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The Wilson Watt/Puppy 8

post #1 of 53
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I thought it would be fun to share my initial listening impressions of the WP8 speakers.

The WP8s have reduced the level of grain in the midrange and high end. Not only does it sound more relaxed, but more information gets through. My wife stated that the new speakers sound less fuzzy than the old ones. The spatial reproduction with the WP8s is quite startling with familiar material. The slight midrange brightness and mid bass prominence of the 7s has also been significantly reduced. I suspect that this is the reason some folks think that the WP7s sound better than the 8s in the store environment. The WP8 is also more dynamic sounding than the 7s.

I am not suggesting that the WP7s are anything less than a wonderful speaker. I had these speakers for four years and loved them. But to suggest that Dave Wilson designed a new speaker that is not superior to its predecessor is simply not true. The man is definitely in tune with his market.

My system is composed of Levinson 33H amps and Levinson 32 preamp. Wilson Watch Dog II, Wavelength Audio Crimson USB DAC, Basis V Vacuum table with Graham Phantom tone arm and Koetsu Jade cartridge. Cables and AC cords are Revelation Audio Labs. PS Audio Premier Power Plants are also used.
post #2 of 53
Congrats on your W/P8 speakers. I had demoed the 7s awhile ago and almost bought them. The dealer warned me that the 8s would be released in a few months and that I should wait. After they were released I had a few chances to buy the 7s at low prices, but when I heard the 8s I lost all interest in the 7s, and then recently, after finishing my 2-channel optimized HT room, took the plunge on the 8s myself...

I haven't seen any review yet that says they aren't better sounding than the 7s (or at least more refined, etc). The worst I have seen is complaints about the pricing for the added expense of extravagance. I personally loved how they sounded, even at HES2007 in those two hotel rooms with different equipment (uncannily real sounding).
post #3 of 53
WP 8's are certainly a great speaker but as I have posted many times here before it was my opinion that for anyone to upgrade from WP 7's to WP 8's was a lateral move. Those who had 7's and were looking to upgrade were best served by going to MAXX ll's which IMO for the money are absolutely wonderful
post #4 of 53
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

WP 8's are certainly a great speaker but as I have posted many times here before it was my opinion that for anyone to upgrade from WP 7's to WP 8's was a lateral move. Those who had 7's and were looking to upgrade were best served by going to MAXX ll's which IMO for the money are absolutely wonderful

Without a doubt the Maxx IIs are great speakers, and worth it if you can accommodate them. Other considerations may be important when considering a movement from one size speaker to another, such as room volume, room design (acoustically) and wall to wall dimensions. Too large a speaker for too small a room isn't always a good thing. Rooms are instruments of sound too. I'm not sure what splaskin's particular situation happens to be, but someone may happen along who will run into issues with these room considerations if they try to move upwards in upgrades instead of laterally.
post #5 of 53
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Originally Posted by QueueCumber View Post

Without a doubt the Maxx IIs are great speakers, and worth it if you can accommodate them. Other considerations may be important when considering a movement from one size speaker to another, such as room volume, room design (acoustically) and wall to wall dimensions. Too large a speaker for too small a room isn't always a good thing. Rooms are instruments of sound too. I'm not sure what splaskin's particular situation happens to be, but someone may happen along who will run into issues with these room considerations if they try to move upwards in upgrades instead of laterally.

You're preaching to the choir here sir
post #6 of 53
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

You're preaching to the choir here sir

I was wondering where that beautiful singing was coming from!
post #7 of 53
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Originally Posted by QueueCumber View Post

I was wondering where that beautiful singing was coming from!

Probably from my Wilson X-2's in an acoustically pretty darn good room
post #8 of 53
BTW Splaskin...I think your gear is terrific.

Enjoy the music.
post #9 of 53
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

Probably from my Wilson X-2's in an acoustically pretty darn good room

Very nice. Now those are speakers to aspire towards.
post #10 of 53
Over the past 10 years I have owned pretty much all of Dave's speakers except for the WAMM.

After I graduated from Maggie's I then went to Thiel and then WP 5.1, WP 6, MAXX-ls and X-1 Series lll bedore the X-2.
I also have the XS and WATCH center surround and rear.

Needless to say I love the Wilson sound and won't ever buy another speaker or amp for that matter

I heard the X-2's in Dave's living room just after their release and I was stunned that they made the X-1 seem ordinary.

So I am not making light of your quest. There are many great speakers out there but for me it is the Wilson sound which rocks my sonic boat
post #11 of 53
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

Over the past 10 years I have owned pretty much all of Dave's speakers except for the WAMM.

After I graduated from Maggie's I then went to Thiel and then WP 5.1, WP 6, MAXX-ls and X-1 Series lll bedore the X-2.
I also have the XS and WATCH center surround and rear.

Needless to say I love the Wilson sound and won't ever buy another speaker or amp for that matter

I heard the X-2's in Dave's living room just after their release and I was stunned that they made the X-1 seem ordinary.

So I am not making light of your quest. There are many great speakers out there but for me it is the Wilson sound which rocks my sonic boat

So far I've had the same experience, though nowhere near as extensive as your own. Even at HE 2007, I just didn't hear anything I thought was better sounding to my ears. I spent the last year and a half after hearing the Watt/Puppy 7 trying to convince myself I was happy with my previous speaker, but I wasn't. I waited until my room was nearly completed, except for fine tuning, to see if it resolved any of my overwhelming issues with my previous speaker, and it didn't. After hearing the W/P8 recently and loving it even more, I decided purchasing it was the best decision. Now I don't have to pine for the sound I enjoy.

Funny enough, I've demoed a lot of speakers, albeit not always in the best rooms, but nothing has done the same thing for me sonically either. Even with the Wilsons in equally bad rooms, they make recordings seem so there and alive. I get the feeling I have a long road of expensive upgrades in store, I'm just going to have to take my time and enjoy the ride.
post #12 of 53
just remember that it is a journey and not a destination
post #13 of 53
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just remember that it is a journey and not a destination

I'll be forever getting there.
post #14 of 53
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the complement OB.

I shared your view about the lateral move and avoided the upgrade from 7 to 8. An opportunity came my way that I decided to take. At that time I felt that the 8s were only a little better sounding than the 7s.

I was very surprised when I set up a pair of the 8s in my own system. I never expected such a large level of improvement. This has been confirmed by my audiophile friends. But the best complement came from my wife.

But, as OB stated, it is a journey and not a destination.

How right you are.
post #15 of 53
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I was very surprised when I set up a pair of the 8s in my own system. I never expected such a large level of improvement. This has been confirmed by my audiophile friends.

I brought a friend with me to HE2007. He had been skeptical of the price of the W/P 8s, so I really wanted him to hear them for himself. Once he heard them he understood. He still keeps bringing up how real the Frank Sinatra vocals sounded, and how right there in the room McGrath's recordings sounded.

I'm still debating if I should invite him for the voicing. I don't want people getting in the way of the process, so I might not invite anyone. I have two friends who I know would love to experience the setup process.

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But the best complement came from my wife.

I envy you your wife. My wife could care less about whether it is a Bose radio, outdoor Nile's speakers, the radio in the car, or Wilson Watt Puppy 8 speakers. Oh well, I guess it is a good thing in a way, seeing as she at least doesn't stop me from indulging my own audio desires. If anything I don't have to worry about fighting with her for listening time, though it would be nice to share that passion, we do have other passions we share. BTW, her purses are A LOT less expensive than my speakers (She told me to write that... LOL ).
post #16 of 53
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I'm still debating if I should invite him for the voicing. I don't want people getting in the way of the process, so I might not invite anyone. I have two friends who I know would love to experience the setup process.

It's pretty straight forward if you follow instructions in the Wilson manual
post #17 of 53
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I brought a friend with me to HE2007. He had been skeptical of the price of the W/P 8s, so I really wanted him to hear them for himself. Once he heard them he understood. He still keeps bringing up how real the Frank Sinatra vocals sounded, and how right there in the room McGrath's recordings sounded.

I'm still debating if I should invite him for the voicing. I don't want people getting in the way of the process, so I might not invite anyone. I have two friends who I know would love to experience the setup process.



I envy you your wife. My wife could care less about whether it is a Bose radio, outdoor Nile's speakers, the radio in the car, or Wilson Watt Puppy 8 speakers. Oh well, I guess it is a good thing in a way, seeing as she at least doesn't stop me from indulging my own audio desires. If anything I don't have to worry about fighting with her for listening time, though it would be nice to share that passion, we do have other passions we share. BTW, her purses are A LOT less expensive than my speakers (She told me to write that... LOL ).

I can help on that one...I was recently in New York and walked into a store with a friend of mine who was shopping for his wife...found a small purse for USD 8,000 and yes, they had much bigger ones as well...cannot for the life of me remember the brand...
post #18 of 53
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I can help on that one...I was recently in New York and walked into a store with a friend of mine who was shopping for his wife...found a small purse for USD 8,000 and yes, they had much bigger ones as well...cannot for the life of me remember the brand...

Hermes?
post #19 of 53
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn View Post

It's pretty straight forward if you follow instructions in the Wilson manual

They wouldn't mind seeing it in action though, via an experienced dealer, but I know they will ask a lot of questions and might want to stand in the room (adding extra absorption to the room). Best to keep things uncomplicated... I might change my mind though.
post #20 of 53
Thread Starter 
One new twist on the WP8 install I don't remember when doing the 7s. The even number serial number speakers are placed on the right; the odd on the left.
post #21 of 53
Heard the 8's with a Halcro HT processor. Sounded good. Easily better than the Sophia and the Duettes.
post #22 of 53
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One new twist on the WP8 install I don't remember when doing the 7s. The even number serial number speakers are placed on the right; the odd on the left.

if you are into classical symphonic music you should prepare to swap the speakers periodically for even out wear and tear. as you know where the bass and double bass are placed in the orchestra
post #23 of 53
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if you are into classical symphonic music you should prepare to swap the speakers periodically for even out wear and tear. as you know where the bass and double bass are placed in the orchestra


Bah... Just switch the right and left amplifier input wires every week or two. It won't sound that different. Heck, it might even liven those classical pieces up a little more! J/K

I actually do enjoy classical a lot, even if I don't listen to it as much as some other genres.
post #24 of 53
Even better than? Of course their better than the Duettas or Sophias I or II. Significantly better than!

Switch then from left to right or switch the wires if you play symphonic material? Please! Totally not necessary. Dave Wilson would be too polite to laugh. One bass driver might break in a little faster but after 100 hrs or so, there would be no benefit.
post #25 of 53
ok but switching speaker wires or amplifier input cables will also shift the positions of the 1st violins and double bass etc. this is a no no unless you dont appreciate proper sound positioning

it is about wear and tear with more bass heavy materials on right side and more highs on left . definitely no relationship to breaking in
post #26 of 53
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Dave Wilson would be too polite to laugh.

he may suggest a swap every 6 months
post #27 of 53
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Switch then from left to right or switch the wires if you play symphonic material? Please! Totally not necessary. Dave Wilson would be too polite to laugh. One bass driver might break in a little faster but after 100 hrs or so, there would be no benefit.

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ok but switching speaker wires or amplifier input cables will also shift the positions of the 1st violins and double bass etc. this is a no no unless you dont appreciate proper sound positioning

it is about wear and tear with more bass heavy materials on right side and more highs on left . definitely no relationship to breaking in

LOL... I was making a joke, thus the J/K (Just/Kidding). No one in their right mind would switch the cables around and have the right speaker playing the left output and the left speaker playing the right output.
post #28 of 53
but i am serious thinking about how to properly maintain those highly priced speakers to use for years
post #29 of 53
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Originally Posted by QueueCumber View Post

Hermes?

No, Hermes I would have remembered it was an English/U.K. brand...
post #30 of 53
CPu

I will not go there.... Pretty soon we wil be back to these strange photographs-in-the-fridge-for-better-sound ideas...

I have heard the WP8 and it is a beter speaker than the 7. The WP8 is more neutral than the WP7... More reminiscent to the less colored "New Wilson Sound", a turn-around toward a less euphonics but ultimately more realistic and transparent reproduction that started with the X-2...

Would it make sense to upgrade from the 7 to the 8? IMHO , No.. too simlar,.. Yes the 8 is a better speaker but just an improvement of the same speaker... I agree on this with OB, a lateral move. If the person is bent on getting a better Wilson, then the choice is simple: MAXX-2!! no Doubt and with it as close a cure to upgrade-itis as one can get...However if the person just wants a better speaker, things become more interesting but that would be OT..
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