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post #211 of 534
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Originally Posted by akosoft View Post

I would like a continuous fan speed that makes about 28db Sony....please put that in 2.0

Something like this Sony:

1 - Very low fan speed (Blu ray mode)
2 - Medium fan speed
3 - Boy it's hot mode
4 - auto select on / off

The reason the fan speed goes up is to cool the system down.......do you really want your PS3 to overtheat? Didn't think so.
post #212 of 534
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Originally Posted by stipus View Post

I have the PS3 connected to the Mitsu HC5000 with a HDMI to DVI cable, and I haven't seen such problem. Everything works great including 1080p24.

Is your DVI Cable end connected to your PS3 with an HDMI to DVI adapter? Single of Dual Link DVI connection?

I.
post #213 of 534
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Originally Posted by Tripps View Post

I don't know if anyone had noticed yet, but I tried the Nine Inch Nails: Beside You In Time Blu-Ray disc and it now correctly outputs at 1080p on my Mits WD-57732 where as before it was only 1080i. I would assume this is because of the 1080p24 settings. Kudos to Sony, this is a great update all around.

Did it show 1080p24 or 1080p30?

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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

I don't know how 1080p/24 would help you with NIN BD as it is natively 1080i. If anything, you may be inducing judder by deinterlacing.

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Originally Posted by MaynardJames View Post

Nope. Beside You In Time is encoded as 1080p30, but since the BD spec does not currently support it, it is flagged as 1080i60. Before the update, the PS3 was reading the flags of the disc, hence it showing up as 1080i. If it now shows up as 1080p, I am assuming that the update makes it so the PS3 ignores the flags, and diplays the encoded resolution.

Once I get the TV set up in the new house, I will have to check if my SXRD shows it now as 1080p or still as 1080i.

That isn't quite how Kris Deering explained it here but on the right track. On another forum Kris stated that most stand alone BD players will properly deinterlace the NIN video to 1080p30 but the PS3 would not (maybe it does now). I wonder if it's showing 1080p24 or 1080p30? I am going to check on my PT-AX100U when I get home. EWL5 was right in stating that you would not want it doing 1080p24 as neither 30 or 60 are direct multiples of 24 and you could therefore be causing more issues.

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Originally Posted by necrolop View Post

The reason is that sometimes i wanna play PS3 or watch a movie without using my sound system, such as late at night , or when just casualy playing.

Get some blue tooth headphones paired with your PS3 then. I think I am going to look at some Motorola S9's so I might have to put my Logitech BT headphones up for sale.

I wish they would add support for having it output video from HDMI and composite at the same time. Well, maybe not at the same time but with the new media center ability I would like to not have to turn on my projector to get to the PS3's menu and choose a playlist. Well, as of yet I haven't gotten the streaming media to work yet. What I want to do is connect a 7" LCD (like the ones that come with those dual output portable DVD's) to the PS3 for when I want to play music only.
post #214 of 534
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Originally Posted by mustang5o View Post

That isn't quite how Kris Deering explained it here but on the right track. On another forum Kris stated that most stand alone BD players will properly deinterlace the NIN video to 1080p30 but the PS3 would not (maybe it does now). I wonder if it's showing 1080p24 or 1080p30? I am going to check on my PT-AX100U when I get home. EWL5 was right in stating that you would not want it doing 1080p24 as neither 30 or 60 are direct multiples of 24 and you could therefore be causing more issues.

That may not be how Kris explained it, but that is how the production supervisor of the disc explained it here.

I agree that 1080p24 has nothing to do with this title, but maybe there was something included in this update that now allows the PS3 to diplay the encoded stream, and ignore the flags.
post #215 of 534
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Originally Posted by degas View Post

For me (AE-700), this is absolutely true.
When I changed from 1080i ->720p, everything looked much sharper and had more depth.

I was very surprised actually.


thanks for the reply. I actually found out that 720p is better than 1080i on native 720s

So, I just watch the Queen on 720 and it acutally looks much better in 720. I so happy about this update. Now onto Iwojima!!
post #216 of 534
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Originally Posted by stipus View Post

I have the PS3 connected to the Mitsu HC5000 with a HDMI to DVI cable, and I haven't seen such problem. Everything works great including 1080p24.

Good news. I have the Mitsu HC 5000 myself. Could you tell me if you really see any differences/improvements with 1080p/24 from the PS3 vs 1080p/60? I mean, any noticeable differences? Not only when it comes to judder, but if there are more details in picture with 1080p/24?

Also, do you know what output the HC5000 give when it's fed 1080p/24, does it output in 1080p/24, 1080p/48 or 1080/72?

The Mitsu being so quiet as it is, does the PS3 seem noisy when the two are used together?

(I already have a Panasonic BD player (only outputting 1080p/60), but are planning on buying a second player, and are considering the PS3 - especially now if the 1080p/24 output is useful with the Mitsu).

Some questions for you there, but hope you can help me
post #217 of 534
OK, i got the streaming to work for sdtv but my HD OTA recordings are freezing, they are mpeg2's. Anyone experiencing this issue?

Not many responses on the streaming,...does anyone care?!
post #218 of 534
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Originally Posted by essogas View Post

I'm using Pioneer Elite 84TSXi

Hi,

I am using the Pioneer VSX-AX4ASi-G which is the Japanese version for Elite 84TSXi, when I use 1080/24P with my PS3 (PS3--> Pioneer --> Panasonic AE1000), my Panasonic AE1000 do recognise the signal as 1080/24P but the picture and sound will suddenly be loss for a while and come back again.... have you tried it with 24P?
post #219 of 534
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Originally Posted by NoUDont View Post

OK, i got the streaming to work for sdtv but my HD OTA recordings are freezing, they are mpeg2's. Anyone experiencing this issue?

Not many responses on the streaming,...does anyone care?!

Streaming hd recordings takes alot of bandwidth up i think..is it freezing for a moment then starting again. How are you streaming wired or wireless..if it is wireless I know you need a least 54 mbps for hd video..more would be better.

Also check this thread..http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=853245
post #220 of 534
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Originally Posted by koreamanloves24 View Post

thanks for the reply. I actually found out that 720p is better than 1080i on native 720s

So, I just watch the Queen on 720 and it acutally looks much better in 720. I so happy about this update. Now onto Iwojima!!



Saw your post and was wondering how to switch the PS3 between 1080i and 720p. I do not see any way to change it unless you change it under DISPLAY in the menu and just select 480p (cannot disengage this) and 720p. Currently I have selected 720p and 1080i and everthing comes in as 1080i incuding standard dvd.

I would appreciate your help and info.

Thank you.

Tony
post #221 of 534
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

Streaming hd recordings takes alot of bandwidth up i think..is it freezing for a moment then starting again. How are you streaming wired or wireless..if it is wireless I know you need a least 54 mbps for hd video..more would be better.

Also check this thread..http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=853245

Thanks for replying tingham. I am running at 54mbps. The pc is hard wired to the router while i have the PS3 wireless. It is doing just that, freezing and then starting up again. I will read that thread.

Thanks again.
post #222 of 534
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Originally Posted by OTS View Post

Hi,

I am using the Pioneer VSX-AX4ASi-G which is the Japanese version for Elite 84TSXi, when I use 1080/24P with my PS3 (PS3--> Pioneer --> Panasonic AE1000), my Panasonic AE1000 do recognise the signal as 1080/24P but the picture and sound will suddenly be loss for a while and come back again.... have you tried it with 24P?

Hello!

I have the same problem (1080/24p not possible via my AV) with my Pioneer VSX-AX2AV-S (EU model - similar to the US model VSX-72TXV). I spoke last week with Pioneer and they informed me, that a firmware update is available (from October 2006). This firmware are including HDMI improvements...

I will contact the service center this week.

Udo
post #223 of 534
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Originally Posted by Potetgullmannen View Post

Good news. I have the Mitsu HC 5000 myself. Could you tell me if you really see any differences/improvements with 1080p/24 from the PS3 vs 1080p/60? I mean, any noticeable differences? Not only when it comes to judder, but if there are more details in picture with 1080p/24?

I don't see judder anymore ... but I don't think there are more details. It's the same picture without judder.

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Also, do you know what output the HC5000 give when it's fed 1080p/24, does it output in 1080p/24, 1080p/48 or 1080/72?

The HC5000 info screen says 1920x1080 @ 23.98 Hz

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The Mitsu being so quiet as it is, does the PS3 seem noisy when the two are used together?

My PS3 is about 5 meters from my listening point... I don't hear it.

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(I already have a Panasonic BD player (only outputting 1080p/60), but are planning on buying a second player, and are considering the PS3 - especially now if the 1080p/24 output is useful with the Mitsu).

Some questions for you there, but hope you can help me

Yes 1080p24 is really usefull. This feature removes all jerky pannings I experienced with 1080p60 output.
post #224 of 534
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Originally Posted by NoUDont View Post

Thanks for replying tingham. I am running at 54mbps. The pc is hard wired to the router while i have the PS3 wireless. It is doing just that, freezing and then starting up again. I will read that thread.

Thanks again.

54 mbps is the raw speed of 802.11g. However, actual throughput is only about half of that or even less. If you are streaming MPEG2 HD stuff that take up 19Mbps, you will have glitches over 802.11g. I recommend wired ethernet. PS3 should have come with 802.11n like the AppleTV then it would be nice.
post #225 of 534
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

54 mbps is the raw speed of 802.11g. However, actual throughput is only about half of that or even less. If you are streaming MPEG2 HD stuff that take up 19Mbps, you will have glitches over 802.11g. I recommend wired ethernet. PS3 should have come with 802.11n like the AppleTV then it would be nice.

If you can get half of the theoretical throughput of 802.11g I'd like to hear what you have done to achieve this With interferences, etc. you'd probably get ~1/3 of that.
post #226 of 534
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Originally Posted by UdoG View Post

Hello!

I have the same problem (1080/24p not possible via my AV) with my Pioneer VSX-AX2AV-S (EU model - similar to the US model VSX-72TXV). I spoke last week with Pioneer and they informed me, that a firmware update is available (from October 2006). This firmware are including HDMI improvements...

I will contact the service center this week.

Udo

Thank a lot Udo... unfortunately, the update seem not available here in Hong Kong.... maybe I need to search to see if there is any download available... thank anyway
post #227 of 534
I'm not sure if the FW update will solve the problem - but I will keep you informed.

Udo
post #228 of 534
I can verify that the PS3 24hz option works with my setup. PS3-> Pioneer 84txsi -> Sony VPL-50 "pearl". All ran via HDMI of course. Did the update yesterday and checked with POTC 1 last night.

As for all of the comments about "clearer", "more detail", "more focused", I felt the same way when I originally posted my comments about 24fps output with the Sony BDP-S1. Of course I got blasted by other members.

I know there isn't any more detail, but the picture does look (clearer, more detailed, more focused) on panning and movement. JMHO.
post #229 of 534
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Originally Posted by stipus View Post

I don't see judder anymore ... but I don't think there are more details. It's the same picture without judder.



The HC5000 info screen says 1920x1080 @ 23.98 Hz



My PS3 is about 5 meters from my listening point... I don't hear it.



Yes 1080p24 is really usefull. This feature removes all jerky pannings I experienced with 1080p60 output.

Very good news indeed. Thank you!

One more question, like you say the HC5000 infoscreen says 1920x1080@23.98Hz... but I'm not sure if it only display it's input signal, what it is fed if you know what I mean, and not the output? Because when I feed it 576i or 480i from my Toshiba HD E1 HD DVD player it says that resolution in the info screen, and not the output upscaled and de-interlaced resolution of 1920x1080p. (I use my Mitsu for upscaling /de-interlacing of sd dvd content). What are your thoughts about this?

Anyway, the most important thing is that the judder is gone. Though I have to admit that I am not that sensitive to it like many others are. But still nice though.
post #230 of 534
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Originally Posted by phansson View Post

I can verify that the PS3 24hz option works with my setup. PS3-> Pioneer 84txsi -> Sony VPL-50 "pearl". All ran via HDMI of course. Did the update yesterday and checked with POTC 1 last night.

As for all of the comments about "clearer", "more detail", "more focused", I felt the same way when I originally posted my comments about 24fps output with the Sony BDP-S1. Of course I got blasted other members.

I know there isn't any more detail, but the picture does look (clearer, more detailed, more focused) on panning and movement. JMHO.

I think that it makes sense, though I'm no expert in this. If it earlier did the standard 1080p24 from the disc into 1080i60 --> 1080p/60 via deinterlacing like most others players out there, it could be that it lost some information in moving areas in the de-interlacing process if the software de-interlacer solution was not 100% up to it. While now it maybe gets the 1080p/24 straight of the disc or does a true inverse telecine of the 1080i60 if it still goes via that resolution. But there are bunch of people on this forum that might correct me or fill me (us) in on this.

Anyway, beleive your eyes and not the numbers!

I
post #231 of 534
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Originally Posted by Potetgullmannen View Post

Very good news indeed. Thank you!

One more question, like you say the HC5000 infoscreen says 1920x1080@23.98Hz... but I'm not sure if it only display it's input signal, what it is fed if you know what I mean, and not the output? Because when I feed it 576i or 480i from my Toshiba HD E1 HD DVD player it says that resolution in the info screen, and not the output upscaled and de-interlaced resolution of 1920x1080p. (I use my Mitsu for upscaling /de-interlacing of sd dvd content). What are your thoughts about this?

Anyway, the most important thing is that the judder is gone. Though I have to admit that I am not that sensitive to it like many others are. But still nice though.

Honestly I don't know what the real output is... I have seen some forum posts with people saying 24p is displayed at 48Hz... but nothing official.
post #232 of 534
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Originally Posted by donricouga View Post

We should have started a thread based on the important 1.8 upgrades. As this thread is going to get messy real quick

-One for 1080p@24Hz
-One for DVD upscaling
-One for RGB Full and Super White over HDMI
-One for that networking thing
-One for everything else.

Anyhow, i suggest for people who have a TV that only supports 60Hz, like my hl-s5087w, turn off 1080p24 support. You don't need it because its useless for us.

Does this mean turning off 1080p24 on my settings even though my Samsung is 1080p that from now on Blu-Ray movies won't play in true 1080p?
post #233 of 534
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Originally Posted by Skitch View Post

Does this mean turning off 1080p24 on my settings even though my Samsung is 1080p that from now on Blu-Ray movies won't play in true 1080p?

No. You will still be getting 1080p. The only difference is that for 1080P 24Hz content (e.g. movies) each frame will be repeated with a 3:2 cadence to make up 60Hz (i.e. 12 frames x3 = 36 plus 12 frames x2 = 24, alternated, gives you 60 fps or 1080P 60Hz). 1080P 24Hz is just each frame output once only instead of 3:2. Savvy?! (to quote CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow )
post #234 of 534
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Originally Posted by acermena View Post

Saw your post and was wondering how to switch the PS3 between 1080i and 720p. I do not see any way to change it unless you change it under DISPLAY in the menu and just select 480p (cannot disengage this) and 720p. Currently I have selected 720p and 1080i and everthing comes in as 1080i incuding standard dvd.

I would appreciate your help and info.

Thank you.

Tony

You've hit it right there. Uncheck 1080i leaving 720p checked and you should be good to go. You can always go back and re-check 1080i if you prefer that setting later.
post #235 of 534
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Originally Posted by ToEhrIsHuman View Post

No. You will still be getting 1080p. The only difference is that for 1080P 24Hz content (e.g. movies) each frame will be repeated with a 3:2 cadence to make up 60Hz (i.e. 12 frames x3 = 36 plus 12 frames x2 = 24, alternated, gives you 60 fps or 1080P 60Hz). 1080P 24Hz is just each frame output once only instead of 3:2. Savvy?! (to quote CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow )

Wow, I don't understand a word you just said but I thank you for taking the time to explain that to me.

I guess then can you answer this: Am I missing something by having to turn off the 1080p24 since updating the Firmware with my PS3? Because it seems that's the only way NOW my Blu-Ray's will play. If I'm not missing anything, then you sure my Blu-Ray's will still play in a beautiful 1080p?

How would I find out if my Samsung DLP can do 1080p/24?
post #236 of 534
4 frames ABCD from the film stored on the BRD.

With 1080p60 they become AAABBCCCDD --> you get jerky output unless your TV can do inverse telecine properly (ie recreate ABCD and display this at a multiple of 24Hz).

With 1080p24, you directly get a picture as smooth as if you go to the movies.

And to reply your question, some Samsung TVs do support 1080p24, but unfortunately the reported EDID seems to be wrong... and this means the PS3 does not recognize the TV as supporting 1080p24.
post #237 of 534
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Originally Posted by Skitch View Post

Wow, I don't understand a word you just said but I thank you for taking the time to explain that to me.

I guess then can you answer this: Am I missing something by having to turn off the 1080p24 since updating the Firmware with my PS3? Because it seems that's the only way NOW my Blu-Ray's will play. If I'm not missing anything, then you sure my Blu-Ray's will still play in a beautiful 1080p?

How would I find out if my Samsung DLP can do 1080p/24?

1080p/24 will usually be highlighted in advertising (ie. Samsung's own website) or at the very least, in the user's manual under the specs page.
post #238 of 534
Has anyone been able to stream hi def material with their PS3? I have tried footage from my high def camcorder and all I get is a bad picture and studder. I am using Nero Home to stream. Any suggestions? I have a Tvix 4100 which is able to stream HD very well, but just curious about the PS3's streaming capabilities.
post #239 of 534
Anybody know of a Blue Ray disc that definitely has blacker than blacks encoded correctly? I don't see any difference when toggling Super White when using Taledega Nights and T2; however, I do see a difference when I toggle in DVD Finding Nimo and DVD Star Wars. I have tried my tests at 1080i and 720p since I read before that the Pioneer FHD1 does't display BTB at 1080p. The results are the same. DVDs (upscaled or not) show BTB, Blue Rays do not.

Also, I downloaded the brightness.jpg to test if my display handles RGB FULL. I can only see the outlines of the boxes when the PS3 is set to RGB FULL. Does this mean that the FHD1 can't handle it?
post #240 of 534
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Originally Posted by antidata27 View Post

Anybody know of a Blue Ray disc that definitely has blacker than blacks encoded correctly? I don't see any difference when toggling Super White when using Taledega Nights and T2;

All SONY studio discs contain calibration screens which can be found by accessing the OPTIONs menu. Select the TRIANGLE button and type 7669. You can find the SMPTE bars which have correctly encoded PLUGE. There are three stripes in the PLUGE area. Set your BRIGHTNESS such that the one on the left, which is encoded below black, disappears. The one in the middle is black and the one on the right is above black.

There is nothing wrong in using a DVD such as DVE or the GETGREY disc for BRIGHTNESS/CONTRAST as Code 16 and Code 235 are the same regardless of whether they are SD or HD.

ted
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