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Originally Posted by Woobieizer View Post


If there are any users that run pure HDMI from the PS3 that have not seen an issue with flickering/lost of sound/etc, confirmed DD5.1: Please, please post w/Title "Successful PS3 Config Westinghouse TX" this will make searching easy for everyone.

SPEC. REQ:
Sony firmware revision:
Sony Model #:
HDMI cable Make-Model:
Which Port on Westy:
Which Model Westy:
Firmware Westy:

Woobieizer - I am on my 2nd TX-47 and neither of them have had any problems with HDMI and the PS3. Both units were built on Apr 13 with the 5110_1.1.0 firmware. Actually, I don't think there are any TX-47 owners out there with a different build date or firmware (someone please speak up if your system info shows something different).

As for my PS3, I am currently using the latest firmware but I have actually used the last 3 revisions and never had a problem. I am using HDMI input #1.

I personally don't think it has anything to do with the Westy (if they all have the same build date and firmware, what could possibly differ hardware-wise from a set that exhibits the flickering problem with one that doesn't) ??

My guess is that it has something to do with the PS3 and/or cable. I am using a Cables To Go Velocity HDMI cable from Tiger Direct:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...38#detailspecs

I've noticed a couple of things that differ between HDMI cables... I don't know if these things would matter at all but I'll throw them out for discussion (someone more knowledgeable on HDMI please chime in):

1) dual-link or single-link (can't say what my cable is as it isn't listed)

2) AWG (again, mine isn't listed but I have seen 24 and 28AWG)

3) gold-plated connector (mine is 24 karat gold-plated)

4) shielded (mine is fully shielded)

So if I had to make an educated guess, maybe the flickering problem is caused by the HDMI cable losing the signal for a split second which causes a problem with the HDCP negotiations and hence the flickering while it is re-established ?
post #2132 of 6156
Whatever happened to the days where you could just turn a tv off? Now theres a "normal mode" and a "e save mode".

I've got the 42" and yeah knock on wood, so far so good. For the first week I left it on normal mode and then noticed that the back of the unit was warm. That seems silly to me if your not using it it should not be drawing any power. So I switched to E Saver mode and now it's not warm at all! Have had it set that way since Saturday we'll see how that goes.

Honestly I wouldn't mind leaving it in normal mode, it just seems like with anything you get more life out of it if it's not always being used.
post #2133 of 6156
is this happening more on 47's than 42's? talking about the e.saver issue..I bought mine on the 15th...and changed to esaver mode probably a few days into using it
post #2134 of 6156
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Originally Posted by jterp7 View Post

is this happening more on 47's than 42's? talking about the e.saver issue..I bought mine on the 15th...and changed to esaver mode probably a few days into using it

not really sure about the frequency of this anomaly occuring in certain sets, but i have a 42 and this is the first time this happened to me (after about a week of using e.saver mode). huggy has a 47 and he did state that his first set had the same symptoms i've experienced before his set died shortly while after (really don't know how long huggy had it in e.saver mode btw).

now this doesn't mean that this bug is the sole cause that killed his tv but just be aware that it did happen so just be prepared for things . i mean it might not even happen to you but who knows.
post #2135 of 6156
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Originally Posted by tokiidokii View Post

not really sure about the frequency of this anomaly occuring in certain sets, but i have a 42 and this is the first time this happened to me (after about a week of using e.saver mode). huggy has a 47 and he did state that his first set had the same symptoms i've experienced before his set died shortly while after (really don't know how long huggy had it in e.saver mode btw).

now this doesn't mean that this bug is the sole cause that killed his tv but just be aware that it did happen so just be prepared for things . i mean it might not even happen to you but who knows.

I don't want to scare anyone, but with me my set started doing it more and more often. At the end it was doing it in normal mode every 5-6 hours of being off.

xnappo
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Saw something strange while playing The Darkness on Xbox360 through VGA last night.

I noticed about 4 or 5 flashing green pixels on the tv, which would indicate dying pixels on the lcd screen. I thought "oh no" and continued to play. They were noticeable in dark areas.

I switched over to my cable box and PS3, and the pixels were fine. I looked around for a channel with a dark screen and nothing was wrong.

If it was the panel, it should have been seen in the other inputs. Maybe its my VGA cable? Either way, I'll have to check again tonight.

Seeing that made me realize again that I would take a fixable lockup or flicker anyday over stuck or flashing pixels.

bhazard,
I was playing The Darkness on my PS3 this weekend as well and I think I had a similar situation as you. I believe the main character was in the dark room on the chair talking, filler for the loading times, and it flashed some green pixels in the vicinity of his jacket. I think it was just a glitch in the programing, not a TV thing.
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Okay. I've been considering this TV, but it sounds like it is a gamble. Lots of people talk about various problems with the TV (e.saver, freezing, lockups, HDMI inputs). Also, it seems like some of these issues do not become apparent for a few days/weeks. BB has a short return policy and I don't want to get caught with a lemon TV.

Does anyone here think this line of thinking is bad? Or would it definately be worth my while to pick up this set? I'm just looking for some sensible opinions.
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tokiidokii - Thanks for bringing this up. The lockup and Matrix affect, I think are related. Do you recall the last imput you had it on?

bhazard - I think that game is possesed!

huggybear - Thanks for the reposting this PS3 info. I can't imagine you would have not already posted your success, yet I have to admit... myconfession:ihavenotreadeverythingintheforumiwasawolforamon thplayingneedforspeedcarbonimsoashamed

Xnappo - Aren't you just dying to get another?

armenhamer- It is almost like a computer, with a suspend (E-saver), Hibernate (the lockup), and OFF!
>Power Options >E-Saver >Power on Plug (OFF), w/UPS + AVR

Lutch - You owe the forum Your PS3 config..plz Thank, tonight! gotcha

Geetar - Lifes a risk. come join our happy throng offically.
post #2139 of 6156
Hopefully I can get around to posting my PS3 sound settings and pics tonight, I'll try though. I'll tell you what, The Darkness looks pretty sweet on this TV and the surround sound down in the subway as a train is coming in and out is pretty cool. AS you rotate the character the sound of the train rotates around the speakers. I found my self spinning in circles just to hear it .
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Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: Radio Shack 15-1085
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0
post #2141 of 6156
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Originally Posted by Woobieizer View Post

tokiidokii - Thanks for bringing this up. The lockup and Matrix affect, I think are related. Do you recall the last imput you had it on?

bhazard - I think that game is possesed!

huggybear - Thanks for the reposting this PS3 info. I can't imagine you would have not already posted your success, yet I have to admit... myconfession:ihavenotreadeverythingintheforumiwasawolforamon thplayingneedforspeedcarbonimsoashamed

Xnappo - Aren't you just dying to get another?

armenhamer- It is almost like a computer, with a suspend (E-saver), Hibernate (the lockup), and OFF!
>Power Options >E-Saver >Power on Plug (OFF), w/UPS + AVR

Lutch - You owe the forum Your PS3 config..plz Thank, tonight! gotcha

Geetar - Lifes a risk. come join our happy throng offically.

first in response to geetar. your line of thinking isn't bad. i was in the same boat and i decided to take the plunge (after some semi serious thought... gotta be mentally prepared for the heartaches lol). whenever you are spending your hard earned money (i'm sure not all of us are millionaires ), i think you're entitled to take everything into account before actually going forward with anything.

as for woobieizer, i do remember the last input i had it in. yesterday was the first time i tried using vga. as expected, it auto-recognized the connection and everything was perfect. what i did though, i actually reset my computer back to single screen so there is no feed going into the tv then i manually (used the remote) switched back to HDMI 1 while my ps3 was off. that was the last thing i did last night. the ONLY time i switched HDMI ports was the day i got the tv. i accidentally plugged it in HDMI 4 (no problems) but since i'm crazy like that, i had to have it on HDMI 1 .

oh i forgot to mention, i did switch HDMI cables (port is still #1). i couldn't bear waiting for cables from monoprice so i picked up a temporary Acoustic Research cable from BB when i got my tv (this was 2 fridays ago). i've switched cables last friday and no problems with connection thus far.
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Geetar it seems to me that if you look through other threads even the name brands have there own sets of issues as well. My thought is you've got 30 days and get the 4 year warranty. It's a good TV as long as it stays working right.

Also I found this on HDGURU, which talks about second and third tier manufacture warranty's. Here's what they said about Westy.

Westinghouse

If the set is purchased from Best Buy it must be returned to the store for warranty service regardless of the size of the TV, according to the Westinghouse customer service department. If purchased elsewhere, Westinghouse customer service must be called to determine if the set is in need of factory service. Westinghouse will issue a return authorization if they determine factory services is needed and it will pay the freight both ways if the TV was purchased within the last 90 days. From 90 days to the end of the one-year warranty, the consumer must pay the return freight and supply the original packaging or a suitable equivalent. Westinghouse does not sell replacement cartons and packing. Out of warranty service is available locally in select markets according to its customer service department. If there is no local factory authorized servicer in your area, the set owner must pay the freight both ways and the cost or repair parts and labor, which will be determined after Westinghouse receives and examines the malfunctioning television.
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Originally Posted by santur View Post

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: Radio Shack 15-1085
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0

Is your HDMI-1 PS3 porting sound- and if so is it DD-5.1 anybody???

Awesome! Santur. Thank you very much for hitting the details.. i hope things stay consistent.

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Originally Posted by Lutch View Post

Hopefully I can get around to posting my PS3 sound settings and pics tonight, I'll try though. I'll tell you what, The Darkness looks pretty sweet on this TV and the surround sound down in the subway as a train is coming in and out is pretty cool. AS you rotate the character the sound of the train rotates around the speakers. I found my self spinning in circles just to hear it .



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Originally Posted by tokiidokii View Post

..switched back to HDMI 1 while my ps3 was off. that was the last thing i did last night. (then today)..I've been running energy saver mode for about a week now and when i turned on the set, the amber light went on but nothing happened...

Your set, if it had come up would have been looking for signal on HDMI-1 (the PS3) correct?

Anyhow. I have had only an issue with Ulgy Display on HDMI-1>PC My TV had been set to >Power on Plug (ON) >Power Mode >Normal. And my utility power cycled, **** hits the fan, the TV pwr'ed back on to my PC (PC on HDMI-1) and god bless this is what I woke up one morning seeing.
And the last time I had ugly display was the other night as I was composing the UPS/Wattage Usage/BTU post. I was using Remote Desktop from another PC remoted into the box connected to the TV. As I was decreasing the backlight to 0 (zero), down to Off, I pwred the TV off for the last Wattage measurment, and when I powered the TV back on.. here comes the wack picture. All I did from that point was unplug the HDMI cable, and turn the TV off, plug the HDMI cable back in, and Turn the TV back on. Just so everone knows.. My TV is not bullet-proof either. But she's still my baby.

Thanks for all the good Info Guy!!

Still wondering about PS3 sound via HDMI-1?
Regards
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Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 20GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: DVI Gear 2m/Monoprice 28awg
Which Port on Westy: HDMI2/HDMI3 (flicker or dropout sometimes)
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0
Sound: HDMI into TV, optical DD/DTS 5.1 from TV to receiver. (Spherex Xbox 5.1)
post #2145 of 6156
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Originally Posted by Woobieizer View Post

... Your set, if it had come up would have been looking for signal on HDMI-1 (the PS3) correct?...

yes i would assume that. i have my set to auto-recognize. however, what i did this morning (not sure if this is a cause... and i forgot to mention this) i turned on my pc and set it to have feed going to the tv. at this point my tv was still off but my comp is already feeding data to the tv.

then i turned on my tv and nada... the so called 'e.saver lockup' struck me. i was confused at first, thinking my tv was warming up so i waited for a few mins til i finally decided to pick up the remote and power it down. didn't get a response after a couple of tries so i did a reboot using the set's power button. i then saw the westinghouse splash screen and it immediately recognized that there is feed coming from the pc.

again, at this point it's hard to pinpoint what's going on but i want to try again by process of elimination if i can recreate what happened this morning. could be a fluke but doesn't hurt to try again... well there is a chance that i might outright kill my tv hehe.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Geetar View Post

Okay. I've been considering this TV, but it sounds like it is a gamble. Lots of people talk about various problems with the TV (e.saver, freezing, lockups, HDMI inputs). Also, it seems like some of these issues do not become apparent for a few days/weeks. BB has a short return policy and I don't want to get caught with a lemon TV.

Does anyone here think this line of thinking is bad? Or would it definately be worth my while to pick up this set? I'm just looking for some sensible opinions.

Geetar - that's just the nature of these forums - people report problems in an effort to determine if they are flaws in the set or problems with their individual setups, etc. You can go into a forum for any set on the market and you will read about problem after problem. A lot of the time it is user error, sometimes the individual posting just got a lemon set, and sometimes it is a genuine problem with the build or the entire line. You just have to pick the set that has the problems which you can live with.

There simply isn't a better bang for your buck than the TX series. The Vizio is close but if you look at those forums you will discover a litany of problems. In my opinion there are more and they are worse. Plus, the TX is superior if you look at the specs.

If you look at the Sony and Sammy forums, again you will read about all sorts of problems. The main difference here is that those owners paid hundreds if not thousands more for their sets.

So as Woobieizer said - come and join our happy gang
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Originally Posted by huggybear View Post

Geetar - that's just the nature of these forums - people report problems in an effort to determine if they are flaws in the set or problems with their individual setups, etc. You can go into a forum for any set on the market and you will read about problem after problem. A lot of the time it is user error, sometimes the individual posting just got a lemon set, and sometimes it is a genuine problem with the build or the entire line. You just have to pick the set that has the problems which you can live with.

There simply isn't a better bang for your buck than the TX series. The Vizio is close but if you look at those forums you will discover a litany of problems. In my opinion there are more and they are worse. Plus, the TX is superior if you look at the specs.

If you look at the Sony and Sammy forums, again you will read about all sorts of problems. The main difference here is that those owners paid hundreds if not thousands more for their sets.

So as Woobieizer said - come and join our happy gang

i Couldn't have said it better brother.We are proud owners of the TX westy even though not so happy sometimes
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10% coupon can be found on previous post #2092. Set to expire 7/31. Worked for me at a store in Seattle yesterday for Pricematch. Just brought my receipt from 2 weeks ago, and the folks at BB returns area did the rest and credited back (both the price difference and 10% on top of that difference) into my account without any hassle.

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Sang
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Sang- was the set when you bought it on sale? Does the 10% coupon work on the set when it's already on sale?
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it does...but the number of tries it takes at BB stores depends on the leniency of the associate and/or manager in charge at the time, luckily for me after finding out the inventory at one store was wrong, going to right store also resulted in me finding the "right" guy who would accept the coupon the first time around.

Either way call to me sure the store has the dang thing in first place before you waste time trying to get the coupon to work for a product is not even in stock -_-
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Originally Posted by armenhamer View Post

Sang- was the set when you bought it on sale? Does the 10% coupon work on the set when it's already on sale?

Before I asked for pricematch yesterday, I asked a general question specific to this coupon. At least in Southcenter/Seattle BB, the coupon will work with the sales price. Thus...the current price for this set with the coupon will be somewhere around nine ninety.

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Sang
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Originally Posted by santur View Post

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: Radio Shack 15-1085
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0

The one thing I've noticed is that the people w/ no flashing/dropouts on the ps3 seem to be using the HDMI1 input. I've used hdmi 2/3 and they both seem to have the problem, but maybe hdmi1 is different somehow? I will have to try that tonight/tomorrow, and I'll report back how it goes. I'd say over the course of a 2 hr movie, the set flickers at least 5-6 times, and i usually get 1 droupout, sometimes 2. It's VERY annoying. I'll try HDMI1 and cross my fingers..

Thanks for posting guys with your succesful configurations! Regardless of whether it will help me it's nice to know some people are having no issues w/ the flickering/dropouts. I haven't experienced any other issues *knock on wood*, so my only complaints are the so-so black levels and the hdmi flickering issue..
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Does anyone else have IR remote problems? I have to kinda walk around the TV to find the sweet spot to adjust the volume.
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I am still really confused about the psp warranty. It seems like this is the general consensus to buy the warranty. On my college salary of around 1400 a month after taxes I really am pushing it this month after buying the Westy 42 inch for 1050 with tax and the TV stand for a grand total of just around 1200.

I only have 30 days to decide on the BestBuy plan. Is there any other extended warranties through other places that I could buy within the 1 year manufactor warranty? Even though the PSP is great the 150 dollars is roughly 15 percent of the TV cost.

God I really need to stop reading about the problems in this thread. I always do this and get buyers remorse. Help me out
post #2155 of 6156
roaf85, use the 10% movers coupon to sweeten the deal! Quick! Expires tomorrow! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11157893
post #2156 of 6156
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Originally Posted by Joony View Post

roaf85, use the 10% movers coupon to sweeten the deal! Quick! Expires tomorrow! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11157893

Agreed. Just did this with my Philips and basically got a free PSP!

BB CS didn't even blink at doing the deal.

xnappo
post #2157 of 6156
hello all!

ok just got home and turned on my tv after about 12hrs of no usage. e.saver locked up again so i had to do another reboot. anyway, on my way home i've been thinking that auto-sourcing could be the problem (not really sure if this has been debunked).

ok here's the steps i did earlier... i hope this is understandable (kinda crazy actually):

turn on tv, no source (auto-source is on): westy splash shows: turned on ps3: no video: waited a couple of minutes: nothing: turned off ps3: reboot: westy spash shows up again: light stayed amber: took longer than usual but light turned blue: turned on ps3 and it auto source: turned off tv and ps3: turn on ps3: turned on tv, auto-sourced, feed shows: i turn off auto-source, kept it on HDMI 1: turn off ps3: turn off tv: turn on tv with ps3 off: boots up properly: turn tv off again: turn on ps3 then tv: boots up properly, feed shows: then i go back to turn auto-source on, did the whole turn ps3 on and off etc. and tv on and off also etc.: boots properly: turned off ps3: kept auto-source on, switch source to pc (no feed coming from pc since it's off): turn tv on, boots up properly and is sourced on pc (no feed): turn on ps3 and auto-sourced.

does this tell me anything? hardly but it really feels like it's a hardware problem that may or may not be resolved by a firmware (being the pessimist that i am, i'm leaning towards the latter). tonight i'll leave it on e.saver again but i will turn off auto-sourcing and check tomorrow morning if it boots up properly. i will keep the setting before leaving from work and check again when i get back.

and then, before i go to bed, i'll keep e.saver on with auto-source on and see if that prevents the tv from turning on the next day without rebooting. i'll do this for maybe a week and see how that goes, alternating between the settings.

also, there are so many other variables at play here, such as is my tv too cold and need to warm up first (yea kinda weird )? who knows. is it a connection issue? again i don't know. it could be a 'memory' thing since rebooting the machine pretty much resets it but it's pure speculation. i mean, maybe the boards/memory (if there is 'memory') gets overloaded or something but that's too technical now hehe.

anyway, still no flicker so that's a good sign. i can't wait to try out my little experiment for some reason but if anyone has done this, please let me know. oh and i hope this makes sense but i need to go work out so i'm trying my best to post as fast as i can without leaving off things lol

oh i did the price adjustment earlier after work with 10% off. the lady let me still keep the no interest til 2009 and she added the 4yr plan (still no interest). the best thing tho, since after the pricematch and 10% off, the tv pretty much is below 1k (is this ok to post?) so the price plan got lowered to 130! i ended up getting 30 bucks credit to my bb card . thought i'd share that just to confirm that you can get the 10% off even after the pricematch.

sorry for the long post lol
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Originally Posted by Woobieizer View Post

That setup look great!

I made a table 48 x 18 x 8 (Low Rider) to accomodate CVS (compter vision syndrome) I look down a bit but it in so doing it makes me blink more, thus keeping eye irratation to a minimum. And with the Viewing Angle Gain, it is still Great! Get this PDF to Test your Calibration LCD Test Patterns

Woobz - Thanks for your dimensions, seems like the stand I want will work since your width dimension is similar.

Roaf - Thanks for the link to your stand with similar dimensions as the Target one, it looks pretty sweet. I will probably go with the Target one though, I like the matching towers it comes with.

Thanks,

Todd
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Attached are the pics showing the PS3 settings that I am using to get DD5.1 out of the HDMI cable from the PS3 to the TV and out of the TV with the Optical to the Receiver.

The first picture shows my settings under: SETTINGS - SOUND SETTINGS - AUDIO OUTPUT SETTINGS. I have HDMI selected next, then MANUAL selected next, then I have the Dolby Digital 5.1 ch. & DTS 5.1 Ch. boxes checked, the other PCM options are greyed out.

The second picture just shows the end screen for the previous settings, it only shows a rundown of the settings.

The third picture shows my settings under: SETTINGS - BD/DVD SETTINGS. Take note of the settings for the BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI) I have it set to Bitstream.

These settings allowed me to enjoy DD5.1 surround for games as well as DVD's. Not sure if everyone is aware, but games and DVD's don't always put the menu and opening screens in DD5.1, so the receiver will show only 2 channels and not the 5.1.

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB Initial Distribution
HDMI cable Make-Model: WireLogic
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-42F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0
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Attached are pics of the settings for my TV & of my reciever outputing DD5.1 during gameplay for The Darkness.

First Picture is of the TV sound Settings

Second Picture is of my Reciever

Thirs Picture is of the display of my Reciever during gameplay
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