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post #421 of 518
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Originally Posted by bdizzle View Post

whenever i tried it (i think it was slide show 1) i got an error message saying there was a network connection blah blah blah so i assumed it wasnt working. ill get it another shot when i get home.

I get that error when I try to open things in the wrong format, or if I try to open stuff in the wrong XMB icon (like videos in the music menu, or vice versa)

Make sure you're in the Photo icon menu, and find your pics.
Should work fine. Does for me on XP Pro.

Give it a few seconds to find your pics if the loadings seems slow at first. It's fast after that.
post #422 of 518
InfernoSoul, are you switching smoothing on and off while the games are playing or are you actually going back to the XMB? I ask b/c one guy said he was switching the scaling for dvds while they were playing.
post #423 of 518
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Originally Posted by Protopet View Post

InfernoSoul, are you switching smoothing on and off while the games are playing or are you actually going back to the XMB? I ask b/c one guy said he was switching the scaling for dvds while they were playing.

You have to completely quit out of the game and switch it then reload the game. With the DVD's you can just hit stop goto the XMB change the way it scales then load the dvd where you stopped it.
post #424 of 518
So can anyone confirm which movie formats the PS3 WILL stream?

Also, anyway to make it put MP3s in the right order? So far, the update has given us the basic features, but not pushed on enough to make them actually useful. It's like they're teasing us !
post #425 of 518
So should smoothing be on?(It looks like it should from the pics) What setting do you guys have for the PS/PS2 scaling?
post #426 of 518
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Originally Posted by vincentnyc View Post

u also owe me an apolgy.

Um...yeah....I'll get right on that.

No apology, but I am willing to throw a couple of extra vowels I have lying around so you can complete words, though. How does two 'o's and a 'Y' sound, instead?
post #427 of 518
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Originally Posted by Protopet View Post

So should smoothing be on?(It looks like it should from the pics) What setting do you guys have for the PS/PS2 scaling?

Yes smoothing should be on, reduces jaggies quite a bit. I have it set on "Smoothing" and "Fullscreen" for scaling.
post #428 of 518
What is the difference between the two options for the game scaling?
post #429 of 518
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Originally Posted by Protopet View Post

What is the difference between the two options for the game scaling?

I thought there were 3: Normal, Full, and Double? Which should be used for different types of games (ie 4:3 games use "blank"/16:9 games use "blank"). Which should be used for DVD playback?

I have a 42' Aquos 1080p. I have not had time to tinker with this update. Any suggestions on what settings I should use would save me a lot of time when I get home to start watching movies and playing games.
post #430 of 518
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Originally Posted by bassmonkeee View Post

Shouldn't you be bugging Westinghouse about this problem? Since there are plenty of brands of HDTVs that work without incident with the PS3, it seems logical to me that the fault lies with Westinghouse--not Sony.

I wouldn't hold your breath for Sony to address or fix this problem with a specific brand of TV.


this isnt only westy problem..if u do a lil research on this forum before u start opening ur lil mouth..u would know other tv brands also have this problem too.

btw..by the looks of it...sony did fix the problem according to everyone who has this problem in the past.
post #431 of 518
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Originally Posted by MaliciousBraham View Post

I'm not arguing on this one, I happen to be a hardware engineer who has done HDMI, I know how it works at the electron level.

so what u saying the other brands is also "broke" since u saying westy is "broke"? so there must be alot broken tv out there?
post #432 of 518
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Originally Posted by tneck View Post

I thought there were 3: Normal, Full, and Double? Which should be used for different types of games (ie 4:3 games use "blank"/16:9 games use "blank"). Which should be used for DVD playback?

Double is for upscaling on DVDs(to 1080p I think).
post #433 of 518
I only had time to sample one game with the update, GTA: San Andreas.
With the default settings, the game booted up in 1080i upscaled but to my horror, was displayed in a 4x3 image (black bars on either side).
I'm guessing I need to change a setting to get it to fill the screen.
post #434 of 518
A little off topic, but what does "Enable WMA Playback" and "Enable ATRAC" do?
Thanks
post #435 of 518
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post


the other setting is you can turn on/off Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-white (HDMI); wth is this?

Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI)

Super-white signal can now be output when playing Blu-ray Discs (BDs), DVDs or AVCHD discs.

Off Disable super-white output.
On Enable super-white output.

Notes

If image quality is reduced or if the image does not look right when this option is set to [On], set to [Off].
This setting can be used only when [HDMI] has been selected in [Video Output Settings] under (Settings) >
(Display Settings). Also, [Automatic]* or [Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr] must be selected in [BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI)] under (Settings) > (BD/DVD Settings).
* The TV in use must support Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr input signals.

About x.v.Color

When [Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI)] is set to [On], video content from AVCHD discs recorded in x.v.Color can be played with a wide color scale.

Notes

A TV that is compatible with x.v.Color (xvYCC) must be connected using an HDMI cable.
An AVCHD disc that was recorded in x.v.Color must be used.
The x.v.Color logo can be found on devices that support "xvYCC," which is an international standard for color space in moving images. An advantage of x.v.Color is that it can reproduce a wider color scale than the conventional standard.

x.v.Color" and are trademarks of Sony Corporation.
post #436 of 518
PS/PS2 Upscaler
You can adjust settings to upscale video output from PlayStation®2 and PlayStation® format software.

Off Disable upscaled output.

Normal Upscale and display at a size that matches the screen size.
Full Screen Upscale and display at full screen by changing proportions and stretching the image.

Note

If image quality is reduced or the image does not look right when upscaled, set this option to [Off].
PS/PS2 Smoothing
You can adjust settings to reduce the roughness of video from PlayStation®2 and PlayStation® format software.

Off Disable smoothing.
On Use smoothing to reduce the roughness of the displayed image.

Notes

The [PS/PS2 Smoothing] setting can be used even when [PS/PS2 Upscaler] is set to [Off].
With some software, the smoothing effect may not be noticeable or image quality may be reduced if this option is set to [On]. In that case, set to [Off].

Upscaling DVD output

[DVD Upscaler] has been added as an option in (BD/DVD Settings) under (Settings). You can adjust settings for upscaled output of DVDs.

Off Disable upscaled output.
Double Scale* Upscale and display with double horizontal and vertical dimensions without changing the proportions.
Normal Upscale and display at a size that matches the screen size.
Full Screen Upscale and display at full screen by changing proportions and stretching the image.

* This option can be used only when the PS3 system is set to output video at 1080p or 1080i via an HDMI or component AV cable.

Notes

When playing copyright-protected DVD content such as the content on commercially available DVD-Video, an HDMI cable is required to upscale the video content.
If image quality is reduced or the image does not look right when upscaled, set this option to [Off].

Settings

BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI)
[BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI)] has been added as an option in (BD/DVD Settings) under (Settings).

Set whether to use 1080p 24 Hz video output mode for output of Blu-ray Disc (BD) video.

Automatic Automatically switch the video output mode to match the TV that is connected.
Off Output BD video at the maximum resolution that has been selected in the video output settings of the PS3 system. (The video output will not be displayed at 1080p 24 Hz.)

Notes
This setting can be used only when [HDMI] has been selected in [Video Output Settings] under (Settings) >
(Display Settings).
The TV or AV amplifier (receiver) that is being used must support 1080p 24 Hz video mode. For details, refer to the instructions for the device in use.
The BD in use must also support 1080p 24 Hz video mode. Generally, video is recorded in 1080p 24 Hz resolution for commercially available BD video software (BD-ROM) on which "1080p" is displayed as the recording mode.
If video does not display correctly when [Automatic] is selected, set this option to [Off].

RGB Full Range (HDMI)

[RGB Full Range (HDMI)] has been added as an option in (Display Settings) under (Settings).

If [Full] is set when using a TV that supports RGB full range, the picture quality of the game or video may be improved.

Limited RGB output signal is output in the range from 16 to 235.
Full RGB output signal is output in the range from 0 to 255.

Notes

If black sometimes appears bright and sometimes appears pale on the screen when [Limited] is selected, set this option to [Full].
If black appears dull on the screen when [Full] is selected, set this option to [Limited].
This setting can be used only when [HDMI] has been selected in [Video Output Settings] under (Settings) >
(Display Settings).

More info here:

http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/ne...e.html#upscale
post #437 of 518
Glad the descriptions are up. I guess my only question is whether my TV supports
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr or RGB. I'll have to play around with it tonight.
post #438 of 518
My PS1/PS2 upscaling verdict? Meh.

When I saw earlier postings of 1080 PS2 screenshots, it looked like the EE emulation was actually rendering the 3D data in HD. In reality, 1.8 just upscales the SD output to HD, which isn't very impressive. Oh well.

- Jer
post #439 of 518
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Originally Posted by Amon37 View Post

Glad the descriptions are up. I guess my only question is whether my TV supports
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr or RGB. I'll have to play around with it tonight.

I'm curious about this too. Which is the more advanced color scheme I wonder? I've got my HDTV's 100+ page PDF manual and I can't find anything about the colorspace....
post #440 of 518
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

I'm curious about this too. Which is the more advanced color scheme I wonder? I've got my HDTV's 100+ page PDF manual and I can't find anything about the colorspace....

Since it is a sony design:

x.v.Color" and are trademarks of Sony Corporation.

A TV that is compatible with x.v.Color (xvYCC) must be connected using an HDMI cable.
An AVCHD disc that was recorded in x.v.Color must be used.
The x.v.Color logo can be found on devices that support "xvYCC," which is an international standard for color space in moving images. An advantage of x.v.Color is that it can reproduce a wider color scale than the conventional standard.


I assume only Sony tvs will have this.
post #441 of 518
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Originally Posted by mightymaccers View Post

This is because the PS3 outputs in Component when playing Video - this RGB setting is related to non-video only (as the PS3 outputs in RGB for this). You could of course change your settings from Automatic to RGB under DVD/BR Playback.

The output reverts to limited (even when the setting still says "full") regardless if BD/DVD output is set to RGB or YPbPr. YPbPr range looks great for video, but going back to the XMB reverts the setting that made RGB look good as well.

I wish there was a way to get the XMB and all games to be output in Y/Pb/Pr over HDMI. If they can do it over component, why not HDMI? That would solve my contrast problem related to not outputting the full range (0-255) and clipping blacks with RGB on my Aquos 62U.
post #442 of 518
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Originally Posted by JesusisGod View Post

Since it is a sony design:

x.v.Color" and are trademarks of Sony Corporation.

A TV that is compatible with x.v.Color (xvYCC) must be connected using an HDMI cable.
An AVCHD disc that was recorded in x.v.Color must be used.
The x.v.Color logo can be found on devices that support "xvYCC," which is an international standard for color space in moving images. An advantage of x.v.Color is that it can reproduce a wider color scale than the conventional standard.


I assume only Sony tvs will have this.


Thanks JesusisGod! All that information cleared up a lot of my questions, much appreicated!
post #443 of 518
This is confusing me.

Does this at all help us lowely 1080i owners? Since it can upscale to 1080p at least old games, like PS1 and PS2, that should mean it can upscale to 1080i right?

And if it can do that does this mean there might really be a fix for regular PS3 games that are native 720p to be upscaled to 1080i one day to?

Or am I just getting my hopes up...
post #444 of 518
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Originally Posted by bruhoho View Post

The output reverts to limited (even when the setting still says "full") regardless if BD/DVD output is set to RGB or YPbPr. YPbPr range looks great for video, but going back to the XMB reverts the setting that made RGB look good as well.

I haven't had this problem. The RGB mode stays in "Full" even if the PS3 is powered off.

My settings are:

RGB color mode "Full"
Super White: "Off"
BD/DVD HDMI output: Automatic (which is RGB in my case, my TV doesn't support HDMI YPb/PrCb/Cr)
post #445 of 518
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Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R View Post

This is confusing me.

Does this at all help us lowely 1080i owners? Since it can upscale to 1080p at least old games, like PS1 and PS2, that should mean it can upscale to 1080i right?

And if it can do that does this mean there might really be a fix for regular PS3 games that are native 720p to be upscaled to 1080i one day to?

Or am I just getting my hopes up...

I can't say for sure but I think the PS1/2 scaling is done through software using the Cell. There's plenty of extra horsepower to do this with older games but it would more difficult to do while a PS3 game is running.
post #446 of 518
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Originally Posted by Slacker George View Post

I haven't had this problem. The RGB mode stays in "Full" even if the PS3 is powered off.

My settings are:

RGB color mode "Full"
Super White: "Off"
BD/DVD HDMI output: Automatic (which is RGB in my case, my TV doesn't support HDMI YPb/PrCb/Cr)

The setting still is set as full, but the actual output definitely is not full range after powering off or watching a video.

Do you see a difference in the XMB or games (both RGB) on your display when switching between "Full" and "Limited"? On my Aquos, Limited outputs greyish blacks while Full gives the deep blacks.

Here's how I tested it:
1. Start with the setting at "Limited"
2. Switch it to "Full"
=> if your display supports it, you should see darker blacks with no clipping to grey
3. Turn off console and turn it back on
=> notice the setting still indicates "Full", but blacks look grey
4. Switch to "Limited"
=> blacks don't change, still grey
5. Switch to "Full"
=> blacks look black again

I'm so glad that they added this feature, but extremely frustrated at this bug with not keeping the setting!
post #447 of 518
Probably fix it with 1.81. ^^^

Look on the store for new stuff today. I d/l a Uncharted video and now Warhawk beta.
post #448 of 518
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Originally Posted by bruhoho View Post

The setting still is set as full, but the actual output definitely is not full range after powering off or watching a video.

Do you see a difference in the XMB or games (both RGB) on your display when switching between "Full" and "Limited"? On my Aquos, Limited outputs greyish blacks while Full gives the deep blacks.

Yeah I made sure to check. I used the THX test pattern to see if the blacker than black portion is still visible. Also when I switch back to limited the screen gets lighter. I'm using a CRT. Guess there's still some glitches in it with some sets.
post #449 of 518
This is probably gonna sound like a dumb question, but how can we tell if our TV supports Y PB/CB Pr/Cr or RGB? And is it possible for TV's (LCDs?) to support both?
post #450 of 518
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Originally Posted by JE3146 View Post

Whats stopping 720p playback?

If your TV is 1080, you don't want the PS3 to scale to 720 then have your TV scale again to 1080.

Ideally, with DVD's 480i format and a 1080 television, you want to deinterlace to 480p then scale to 1080p. That can be done in one device or two devices, but you want each operation done only once and in that order. Whatever you have to do with your setup to get that to happen will give you the best picture.
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