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post #4531 of 6024
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Originally Posted by Martez View Post

Wow, a picture viewer. Way to go, Westinghouse, you've given us the absolutely LAST thing we need in a TV. How about letting us set/change the overscan and fill? Isn't that something that would be pretty easy to make changeable?

I admit, a picture viewer is pretty much useless, but it could pave the way for something a bit more interesting like an mp3 player or a general media player if you hook up an external drive. Sadly, the only speakers I have in my New York City apartment are the ones in my TV and the ones in my laptop.
post #4532 of 6024
That's all the update did? A Picture viewer? Why did I waste my time upgrading?
post #4533 of 6024
Last week, I upgraded the firmware on my 42F430S. I loaded the files onto a 128MB SD card and inserted the card into my Lexar Jumpdrive Trio. I unplugged the power cable from the TV and inserted the Jumpdrive into the USB port. I then plugged the power cable back in and got an amber power LED. It sat there doing nothing until I hit the power button on the TV. At this point, the power LED started flashing PURPLE for several minutes. After it quit flashing, I unplugged the Jumpdrive and cycled the power off/on. The Westinghouse logo came up and when I checked the menu, the new firmware was installed. I had to scan the channels all over again and redo my settings. It seems to lock onto an HDMI signal faster now, but other than that I haven't seen any differences. Next, I'm going to try to plug in a flash drive with some photos on it to see if the rumored picture viewer really exists.
post #4534 of 6024
This is my first post. I hope I get it right.

I bought my new TX47F430S the day before the super bowl. Got home put stand together, then mounted TV on stand. Then plugged in... it made a pop sound and it throwed the breaker. We unpluged TVand tripped the breaker back, plugged TV back in, and turned on. TV Did nothing !!!! Tried another plug, did nothing!!! Sooo the next day we drove 80 miles one way to exchange for another one... so I am already on my second TV!!

We have basic cable, I have a cable cord plugged directly into my TV where it says Antenna. The Cable company we use has not upgraded to digital yet, so I can not get anything HD yet. We are a small town and this is my only option unless I change to satellite.

My complaint is that the built in guide does not work! My old TV was an RCA that had a built in guide that we just loved. Now we have no guide, although according to the manual we are suppose to have. The Cable Co we have does not have a guide channel either. I have contacted Westinghouse, first by phone then by email. On the phone contact I was told the guide only worked on over the air channels. I thought if that were true that it should have said that in the manual. So I sent then an email, I was told the problem is with my signal and to contact my cable provider. This is exactly what they said "The EPG is completely controled by the signal, so you will want to bring this issue to the attention of your cable provider for further assistance, they should be able to correct the issue for you. The television can only broadcast the information it is receiving from the signal using the EPG. There is no way to manually enter information into the EPG, or any adjustments you would need to make to get it to work. Program information should display automatically as long as the television is receiving that information from the incoming signal." When I contacted my cable provider they were clueless!! The cable co told me that maybe when they went digital it would fix the problem. Anyone else have a problem with their guide???

My TV is build date Sept 7, 2007 5121_1.2.0

We have also had a problem at least twice with our tv not powering on. We have to unplug it for a few seconds to get it to work. Is this something to worry about? I bought the extended warranty. So I have a 5 year 100% warranty.

I appreciate your advice. I am new to HDTV and AVSFORUM!!
post #4535 of 6024
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Originally Posted by Floors View Post

This is my first post. I hope I get it right.

I bought my new TX47F430S the day before the super bowl. Got home put stand together, then mounted TV on stand. Then plugged in... it made a pop sound and it throwed the breaker. We unpluged TVand tripped the breaker back, plugged TV back in, and turned on. TV Did nothing !!!! Tried another plug, did nothing!!! Sooo the next day we drove 80 miles one way to exchange for another one... so I am already on my second TV!!

We have basic cable, I have a cable cord plugged directly into my TV where it says Antenna. The Cable company we use has not upgraded to digital yet, so I can not get anything HD yet. We are a small town and this is my only option unless I change to satellite.

My complaint is that the built in guide does not work! My old TV was an RCA that had a built in guide that we just loved. Now we have no guide, although according to the manual we are suppose to have. The Cable Co we have does not have a guide channel either. I have contacted Westinghouse, first by phone then by email. On the phone contact I was told the guide only worked on over the air channels. I thought if that were true that it should have said that in the manual. So I sent then an email, I was told the problem is with my signal and to contact my cable provider. This is exactly what they said "The EPG is completely controled by the signal, so you will want to bring this issue to the attention of your cable provider for further assistance, they should be able to correct the issue for you. The television can only broadcast the information it is receiving from the signal using the EPG. There is no way to manually enter information into the EPG, or any adjustments you would need to make to get it to work. Program information should display automatically as long as the television is receiving that information from the incoming signal." When I contacted my cable provider they were clueless!! The cable co told me that maybe when they went digital it would fix the problem. Anyone else have a problem with their guide???

My TV is build date Sept 7, 2007 5121_1.2.0

We have also had a problem at least twice with our tv not powering on. We have to unplug it for a few seconds to get it to work. Is this something to worry about? I bought the extended warranty. So I have a 5 year 100% warranty.

I appreciate your advice. I am new to HDTV and AVSFORUM!!

Welcome to the forum!

I think Westinghouse support is both right and wrong. They are right that the signal definitely drives the EPG, but they are wrong that it only works on OTA. I have my cable directly plugged into the TV through Comcast. I get EPG on two unencrypted HD channels and all the HD channels broadcast their 4 letter signs, but other than that I don't get anything on the EPG except maybe the TV rating of the station (ie TV-PG). So, unless the broadcaster sends it to the cable provider and then the cable provider sends it on the signal to you there really isn't anything to get.

The EPG is pretty lame in my opinion, but I can see if how you were used to it before that it would be really annoying to not have it now.

I'm not sure if that helps you much or not, but just wanted to let you know that the EPG does "work" in my case, just not very well.

What is most interesting is that you said it worked fine on your old TV, but this one is not. This makes me think that there is something stupid that Westinghouse is doing like maybe they aren't populating the data correctly for analog stations or something like that. Hope that helps!
post #4536 of 6024
Well, I recently got a PS3 and have it connected to my TX47F430S via HDMI. Everything is working ok, however the ghosting/simulated burn-in issue is back. Apparently this only happens when using the HDMI port because it doesn't happen with my HTPC connected via the VGA connector. Also, I am still unable to turn off the dynamic contrast. This is getting really frustrating and annoying. I've tried upgrading the firmware and it does nothing. It won't do the upgrade no matter what I try. I have contacted Westy and they claim that the unit is defective and should be returned to Best Buy. I just hate lugging the thing back to the store, but I'm really upset with the ghosting and the dynamic contrast so I guess it's going back. Is anyone else having the ghosting/simulated burn-in issue with theirs via HDMI?
post #4537 of 6024
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Originally Posted by flabioh View Post

Welcome to the forum!

I think Westinghouse support is both right and wrong. They are right that the signal definitely drives the EPG, but they are wrong that it only works on OTA. I have my cable directly plugged into the TV through Comcast. I get EPG on two unencrypted HD channels and all the HD channels broadcast their 4 letter signs, but other than that I don't get anything on the EPG except maybe the TV rating of the station (ie TV-PG). So, unless the broadcaster sends it to the cable provider and then the cable provider sends it on the signal to you there really isn't anything to get.

The EPG is pretty lame in my opinion, but I can see if how you were used to it before that it would be really annoying to not have it now.

I'm not sure if that helps you much or not, but just wanted to let you know that the EPG does "work" in my case, just not very well.

What is most interesting is that you said it worked fine on your old TV, but this one is not. This makes me think that there is something stupid that Westinghouse is doing like maybe they aren't populating the data correctly for analog stations or something like that. Hope that helps!





I'm pretty sure the RCA program guide was the Gemstar system, a TOTALLY different animal than the HD EPG. The HD EPG is just coming on the scene and there is not much/complete content as of yet. The HD EPG guide on my other HD set works the same as the WESTY, it basically stinks. The Gemstar guide on my panasonic DVD recorder works great.
post #4538 of 6024
I've had a TX-47F430S since early 2007 and have been watching Time Warner Digital cable for on this set via HDMI since then and all of the sudden this morning I have an error on the TV saying the set is not HDCP compliant and to unplug the HDMI connection and use component. What in the world could have cause this to happen? We just watched tv the other night with no issues and nothings changed

Firmware: 5110_1.1.0
Built on: 2007 April 13th


edit - I unplugged the TV for two minutes, plugged it back in and not it's fine *shrug*
post #4539 of 6024
I just got a new audio receiver with S/PDIF input, so I ran a cable from my TX-42F430S to the receiver. It works fine with watching TV and with the audio from the component inputs...but when I use my PlayStation 3 (HDMI), I get no sound at all. I set the PS3 to output audio through HDMI.

Does anyone know why I'm not getting any sound?


Build-on: 2007 Oct 25
Software Version: 5112_1.3.0
post #4540 of 6024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floors View Post

This is my first post. I hope I get it right.

I bought my new TX47F430S the day before the super bowl. Got home put stand together, then mounted TV on stand. Then plugged in... it made a pop sound and it throwed the breaker. We unpluged TVand tripped the breaker back, plugged TV back in, and turned on. TV Did nothing !!!! Tried another plug, did nothing!!! Sooo the next day we drove 80 miles one way to exchange for another one... so I am already on my second TV!!

We have basic cable, I have a cable cord plugged directly into my TV where it says Antenna. The Cable company we use has not upgraded to digital yet, so I can not get anything HD yet. We are a small town and this is my only option unless I change to satellite.

My complaint is that the built in guide does not work! My old TV was an RCA that had a built in guide that we just loved. Now we have no guide, although according to the manual we are suppose to have. The Cable Co we have does not have a guide channel either. I have contacted Westinghouse, first by phone then by email. On the phone contact I was told the guide only worked on over the air channels. I thought if that were true that it should have said that in the manual. So I sent then an email, I was told the problem is with my signal and to contact my cable provider. This is exactly what they said "The EPG is completely controled by the signal, so you will want to bring this issue to the attention of your cable provider for further assistance, they should be able to correct the issue for you. The television can only broadcast the information it is receiving from the signal using the EPG. There is no way to manually enter information into the EPG, or any adjustments you would need to make to get it to work. Program information should display automatically as long as the television is receiving that information from the incoming signal." When I contacted my cable provider they were clueless!! The cable co told me that maybe when they went digital it would fix the problem. Anyone else have a problem with their guide???

My TV is build date Sept 7, 2007 5121_1.2.0

We have also had a problem at least twice with our tv not powering on. We have to unplug it for a few seconds to get it to work. Is this something to worry about? I bought the extended warranty. So I have a 5 year 100% warranty.

I appreciate your advice. I am new to HDTV and AVSFORUM!!


My opinion
Return it and get something else - This TV has many reported issues. I know, I had one and returned because I was not satisfied. You can read my earlier posts as well as others for the many reported issues with this set.

Best of Luck
post #4541 of 6024
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Originally Posted by udayp View Post

I admit, a picture viewer is pretty much useless, but it could pave the way for something a bit more interesting like an mp3 player or a general media player if you hook up an external drive.


I guess, but I've got stuff for all that already. I don't need it built into my TV. I'd like my TV to do things it's supposed to do.
post #4542 of 6024
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Originally Posted by SPARTEN II View Post

I just got a new audio receiver with S/PDIF input, so I ran a cable from my TX-42F430S to the receiver. It works fine with watching TV and with the audio from the component inputs...but when I use my PlayStation 3 (HDMI), I get no sound at all. I set the PS3 to output audio through HDMI.

Does anyone know why I'm not getting any sound?

Build-on: 2007 Oct 25
Software Version: 5112_1.3.0

After the very first builds (April 2007), Westinghouse disabled the passthrough of DRM'd audio in order to be HDCP-compliant. Blame Hollywood on this one. Fscking asshats.
post #4543 of 6024
I've been running my 360 Premium to my Westy (TX-47) via component for ~5 months now. A few days ago, I got an HDMI cable and now that is connecting 360 to TX. HDMI seems to work fine (including DVD upscaling!), but a new problem has cropped up. A couple times, while I was watching TV, it switched over the 360 input (HDMI 1) on its own. The 360 was off, so it just displayed "no signal" or whatever on a black screen.

I switched back to TV and everything seemed normal. A little later, I wanted to play Crackdown. I turned the 360 on, but the Westy didn't auto-switch inputs like it used to (using component). Ok, I thought, that's annoying but I can live with it. Then I used the remote to switch to HDMI 1 manually and it rebooted my 360!

I figure this has to be some kind of HDCP handshake issue, but I've never heard anybody mention anything similar before. Have any of you folks seen this happen??
post #4544 of 6024
I've read many reviews and all the gripes in this thread.. every TV has multiple reported problems, but does this one have more? Maybe it's because I have really only researched this particular brand and model extensively. For the price and picture quality it is awesome. Is it worth purchasing? I plan to get a Blu-Ray player soon, and play a lot of Xbox 360 on it.
post #4545 of 6024
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Originally Posted by unclben View Post

I've been running my 360 Premium to my Westy (TX-47) via component for ~5 months now. A few days ago, I got an HDMI cable and now that is connecting 360 to TX. HDMI seems to work fine (including DVD upscaling!), but a new problem has cropped up. A couple times, while I was watching TV, it switched over the 360 input (HDMI 1) on its own. The 360 was off, so it just displayed "no signal" or whatever on a black screen.

I switched back to TV and everything seemed normal. A little later, I wanted to play Crackdown. I turned the 360 on, but the Westy didn't auto-switch inputs like it used to (using component). Ok, I thought, that's annoying but I can live with it. Then I used the remote to switch to HDMI 1 manually and it rebooted my 360!

I figure this has to be some kind of HDCP handshake issue, but I've never heard anybody mention anything similar before. Have any of you folks seen this happen??

Yea the autosource is bugged.
post #4546 of 6024
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Originally Posted by ryannnnn View Post

I've read many reviews and all the gripes in this thread.. every TV has multiple reported problems, but does this one have more? Maybe it's because I have really only researched this particular brand and model extensively. For the price and picture quality it is awesome. Is it worth purchasing? I plan to get a Blu-Ray player soon, and play a lot of Xbox 360 on it.

Yeah, every TV has some weird thing going on with it. What's important is how much the possible issues will affect you. The 4 HDMI ports being on 1 hub ruins this TV for a lot of people, but all I'm using is 1 of them so it doesn't really matter to me. 1:1 pixel mapping could lead to annoyances, but I've tuned out most of the things associated with that the first week or so.

It's possible that there are more of these with hardware problems, but if you get a warranty you can always get it fixed/traded in. Remember that there have been hardware and firmware revisions since this thready started, so in some cases problems mentioned in this uber-long thread have been fixed. In other cases, some people have more money or are more picky - I have a friend who will not buy a monitor or TV with more than 4ms response time, because he swears he sees ghosting on 8ms- both decent reasons to spring for a pricier set, if I saw ghosting on my $980 investment I wouldn't settle for it.

Overall, I'm very happy with the set. Great price, perfect size, good picture quality, a decent amount of settings/options/connections, and I'm covered for 4 years if anything goes wrong. PS3 games and Blu-Ray movies look fantastic. I'd say go for it, bring it home, and try to find problems with it. You can always return it.
post #4547 of 6024
I have the TX-47F430S (TW-51212-C047A) with version 1.3 firmware and a PS3 with the latest firmware and I'm getting the shaky video (vertical fluctuation) during gameplay but not with the XMB. I don't have any BD movies so I can't test this yet. I also have the simulated burn-in issue too. I bought this TV from BB in January and I'm not sure what to do now. I'm debating returning the TV and getting a different one altogether. I'm not satisfied with the option of cycling power in order to get rid of the flickering at the bottom either. I suppose I'm seeking the opinion of others regarding this issue. Thoughts?
post #4548 of 6024
I haven't checked back in this thread for over a year due to losing hope in westinghouse, but it seems like they are at least trying to improve themselves.

A few questions if someone can answer

I have the LVM 42W2 firmware 1.6.

1- Is there a firmware update for this model possible as I do not see any USB ports available on this tv?

I tried registering, but it says my serial # is not valid even after registering. Maybe its not updateable?



2- I have the 4 year warranty from BB and was wondering if anyone had problems swapping out there 42w2 for store credit and using that credit toward another tv?

I am looking at the new 120HZ ones. I am sure BB will try to exchange it for the new model, but will showing them these forums and telling them that there are many known issues with it maybe store credit was possible toward another TV.
post #4549 of 6024
i believe a technician has to intall firmware updates for that series.

i also had that set with a bb warranty and finally sold it to a friend who is still enjoying it to this day.

i had the upgrade bug but thought the westy was very good in it's price range.

you can certainly justify an exchange if you say the right things re: known issues but my experience with bb is that they will make you go through the cycle of calling for service at least 3 times before offering you the exchange.

if you are lucky maybe the gripe you have will be known in their database and approve your exchange faster.

i'd say get that ball rolling asap because it could be a process that takes a few months. the process involves scheduling techs to come out and then waiting for parts to be ordered. i have been given dates for panel replacements which they never intended to fulfill(but had to wait out the alotted time in their estimate). then they finally fessed up and said no panel>then approved the exchange.


when i sold it to my friend i told him that the exchange had been approved.
the good thing now is that this exchange doesn't have an expiration date.
he could walk in today and get full cred on a new set.
post #4550 of 6024
I have called numerous times to westinghouse to upgrade the firmware, but no luck and do not recall anyone on here that actually got a house visit from them to upgrade the firmware.

I will be moving to a different area soon and wish to get a bigger size if this goes thru and since my room now cannot fit anything bigger than a 42 inch I will have to wait when its near that time to get this done.

I guess getting the warranty for this set was a very good move.

Another thing I did was tape record on my camcorder everytime something has happened. I have about 4 instances where it locked up and would not respond to anything except for an unplug or the PS3 going to a static screen when changing screens and also if the tv was on and for some reason would not turn off. I made sure to record me pressing the power button on the locks up and using the remote until I had to unplug and reboot the set which is extremely annoying when I am about to sleep and it wont respond to to the remote.

Do you think this will speed up the process or will they need more proof? =)

BTW how does the exchange work do you need to bring in the tv to bestbuy or does someone pick it up from you?
post #4551 of 6024
now i remember, westinghouse promised to send a tech out and nobody ever came out. some people got them but many didn't

you have to call best buy warranty service and tell them your situation. they will send someone out (who is contrated with them in your area) this is the person who will report back
to bb. if he gives them the correct info then bb will approve a return but not until you've done this dance back and forth 3 times.

i've tried bringing the set back to a store only to be turned away. their policy is to work through the warranty service until you get an approval. then you can bring it back. not sure if they do pick up. if you bought online you might be able to get a pickup. call them.
post #4552 of 6024
Anyone have a problem with connecting a Blu Ray set for 1080P 24 fps with the 47f430s? I have a Samsung BD-UP5000 that when set for 24 fps I get a picture, but the "no input signal' & input info display comes up & won't go away. Very annoying.
post #4553 of 6024
Hello new to the forum here but have been searching through for awhile. I have the Westinghouse TX-47F430S connected to a PS3 through HDMI. I just got the tv earlier this week and had a question for some of you guys. So far the tv's been working great. However when I'm at Circuit City or Best Buy they always have the display tv hooked up to a Blu Ray player with that amazing "feels like you're in the movie" look. You know the one I'm talking about.

So I was wondering how I get this look? My PS3 is set to 1080p and through research I've come across this "calibration" issue. Is this true? Do I have to get some guy to come over to my place and calibrate my television? Can I do this through the calibration settings in the menu settings? Any help is greatly appreciated.
post #4554 of 6024
Calibration isn't an issue- it's just that the default settings don't always look so hot. Somewhere in the 140's pages of this thread is a list of a couple of people's settings. You can do it yourself, in the TV's menu. Pick one as a starting point, and adjust from there to what looks best for you.

As for that "in the movie" feeling, which I tend to recognize as a 3D-ish "pop" to the picture, it depends on the movie. As someone who doesn't have definitive knowledge about this sort of thing, I'd guess it has to do with original source quality and the quality of the transfer. I haven't watched a ton of BluRay movies yet, but 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Planet Earth documentaries, and pretty much any Pixar film have it. I'd check out one of the billion sites that review Blu-Ray movies and start picking out films that got a high score in Visual Quality. A Netflix account is a good way to test a wide variety of picture quality/styles. I'm really itching to see how A Scanner Darkly or Sin City look.
post #4555 of 6024
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Originally Posted by beanmen View Post

Hello new to the forum here but have been searching through for awhile. I have the Westinghouse TX-47F430S connected to a PS3 through HDMI. I just got the tv earlier this week and had a question for some of you guys. So far the tv's been working great. However when I'm at Circuit City or Best Buy they always have the display tv hooked up to a Blu Ray player with that amazing "feels like you're in the movie" look. You know the one I'm talking about.

So I was wondering how I get this look? My PS3 is set to 1080p and through research I've come across this "calibration" issue. Is this true? Do I have to get some guy to come over to my place and calibrate my television? Can I do this through the calibration settings in the menu settings? Any help is greatly appreciated.

As Martez mentioned, you have the capability to adjust various settings until the set displays what *you* like.

The next link is a specific post from a fellow-owner that had compiled a list of various other owner's professed settings. As mentioned just after that poster's compilation...these settings don't necessarily mean anything for *you* compared to the other owners both because 1) your likes could be significantly different than theirs, and 2) your 'A/V setup', brand/quality of wiring, etc. very likely will differ from theirs. Still, play with the settings until you are happy with what you see. Here's that post/link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3730

And as far as considering something to watch that might provide you with the best PQ experience for that "feels like you're in the movies"...try this BD tier thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post10733385

Hope these posts help...

- Dave

PS. I purchased the 47" last Friday, but am awaiting taking delivery until I get DirecT? out to replace my 3-LNB with a 5-LNB and upgrade to a HR-21. So you're really ahead of me in the game...cuz my set is still racked at BB at the moment...
post #4556 of 6024
Hey guys - has anyone noticed that, when watching an HD feed, when stuff moves fast this TV shows a lot of artifacts, like the picture is very blocky.

i.e.: When watching an HD feed of a hockey game, its very clear and crisp when no one is moving, but when the game is in play, things are pretty blurry/blocky...

Any thoughts?
post #4557 of 6024
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Originally Posted by amorak View Post

Hey guys - has anyone noticed that, when watching an HD feed, when stuff moves fast this TV shows a lot of artifacts, like the picture is very blocky.

i.e.: When watching an HD feed of a hockey game, its very clear and crisp when no one is moving, but when the game is in play, things are pretty blurry/blocky...

Any thoughts?

HD feed from where? If it is any kind of tv service other than an antenna you're seeing their crappy recompression.
post #4558 of 6024
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Originally Posted by cozmogeek View Post

HD feed from where? If it is any kind of tv service other than an antenna you're seeing their crappy recompression.

I am in Calgary, so I am talking about HD feeds through Shaw (cable service provider), and I am talking about pretty much any HD channel.... So it's just me seing compression ''jaggies'' ?
post #4559 of 6024
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Originally Posted by amorak View Post

I am in Calgary, so I am talking about HD feeds through Shaw (cable service provider), and I am talking about pretty much any HD channel.... So it's just me seing compression ''jaggies'' ?

It isn't jaggies it is mpeg compression artifacts. Get a blu-ray player and you won't see that at all. it has nothing to do with the tv. Sadly every tv service provider seems to have the same problem. They have too many channels so they over compress them to the point where it looks bad but nobody seems to care. Directv is far worse than comcast though. I'm not sure about your cable company.
post #4560 of 6024
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Originally Posted by amorak View Post

Hey guys - has anyone noticed that, when watching an HD feed, when stuff moves fast this TV shows a lot of artifacts, like the picture is very blocky.

i.e.: When watching an HD feed of a hockey game, its very clear and crisp when no one is moving, but when the game is in play, things are pretty blurry/blocky...

Any thoughts?

Like Cozmogeek said, it's the broadcast, not the TV. I saw the same thing and was worried it was the TV, but after hooking up a PS3 and watching some Blu-Ray movies, confirmed it was just the craptacular broadcasting.

Still, I get Jericho in HD so I can't really complain...
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