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post #211 of 6156
The sides are uncropped. So it's stretching vertically, but not by any obscene amount. It's the lost picture that bothers me.

milicz: no signal is in any aspect ratio. It's not like film where it's a physical object. It's purely a matter of what the software and hardware do with when decoding it. 4x3 was the standard for a while, but the information is no more a particular aspect ratio than it is a particular size. Neither 4:3 nor 16:9 DVDs use square pixel, though HD formats do. There are plenty of 480p sources that are supposed to be widescreen. Westinghouse needs to fix this.
post #212 of 6156
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Originally Posted by cozmogeek View Post

I think I found another firmware problem this morning.

When my wife tried to turn the tv on it wouldn't recognize anything plugged into the HDMI ports. My dvd player and cable box wouldn't work. The TV acted like there was no signal. My component in was still working, but the HDMI wouldn't work until I pulled the power plug on the tv to reset it.

Hello again,

Its been a wild ride, but I'm back.

This sounds like the "NO SIGNAL DETECTED" issue I was getting after plugging my DELL E1705 (Nvidia GO 7800 & GO 7800 GTX video cards) via DVI-HDMI to the TX47.

After a short time(a minute or so)....the laptop(s) would shut down, for absolutely no reason(HDCP kickback signal from the TX47 via HDMI?).

I, then, would power the laptop and try to reconnect the DVI-HDMI cable & the adjust the Nvidia display settings without any luck...and again, "NO SIGNAL DETECTED" on the HDMI input.

Also, I did receive the same issue while connecting my HD Cable receiver (Explorer 3250HD) via DVI-HDMI cable...it would display a signal for a second or two and then kick back an error code "Your HDTV does not support HDCP, please use component input"

This does not happen with either of the LVM47 I have now.
This is the primary reason I returned the TX47 for another(the last one in my state) LVM47 model.


In addition, the LVM47 shines as a PC MONITOR and handles deep crimson,blue/blacks and brilliant whites well.


I did not test this fix, prior to my TX47 exchange for the last LVM47 in my state(Floor Model with FIRMWARE(1.04)

BAH! This firmware(1.04) carries the dreaded remote recognition failure, so it is incredibly hard to use the remote with this firmware. By the way, The other LVM-47w1 has FIRMWARE 1.05 and it works great!):

" but the HDMI wouldn't work until I pulled the power plug on the tv to reset it. "

I am interested in hearing what solutions have been found, firmware updates and other experiences.

~b3nz0n8
post #213 of 6156
So, how does this set handle 480p/i material? Would it be worth it for me to buy an upconverting dvd player or could I continue to use my old sony 480i player with good results?
post #214 of 6156
anyone have some calibration settings for this set using HDMI 1?
post #215 of 6156
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Originally Posted by Ace_of_Sevens View Post

milicz: no signal is in any aspect ratio. It's not like film where it's a physical object. It's purely a matter of what the software and hardware do with when decoding it. 4x3 was the standard for a while, but the information is no more a particular aspect ratio than it is a particular size. Neither 4:3 nor 16:9 DVDs use square pixel, though HD formats do. There are plenty of 480p sources that are supposed to be widescreen. Westinghouse needs to fix this.

Like I said, I'm not an expert, but this is straight from the most trusted source on the net Wikipedia:

Quote:
Anamorphic widescreen is a video encoding technique used to optimize the vertical picture resolution of widescreen images by squeezing these horizontally into a 4:3 native aspect ratio.

DVDs using anamorphic widescreen make effective use of the available resolution, as well as allowing a film to automatically expand to fit widescreen television sets. Anamorphic widescreen DVDs make more optimal use of vertical resolution by avoiding or decreasing wasted lines on the black letterboxing bars. This is accomplished by electronically scaling the 16:9 image to the DVD-standard 4:3 ratio (with either NTSC or PAL resolution). This creates a vertical stretching of the image, as the horizontal pixel resolution is always at full-width. Sources that are close to 16:9 can be transferred to DVD taking up the entire 16:9 frame with no wasted space.
post #216 of 6156
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Originally Posted by thepsychochiapet View Post

So, how does this set handle 480p/i material? Would it be worth it for me to buy an upconverting dvd player or could I continue to use my old sony 480i player with good results?

Go read the previous couple pages of this thread. It basically doesn't handle it at all. The fill mode required to make 16:9 480p/i material fit on the screen looks bad, and crops the top and bottom off the picture.
post #217 of 6156
I've emailed Westinghouse to complain about the green push, the fill mode and my inability to receive QAM. I'll keep you posted.
post #218 of 6156
Thread Starter 
Good news - I can confirm that the TX-47's SPDIF output IS capable of passing through DD 5.1 surround sound! I was able to get the TX-47 to ouput DD 5.1 from my PS3.

First, under Settings->BD/DVD Settings, I changed BD/DVD Audio Ouput Format (HDMI) to "Bitstream". Then, under Settings->Sound Settings->Audio Ouput Settings->HDMI, I chose "Manual" as the method for setting the output format. Once you choose Manual you are taken to a long list of output formats where you individually select the ones you wish to enable. Linear PCM 2 Ch. 44.1khz and 48khz are selected by default and cannot be unselected. Here I also selected "Dolby Digital 5.1 Ch." and "DTS 5.1 Ch." and tada - I was playing Ridge Racer 7 in 1080p with 5.1 DD surround and grinning from ear to ear

However, I am not overly thrilled about this because with most devices (such as the PS3) you could easily run an optical cable directly to your audio receiver. I am much more concerned about the fact that I still have not been able to pass through 5.1 surround from the tuner - I have tried with both QAM and OTA... they both only pass through 2 channels, even though I know the show was being broadcast in 5.1. Obviously when using the tuner there are no other audio options... so unless the TX wants to play nice and pass through 5.1, we are out of luck!!

At any rate, at least we know that it isn't a hardware limitation.... hopefully Westinghouse gets back to me soon.
post #219 of 6156
BENZONATE, thanks for all the info. One favor. Could you not post in multi-color unless there is a really specific compelling reason. If you're using the default god awful ugly black and yellow theme I guess it looks fine, but if you change the theme (as I have) your posts become practically unreadable, especially white and yellow text.
post #220 of 6156
I am confused as to which input to connect my pc's graphic card to.
I could get a DVI TO HDMI cable and connect to the TVs HDMI input.
That would be a digital connection instead of the analogue VGA input.
But why wouldn't Westinghouse tell us that in the manual? Maybe
there is no significant difference?
post #221 of 6156
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Originally Posted by cbeyond View Post

I am confused as to which input to connect my pc's graphic card to.
I could get a DVI TO HDMI cable and connect to the TVs HDMI input.
That would be a digital connection instead of the analogue VGA input.
But why wouldn't Westinghouse tell us that in the manual? Maybe
there is no significant difference?

Hello cbeyond,

Check out this thread(link below) and POST #969 (with picture)

LINK:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&page=33&pp=30

~"On both the TX & LVM lines...I also receive some blur. I can compare this to the DVI-DVI output from my Dell E1705(Nvidia GO 7800 video card) to the LVM-47w1.

VGA-VGA results in a slight text blur, as if the red is offset a bit. This is on both the TX & LVM series and produce the same results.

(PICTURE OF TX-47F430s text blur ~ this also occurs via VGA on the LVM-47w1):




DVI-DVI is simply *CRYSTAL CLEAR* on the (LVM-47w1)



My Setup(s):
Dell E1705/9400's with:
Video card: Nvidia GO 7800 & Nvidia GO 7800 GTX

Both work via VGA-VGA with multiple resolutions to choose from and adjustemtents in the menu.

SUCCESS with the GO 7800 via (LVM-47w1) :
1) DVI-DVI (LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC)
2) DVI-HDMI (LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC)
3) VGA-VGA (LVM-47w1) & (TX-47F430s) with BLUR (text & photo)

SUCCESS with the GO 7800 GTX:
1) VGA-VGA (ONLY) with BLUR(text & photo)

I will be testing all weekend...more to come.

~b3nz0n8
post #222 of 6156
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Originally Posted by pkscout View Post

BENZONATE, thanks for all the info. One favor. Could you not post in multi-color unless there is a really specific compelling reason. If you're using the default god awful ugly black and yellow theme I guess it looks fine, but if you change the theme (as I have) your posts become practically unreadable, especially white and yellow text.

My apologies pkscout,

All of those lengthy, colorful posts may have you feeling a bit woozy. I've been using the color as a quick reference for those pouring through the thread. I'll employ another method in the future. Thanks for the heads up,

~b3nz0n8
post #223 of 6156
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Originally Posted by BENZONATE View Post


VGA-VGA results in a slight text blur, as if the red is offset a bit. This is on both the TX & LVM series and produce the same results.

(PICTURE OF TX-47F430s text blur ~ this also occurs via VGA on the LVM-47w1):

FWIW I connected my laptop via VGA cable to the TX and looked very closely trying to find what you show in the picture and saw no sign of color seperation even when sticking my face right up to the screen running 1920x1080. It looked very clear. The WMV-HD 1080p samples blew me away.
post #224 of 6156
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Originally Posted by cozmogeek View Post

FWIW I connected my laptop via VGA cable to the TX and looked very closely trying to find what you show in the picture and saw no sign of color seperation even when sticking my face right up to the screen running 1920x1080. It looked very clear. The WMV-HD 1080p samples blew me away.

That is excellent! Xcalibur_255 mentioned in one of the threads, that experiences vary when using VGA.

In my experience, both panels (TX47 & LVM47) ended up with the red shift in the picture.

This leads me to believe that it is the signal output from my video card and needs some tweaking.

Thanks for the info, it is good to know and I do not want to mislead anyone.


~b3nz0n8
post #225 of 6156
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Originally Posted by huggybear View Post

Good news - I can confirm that the TX-47's SPDIF output IS capable of passing through DD 5.1 surround sound! I was able to get the TX-47 to ouput DD 5.1 from my PS3.

First, under Settings->BD/DVD Settings, I changed BD/DVD Audio Ouput Format (HDMI) to "Bitstream". Then, under Settings->Sound Settings->Audio Ouput Settings->HDMI, I chose "Manual" as the method for setting the output format. Once you choose Manual you are taken to a long list of output formats where you individually select the ones you wish to enable. Linear PCM 2 Ch. 44.1khz and 48khz are selected by default and cannot be unselected. Here I also selected "Dolby Digital 5.1 Ch." and "DTS 5.1 Ch." and tada - I was playing Ridge Racer 7 in 1080p with 5.1 DD surround and grinning from ear to ear

However, I am not overly thrilled about this because with most devices (such as the PS3) you could easily run an optical cable directly to your audio receiver. I am much more concerned about the fact that I still have not been able to pass through 5.1 surround from the tuner - I have tried with both QAM and OTA... they both only pass through 2 channels, even though I know the show was being broadcast in 5.1. Obviously when using the tuner there are no other audio options... so unless the TX wants to play nice and pass through 5.1, we are out of luck!!

At any rate, at least we know that it isn't a hardware limitation.... hopefully Westinghouse gets back to me soon.

I think it has something to do with the TV not recognizing the "Bitstream" mode so it passes it through. I still think my problems are more with the way HDMI works rather than a problem with the TV. I cannot get my Sony upconvert DVD player or my cable box to push DD5.1 to the TV via HDMI and out the SPDIF connector. My plan is to do separate audio to my receiver and maybe later find a good HDMI aware receiver that will do my A/V switching like I did when I was running all S-video. So much for my plan of using the TV as my A/V switcher.
post #226 of 6156
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Originally Posted by huggybear View Post

Good news - I can confirm that the TX-47's SPDIF output IS capable of passing through DD 5.1 surround sound! I was able to get the TX-47 to ouput DD 5.1 from my PS3.

First, under Settings->BD/DVD Settings, I changed BD/DVD Audio Ouput Format (HDMI) to "Bitstream". Then, under Settings->Sound Settings->Audio Ouput Settings->HDMI, I chose "Manual" as the method for setting the output format. Once you choose Manual you are taken to a long list of output formats where you individually select the ones you wish to enable. Linear PCM 2 Ch. 44.1khz and 48khz are selected by default and cannot be unselected. Here I also selected "Dolby Digital 5.1 Ch." and "DTS 5.1 Ch." and tada - I was playing Ridge Racer 7 in 1080p with 5.1 DD surround and grinning from ear to ear

However, I am not overly thrilled about this because with most devices (such as the PS3) you could easily run an optical cable directly to your audio receiver. I am much more concerned about the fact that I still have not been able to pass through 5.1 surround from the tuner - I have tried with both QAM and OTA... they both only pass through 2 channels, even though I know the show was being broadcast in 5.1. Obviously when using the tuner there are no other audio options... so unless the TX wants to play nice and pass through 5.1, we are out of luck!!

At any rate, at least we know that it isn't a hardware limitation.... hopefully Westinghouse gets back to me soon.

This is very promising. This should be fairly easy to resolve with a firmware update. Time to give those USB ports a workout.
post #227 of 6156
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Originally Posted by huggybear View Post

Good news - I can confirm that the TX-47's SPDIF output IS capable of passing through DD 5.1 surround sound! I was able to get the TX-47 to ouput DD 5.1 from my PS3.

First, under Settings->BD/DVD Settings, I changed BD/DVD Audio Ouput Format (HDMI) to "Bitstream". Then, under Settings->Sound Settings->Audio Ouput Settings->HDMI, I chose "Manual" as the method for setting the output format. Once you choose Manual you are taken to a long list of output formats where you individually select the ones you wish to enable. Linear PCM 2 Ch. 44.1khz and 48khz are selected by default and cannot be unselected. Here I also selected "Dolby Digital 5.1 Ch." and "DTS 5.1 Ch." and tada - I was playing Ridge Racer 7 in 1080p with 5.1 DD surround and grinning from ear to ear

However, I am not overly thrilled about this because with most devices (such as the PS3) you could easily run an optical cable directly to your audio receiver. I am much more concerned about the fact that I still have not been able to pass through 5.1 surround from the tuner - I have tried with both QAM and OTA... they both only pass through 2 channels, even though I know the show was being broadcast in 5.1. Obviously when using the tuner there are no other audio options... so unless the TX wants to play nice and pass through 5.1, we are out of luck!!

At any rate, at least we know that it isn't a hardware limitation.... hopefully Westinghouse gets back to me soon.

What concerns me is the lack of Dolby Digital decoder. If Westinghouse does write a firmware update that allows a bitstream passthrough from QAM / OTA out the SPDIF, the TV won't play any audio. This might be a tech support nightmare from their viewpoint. Someone could toggle this, forget what they did, then think that their TV speakers broke. Then again, I guess the audio internal / mixed / external setting is pretty similar. I really hope they fix this and the fill mode overscanning!
post #228 of 6156
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jbradg View Post

I think it has something to do with the TV not recognizing the "Bitstream" mode so it passes it through. I still think my problems are more with the way HDMI works rather than a problem with the TV. I cannot get my Sony upconvert DVD player or my cable box to push DD5.1 to the TV via HDMI and out the SPDIF connector. My plan is to do separate audio to my receiver and maybe later find a good HDMI aware receiver that will do my A/V switching like I did when I was running all S-video. So much for my plan of using the TV as my A/V switcher.

I agree - there seems to be a problem with the TX automatically recognizing audio formats .... when I changed the PS3 to bitstream and the audio output to automatic, theoretically the TX should have recognized the DD 5.1 - but it didn't. I could only get it to work by manually specifying DD 5.1.

Not every device has this manual option (I take it your Sony DVD player falls into this category) and so you are stuck with 2 channel sound.

We can only hope that it is something they will address.

By chance, does the service menu from last year's models contain any audio settings or is it just for picture optimization?
post #229 of 6156
After reading everything in this thread, I still don't see any big difference in this vs. the LVM series. I'm a big xbox360 gamer and don't use many HDMI devices. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
post #230 of 6156
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Originally Posted by bidzer View Post

After reading everything in this thread, I still don't see any big difference in this vs. the LVM series. I'm a big xbox360 gamer and don't use many HDMI devices. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

The most notable differences are a TV Tuner (nice for free over the air HD) and 4 HDMI inputs instead of 1 HDMI and 2 DVI. My Playstation 3 had spakle issues with DVI #2 and HDMI on my old LVM-42w2. Anytime the PS3 changed resolution the screen would display garble until I switched to another input and then back on all three inputs. It seems like Westinghouse did a much better job with HDMI on the TX series.

Compared to a LVM-42w2 manufactured Feb 2006, I find the contrast to be much better on the TX. I think blacks look darker and whites are brighter. Saturation seemed set too high on the TX out of the box but after turning that down, things look nice. Color is still a little off but can be adjusted without going into the service menu.

If you're not planning on adding HDMI devices to your set and can still find an LVM, it's not at all a bad set. They're certainly cheaper than the TX right now. I'm liking the TX more due to its lack of banding, screen brightness and better HDMI handshaking. There are a lot of very happy LVM owners though. Good luck!
post #231 of 6156
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bidzer View Post

After reading everything in this thread, I still don't see any big difference in this vs. the LVM series. I'm a big xbox360 gamer and don't use many HDMI devices. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Based on what I've read on the comparisons between the 2, the LVM seems to be a better choice if you plan on using the set primarily as a computer monitor (it has a DVI input while the TX does not). If you need a built-in tuner, the TX is the way to go.

In addition, another big plus for the TX is the fact that it has a USB port that can be used for firmware updates in the future... the USB port and the built-in tuner were the reasons why I waited for the TX.
post #232 of 6156
I just got a SA 8300HD DVR STB and have it connected via HDMI to the TX. I can confirm that getting 5.1 via HDMI input and Optical output to a receiver is very dependent on your source hardware settings. I tried changing the settings on the STB under menu, menu > Audio: Digital. The only options are HDMI, Dolby Digital, and Other. The HDMI setting only passes Stereo. DD does not pass through the TV to the receiver by HDMI> optical, but does work by bypassing the TV on a coax output on the STB to coax input on my receiver. The "other" setting seems to do nothing.
post #233 of 6156
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Originally Posted by DynStatic View Post

I just got a SA 8300HD DVR STB and have it connected via HDMI to the TX. I can confirm that getting 5.1 via HDMI input and Optical output to a receiver is very dependent on your source hardware settings. I tried changing the settings on the STB under menu, menu > Audio: Digital. The only options are HDMI, Dolby Digital, and Other. The HDMI setting only passes Stereo. DD does not pass through the TV to the receiver by HDMI> optical, but does work by bypassing the TV on a coax output on the STB to coax input on my receiver. The "other" setting seems to do nothing.

First of all, you don't know whether the HDMI option "only passes stereo." It could be that it passes 5.1, and your TV only sends stereo to your receiver.

Second of all, of course sending the audio direct from the source to the receiver, bypassing the TV entirely, isn't going to have anything to do with the TV's settings.

I'm curious why people feel the need to send audio from a component through the TV on the way to the receiver. Is it simply to reduce the number of cables?
post #234 of 6156
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Originally Posted by aindik View Post

First of all, you don't know whether the HDMI option "only passes stereo." It could be that it passes 5.1, and your TV only sends stereo to your receiver.

Second of all, of course sending the audio direct from the source to the receiver, bypassing the TV entirely, isn't going to have anything to do with the TV's settings.

I'm curious why people feel the need to send audio from a component through the TV on the way to the receiver. Is it simply to reduce the number of cables?

I think what everyone is finding is that when HDMI auto negociates audio (such as a SA8300 HD cable box), the TV tells the source to send stereo, not 5.1. If the source has an override (manual setting, PS3, some DVD players, etc.), you can send Dolby Digital to the TV over HDMI but the TV won't play it (no Dolby Digital decoder) but it WILL pass it back out the SPDIF.

I would like to reduce cables and the number of inputs being used on my reciever. I am also interested in making things easier for everyone to use. It's more convenient for everything to be hooked up to the TV on HDMI, have the TV automatically select the active device, and leave the receiver on the same input. Less cables to buy, more expandibility on my receiver, easier for my family and friends to figure out.
post #235 of 6156
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Originally Posted by nibbs159 View Post

I think what everyone is finding is that when HDMI auto negociates audio (such as a SA8300 HD cable box), the TV tells the source to send stereo, not 5.1. If the source has an override (manual setting, PS3, some DVD players, etc.), you can send Dolby Digital to the TV over HDMI but the TV won't play it (no Dolby Digital decoder) but it WILL pass it back out the SPDIF.

I would like to reduce cables and the number of inputs being used on my reciever. I am also interested in making things easier for everyone to use. It's more convenient for everything to be hooked up to the TV on HDMI, have the TV automatically select the active device, and leave the receiver on the same input. Less cables to buy, more expandibility on my receiver, easier for my family and friends to figure out.

I agree with all that and that's my intent... to use the TV as my A/V switcher and leave my receiver on 1 input. One could argue just get a programmable remote, but those can get rather pricey.
post #236 of 6156
Do all 4 of the HDMI inputs on the TX carry audio? For some reason I thought I read that only the first one did, but I could be wrong. If they don't carry audio it would beg the question why have HDMI inputs at all since they are just DVI inputs with an HDMI termination.
post #237 of 6156
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Originally Posted by flabioh View Post

Do all 4 of the HDMI inputs on the TX carry audio? For some reason I thought I read that only the first one did, but I could be wrong. If they don't carry audio it would beg the question why have HDMI inputs at all since they are just DVI inputs with an HDMI termination.

I know HDMI 1 and 2 do.
post #238 of 6156
Ordered it from BB on Monday, last day of Memorial Day sale. The saleskid from the Magnolia section of BB said there was no 10% off LCD sale, but they took the 10-12% off coupon, so I got a pretty good price. Should I have been able to get both a sale price plus the coupon discount?

The TV should be here by the end of the week. What kind of connectors do I need to hook up a DirecTV HD-DVR receiver to the panel? I'd rather not pay for BB's triple-price wires. Does the panel come with any kind of connector just to get started, or should I order something from MonoPrice right now?

Lastly, and probably most importantly, the difference between the 2006 LVM and the new 2007 TX. Benzonate's excellent comparison work has me thinking I should order the LVM from BuyDig and cancel the BB order, saving $300. PQ and colors are pretty much paramount afaic, and his direct comparison has the LVM noticably ahead. The reason I went with the TX was because of the supposedly excellent SD scaling, which I figured would be the one thing which would override better colors and sharper panel, at least for a panel which will be used mostly for TV viewing, much if not most of which is still in SD even with an HD receiver. Benz repeatedly provided the disclaimer that his panel would be for HD content and games more than TV viewing, so taking that different useage into account I decided on TX for TV (being annoyed that a next-gen panel would have worse color and sharpness than the prev gen, just to get better scaling - a tradeoff that shouldn't have to be made - pfft).

But now I'm reading that the SD scaling on the TX is 10% chopped, so the TX's one advantage over the LVM seems quite compromised, if I'm understanding correctly. So the questions here are whether the TX scaling of SD-content really is compromised, and whether its SD scaling is really all that much better than the LVM's?

I'm thinking of ordering both and then checking for myself, but I'd rather not.
post #239 of 6156
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Originally Posted by ElectronicVision View Post

Ordered it from BB on Monday, last day of Memorial Day sale. The saleskid from the Magnolia section of BB said there was no 10% off LCD sale, but they took the 10-12% off coupon, so I got a pretty good price. Should I have been able to get both a sale price plus the coupon discount?

The TV should be here by the end of the week. What kind of connectors do I need to hook up a DirecTV HD-DVR receiver to the panel? I'd rather not pay for BB's triple-price wires. Does the panel come with any kind of connector just to get started, or should I order something from MonoPrice right now?

Lastly, and probably most importantly, the difference between the 2006 LVM and the new 2007 TX. Benzonate's excellent comparison work has me thinking I should order the LVM from BuyDig and cancel the BB order, saving $300. PQ and colors are pretty much paramount afaic, and his direct comparison has the LVM noticably ahead. The reason I went with the TX was because of the supposedly excellent SD scaling, which I figured would be the one thing which would override better colors and sharper panel, at least for a panel which will be used mostly for TV viewing, much if not most of which is still in SD even with an HD receiver. Benz repeatedly provided the disclaimer that his panel would be for HD content and games more than TV viewing, so taking that different useage into account I decided on TX for TV (being annoyed that a next-gen panel would have worse color and sharpness than the prev gen, just to get better scaling - a tradeoff that shouldn't have to be made - pfft).

But now I'm reading that the SD scaling on the TX is 10% chopped, so the TX's one advantage over the LVM seems quite compromised, if I'm understanding correctly. So the questions here are whether the TX scaling of SD-content really is compromised, and whether its SD scaling is really all that much better than the LVM's?

I'm thinking of ordering both and then checking for myself, but I'd rather not.


Welcome to the thread and to the forums. I'll try and answer your questions (without actually having the set myself, yet). The 10-12% coupon is based off the MSRP of the TV (or whatever BB normal price is) so it rang up correctly (it's in the fine print).

My understanding is that the TV does not come with any cables, so I'd recommend going to monoprice like you suggested. I don't know which interfaces are on the HD-DVR but HDMI or Component should be capable of 1080p on this TV. I would probably try and stay digital as much as possible, but that is just me.

As for the LVM <> TX debate... I foresee this being a debatable question for a very long time. If money is a major factor then I see the LVM as a better way to go. Since you're going to have the HD-DVR you aren't going to need the internal tuner of the TX. SD scaling shouldn't really be an issue in a few years, so if you are planning on keeping the TV for a long time I wouldn't make the purchase now for something that should technically be a moot point. The only advantage of the TX for you would be that it is a newer product with a USB firware upgradeable port, so any issues that you might be seeing users have now might all be resolved for them 6 months down the road (all without an exchange).

Based off the information in your post I'd say go with the LVM.
post #240 of 6156
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Originally Posted by flabioh View Post

Do all 4 of the HDMI inputs on the TX carry audio? For some reason I thought I read that only the first one did, but I could be wrong. If they don't carry audio it would beg the question why have HDMI inputs at all since they are just DVI inputs with an HDMI termination.

They all carry digital audio which is part of the purpose of HDMI. HDMI 1 is the only one that has redundant analog input, mostly for people who are converting from DVI sources.
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