Official Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) Owner's Thread - Page 7

Originally Posted by Ace_of_Sevens

@cosmogeek: component doesn't have offline signaling to say what teh aspect ration is. You'd have to manually change it no matter what TV you have unless you have a player that's doing the changes itself.

No luck on the QAM. I just scanned a third time, and as before there are no QAM channels coming up.

Originally Posted by jbradg

My experience with DD5.1 has not been good. First, it appears the Time Warner 8300HD DVR won't pass DD5.1 out the HDMI port to the TX 47 then onto my receiver, even with the TV set at External for the audio. My new upconvert DVD connected via HDMI behaves the same way... no DD5.1 passthrough to my receiver. I did have a Samsung that was giving me other grief that would pass it through if I selected the bitstream mode instead of PCM, but the TV wouldn't play the audio (didn't care though) and I did get a message breifly that said HDMI audio not supported. But, I had other locking up issues with that DVD player.

So, my experience with HDMI hasn't been a good one when it comes to audio. I could go with an HDMI "aware" receiver, but I think I will just switch the video with the TV and run all the audio optically directly to my receiver.

Originally Posted by 2panther

I walked in to Best Buy with my 42" LVM monitor and walked out with the TX-47F430S today on an even exchange by utilizing my PSP from them that I got when purchased the set.

Originally Posted by alucard_x

What's a 'PSP'?

Originally Posted by nibbs159

Does anyone know if the HDMI handshake negociates different audio formats? If this is the case, I believe the TV is negociating stereo pcm with devices over HDMI. I did some testing with my cable box and dvd player yesterday and they would only send stereo audio over HDMI to the TV which then passed it to my receiver. Perhaps a firmware update could allow us to set which sort of audio is negociated over HDMI. On the other hand, the TV might need a dolby digital decoder otherwise they could end up with a lot of customer confusion as to why they don't get dolby digital audio from their TV speakers...

Originally Posted by flabioh

I believe he is referring to the Play Station Portable.

Originally Posted by cozmogeek

I calibrated mine last night with digital video essentials.. the color was WAY off out of the box.

Originally Posted by FFMooglestar


or perhaps a typo and he meant PRP (Product Replacement Plan).

Originally Posted by alucard_x

What's a 'PSP'?

Originally Posted by flabioh

From my understanding HDMI does negotiate different audio modes. However, I believe the problem is deeper than HDMI since the QAM tuner also outputs 2 channels instead of 5.1. I believe it to be something wrong with whatever is driving the optical output of the TV. I don't see any reason why this would not be fixable through a firmware update. Hopefully HuggyBear gets somewhere with Westinghouse Support.

Originally Posted by jbradg

My cable box manual states (not to be taken as fact because Time Warner may have modified some of its capabilities) that if I put the HD DVR in DD mode, it will send DD out all the ports, including the HDMI port. A friend of mine also stated that his understanding is that HDMI does negotiate the audio capabilites of the first device it is connected to. I am hoping Westinghouse does make a fix so that maybe if you select External for the audio, it just passes the audio (DD5.1) directly to the device attached to the digital out connection without interfering with it.

Originally Posted by flabioh

The only potential problem I could see with that is that there are two audio outputs on the TX: Digital and Analog. The Analog is obviously 2-channel through RCA so if you tried to pass the DD5.1 out of the analog outputs it definitely wouldn't work. Has anyone tested the analog out to see if it works at all. Maybe ProLogicII audio would suffice until this get resolved. Maybe they screwed something up between the two audio outputs?

Originally Posted by cozmogeek

I think I found another firmware problem this morning.

When my wife tried to turn the tv on it wouldn't recognize anything plugged into the HDMI ports. My dvd player and cable box wouldn't work. The TV acted like there was no signal. My component in was still working, but the HDMI wouldn't work until I pulled the power plug on the tv to reset it.

I'm not sure what actions I may have taken which led to this (I was messing with the 480p stretch problem with my xbox last night before I turned it off). The TV doesn't really turn off, it just goes into standby. If this continues to be a problem I think there's a menu option to make it actually turn off instead of go to standby.

Originally Posted by jbradg

You know, I've had that HDMI source issue at least twice. It wouldn't lock onto the HDMI source when I was switching back and forth between devices. As for the power off, you can change it to Energy Save mode (or something like that) in the power menu. However, it sure takes a long time for the TV to come on when in that setting, but I've left it in energy save mode.

Originally Posted by Ace_of_Sevens


On 480P fill mode, I seem to get 0% overscan on the sides of the picture, but about 5% on the top and bottom. Is there any way to fix this?

When calibrating with DVE, I was able to get the blue nearly perfect and the red pretty close, but the green seems significantly off. I can see green in what's supposedly a magenta secton of the test pattern when using the filters.

Black levels are nowhere near actually black, but I suppose that's just how LCDs are. I'd rather have that than a picture which will be notable degraded in 4 years or so.

There are no dead or stuck pixels so far as I can see.

I get visual ringing with 1080P sources on component. I assume this isn't the TVs fault. It's my switch, but I'd hate to have to reach around the TV whenever I want to switch sources. I may just have to upgrade to a 360 Elite.

Originally Posted by huggybear

I emailed Westinghouse about the SPDIF audio out... I mentioned this site and how this is a concern to many people contemplating buying a unit so hopefully I get a good response.

This is my understanding of how the audio works -

In the menu, you can select whether HDMI uses digital or analog audio. If you select digital, the TX expects to receive audio as well as video from the HDMI input. If you select analog, the RCA audio inputs that go with the HDMI connection are activated and the TX expects to receive the audio from there. This would be used if you are only passing video via the hdmi connection.

I don't believe that this has anything to do with the SPDIF output... if you select the speakers as "mixed" or "external", audio will be passed via the SPDIF out.

I was under the impression that the SPDIF out ONLY passes audio that is coming in from the tuner - I didn't even think it would pass audio coming in from another source such as HDMI ... so far I have only been able to get 2 channel audio from the SPDIF out from the tuner - it did not pass audio that was coming in from my PS3 via HDMI.

Has anyone passed audio out of the SPDIF out from a source other than the tuner?

Originally Posted by Xcalibur_255

Fill mode includes overscan and this is deliberate by design. You shouldn't ever need to use FILL unless the noise present at the edges of analog broadcasts bothers you. STANDARD is your friend, unless you want to stretch the image with the strangely named OVERSCAN mode.

Originally Posted by Xcalibur_255

Fill mode includes overscan and this is deliberate by design. You shouldn't ever need to use FILL unless the noise present at the edges of analog broadcasts bothers you. STANDARD is your friend, unless you want to stretch the image with the strangely named OVERSCAN mode.

Note that the calibration screen in DVE you reference is meant to set color and tint using only the blue channel. There is a little bit of overlap on those color bars so that might be what's confusing you with the green/magenta thing. The colors are there to indicate color decoding accuracy via use of the filters. If the red bar looks identical to the background when viewed through the red filter then red decoding is accurate on the set. Same for green. If this is what you've checked then that is troubling. Green decoding push is bad news.

Yes the blacks will visibly glow, but this is greatly reduced by using the proper amount of backlighting for your viewing environment. Unless you have the room lighting on the backlight should always be set to the minimum setting for a dim room. Even this is still too bright for movie viewing.

If you see ringing it means you're introducing edge enhancement through the sharpness control. That control should be set to 0 unless Westinghouse has chosen to (stupidly) set the zero point at the middle of the scale, in this case 50.

Originally Posted by cozmogeek

That's what I've been saying. However, connect a 16:9 source to the component input (480p or 480i) and the tv will add the black bars to the sides when in "normal" mode.

Originally Posted by cozmogeek

That's what I've been saying. However, connect a 16:9 source to the component input (480p or 480i) and the tv will add the black bars to the sides when in "normal" mode.

Originally Posted by milicz

That's because their is no such thing as a 16:9 480p or 480i source. Widescreen DVD's are actually encoded in 4:3 and they are then stretched to 16:9 proportions.

Originally Posted by jbradg

I am able to get audio out the SPDIF connector from an HDMI source, but it's 2-channel audio... my TWC HD DVR and my new Sony upconvert DVD player. However, when I had my Samsung upconvert DVD player connected HDMI and had it configured what it called Bitstream, instead of PCM, it DID play DD5.1 to my receiver, but no sound out of the TV, even in the Mixed setting. I also got a message on the screen (I think from the DVD player) that stated HDMI audio not supported, but it did work. Weird, I know.

Originally Posted by jbradg

You know, I've had that HDMI source issue at least twice. It wouldn't lock onto the HDMI source when I was switching back and forth between devices. As for the power off, you can change it to Energy Save mode (or something like that) in the power menu. However, it sure takes a long time for the TV to come on when in that setting, but I've left it in energy save mode.

Originally Posted by milicz

That's because their is no such thing as a 16:9 480p or 480i source. Widescreen DVD's are actually encoded in 4:3 and they are then stretched to 16:9 proportions.

Originally Posted by milicz

That's because their is no such thing as a 16:9 480p or 480i source. Widescreen DVD's are actually encoded in 4:3 and they are then stretched to 16:9 proportions.

Originally Posted by aindik

One workaround is to use an upconverting DVD player. If the DVD player is sending a 720p, 1080i or 1080p signal, the TV will think that's a widescreen signal and display the picture properly.

Originally Posted by HUMM3

i'm beginning to think that hdmi can be more of a problem than it's worth. i mean all it really does is reduce the number of cables. i tend to stay away from it.

Originally Posted by wmcclain

That's not quite right. Both 4:3 and 16:9 source formats have been available to DVDs from day 1. Many older widescreen titles are encoded as 4:3 letterboxed, but all anamorphic titles are encoded 16:9.

480i/p signals can be 16:9.

-Bill

Originally Posted by aindik

Apparently, some DVD players know how to tell a TV that it should stretch this content, and some TVs know how to listen for that signal. Apparently, these Westinghouse TVs don't know how to listen for that message, so they display everything they get that's 4:3 in a 4:3 box, unless you use "Fill."

One workaround is to use an upconverting DVD player. If the DVD player is sending a 720p, 1080i or 1080p signal, the TV will think that's a widescreen signal and display the picture properly.