/PB-1000 and soon-to-be released Rythmik FV12 revamp.
post #2729 of 3117
Can't speak to the others but again I had a Polk SW before which was ok but my new SVS SB 1000s have really impressed me especially at their size and price level.
post #2730 of 3117
Heard the FV12 and it sounded really good. Blended extremely well with the HT set up.
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