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post #151 of 10257
Thanks for that info mrgribbles as that was something I was very much waiting to hear about far as component to hdmi being dropped to 720p. That could be huge for many people especially those running to newer 1080p projectors hoping to just run 1 cable.

That said I dont have a projector so looks like I'll just have to run the component from my sa8300hd directly to my TV and optical to the 605, I was leaning that way anyway just so I could individually calibrate that input, likely send the xbox straight to the tv too with optical to 605 with the ps3 going straight to the 605 so I get full use out of all my individually calibrated settings on my tv and it will save an hdmi input on the 605 for a new hd-dvd player i'll likely buy. Least doing setup like this I will maximize the sound from all 4 of my components and keep the video good also.

Guess I just got lucky with the 4 components I'll have as 2 only get max sound quality from optical anyway and only the ps3/hddvd actually need to run straight into the 605 to get the newer codecs since my dvr and 360 elite far as tv/normal gaming go wouldnt take advantage of them anyway plus allows me to calibrate the dvr and the xbox themselves with the ps3/hddvd having to share settings.

At least your info helped me wire up my system in my mind now so that I can assure I order all my cabling today So thanks again
post #152 of 10257
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Hi AndrewP,

Are you able to bitstream or Raw signal feed TrueHD or DD+ from the Xbox or PS3 to the 605 to let it do the decoding??

I dont have any Blu Ray movies for the PS3. All of my Blockbuster online is currently HD DVD. How do I test Dolby Digital Plus? I dont have any HD DVD's with True HD at the moment either.
post #153 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post

I dont have any Blu Ray movies for the PS3. All of my Blockbuster online is currently HD DVD. How do I test Dolby Digital Plus? I dont have any HD DVD's with True HD at the moment either.

DD+ will work fine for this. I don't know my way around the Xbox add on but we'll try. 1st and most important, does the Xbox output over HDMI 1.3? If so, read on. If not, then we can't evaluate DD+ & bitstream as DD+ would need HDMI 1.3 for full transport.

Do you have the ability to select the audio out format over HDMI. I'd suspect that you may have the ability somewhere in the Xbox set up to select PCM - RAW - bitstream (or something else). If so, select RAW or Bitstream.

When you play the HD DVD then you may need to go into the settings menu for the disk itself and select your audio output. It may be under language as opposed to settings. If you have the option select DD+.

When you play the HD DVD see what the screen on the 605 displays. Maybe it will say DD+, or HD DD+. Thats it!!

Many thanks in advance for your time and effort.
post #154 of 10257
Thread Starter 
The Xbox does not output over HDMI 1.3. I am using compoenent for the 360 in any event. My HD-A2 is en route, but I will not have it setup until next weekend. I wish I had one here to try out.
post #155 of 10257
Thanks again. Good luck with the A2.
post #156 of 10257
mrgribbles, did you have to use the 605 video settings to recalibrate your TV like the other poster mentioned when using the upscale feature?
post #157 of 10257
I would like to use the 605 to combine signals to HDMI and then distribute the HDMI signal via a distribution amp.

e.g. take an vhs output (svhs + rca audio) to the 605 input, upconvert to hdmi, and then send the hdmi signal through the house (audio + video).

Will the rca audio from the vhs be output via hdmi? I have read some conflicting information.
post #158 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Dan_R_M View Post

mrgribbles, did you have use the 605 video settings to recalibrate your TV like the other poster mentioned when using the upscale feature?

I think you mean recalibrate the TV feed in the 605, not the TV. No, not yet. I have pushed the buttons up and down and they do work, actually the sharpness adjustment is very responsive, but I haven't put any serious effort into maintaining PQ. Too much understanding to do yet. BTW, the video settings in the 605 are input specific. If you have more than one device with analog input, it appears you can adjust each independently.

Keeping PQ is very important to me so I'm not a fan of a 20 into one HDMI switch. I may just go through the 605 with cable and direct with everything else. I certainly don't want the 605 fooling with the XA2 video stream. Reon HQV is supah.
post #159 of 10257
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Originally Posted by dc10forlife View Post

I would like to use the 605 to combine signals to HDMI and then distribute the HDMI signal via a distribution amp.

e.g. take an vhs output (svhs + rca audio) to the 605 input, upconvert to hdmi, and then send the hdmi signal through the house (audio + video).

Will the rca audio from the vhs be output via hdmi? I have read some conflicting information.

I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're planning but I think it can. Normally you would have HDMI audio-out turned off. If its on, then you would get no sound out of the AVR controlled speakers, but you would get video and audio out over HDMI.
post #160 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Major problem!!

I don't detect much of a difference if any going from my Moto 3416 STB to the TV in HDMI or component. So in order to facilitate my connection scheme I decided to run component into the 605 and then go out on HDMI. Thats an easy can-do.

I feel there is a modest PQ improvement on many SD channels so I benefit by doing this BUT the 605 takes my HD 1080i absolutely fine signal and down coverts it to 720p automatically. Even when the resolution setting is set to AUTO. It probably interlaces, de-interlaces, reconverts upconverts and then downconverts. I don't want it to do anything to a 1080i signal.

Ok, if I go through HDMI it's pass through. Great for the HD channels but now I don't get what benefit the Faroudjamacallit brings on the SD channels. I would like to do this on everything but HD.

So do I need to run an HDMI cable and a component cable? I could probably engineer a program sequence on my remote to run a half hour to change a channel program???

Anyone know a way to set this puppy up to only do its Faroudjamacallit on 480i signals only?

This is a bigtime problem and sorry 805 folks, I suspect, you too.

This is probably one reason the upscaling is not supported by Onkyo.
post #161 of 10257
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Originally Posted by arios39 View Post

Here are some pictures, but I'm not sure if they do any justice to what I see at home. The fist one is connecting the HDMI from the Motorola DVR (Comcast) to the HDMI on the receiver. This only allows pass through, so the resolution was 480i for SD. The next 2 are using the conversion skills from component from the Cable Box to HDMI out on the 605. The second picture is with Resolution in the 605 as Auto and the last pic is with 605's Resolution at 720p. As with my DVD player, the aspect changes to having bars on the sides. I still can't explain why it does that. In addition, as you can see in the last pic, there is a white line artifact on the top of the screen. I will not be using the component out of the Cable Box. The picture quality at 480p and 720p (last 2 pics) did look better that the standard HDMI to HDMI pass through, as it only gave me 480i.


I thought that the 605 would convert 480i to 480p. It seems as if some are reporting that 480i gets passed through as 480i. Is this a user defined setting? Does a HDMI input not get upconverted to 480p?
post #162 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Des anyone yet have a 605 and a BD player that WILL pass the raw bitstream to the 605?

Love to hear about it.


Me too
perhaps Andrews P

Thank for your feedback
post #163 of 10257
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Originally Posted by zimbot View Post

I thought that the 605 would convert 480i to 480p. It seems as if some are reporting that 480i gets passed through as 480i. Is this a user defined setting? Does a HDMI input not get upconverted to 480p?

The video processing works only on analog in, composite, component, s-video. HDMI is pass through only, regardless of signal resolution. 480i in 480i out over HDMI.
post #164 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

I think you mean recalibrate the TV feed in the 605, not the TV. No, not yet. I have pushed the buttons up and down and they do work, actually the sharpness adjustment is very responsive, but I haven't put any serious effort into maintaining PQ. Too much understanding to do yet. BTW, the video settings in the 605 are input specific. If you have more than one device with analog input, it appears you can adjust each independently.

Keeping PQ is very important to me so I'm not a fan of a 20 into one HDMI switch. I may just go through the 605 with cable and direct with everything else. I certainly don't want the 605 fooling with the XA2 video stream. Reon HQV is supah.


I don't get it. Going direct from the XA2 to the TV via HDMI will not allow you to get the best sound since only HDMI to the 605 can play THD, for example. You can't get the high-end sound if you use the optical link, only the vanilla DD and DTS.

My understanding is that if you link the XA2 through the 605 (HDMI) it will not affect the HQV at all and this is the best possible combination .

Sergio
post #165 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

The video processing works only on analog in, composite, component, s-video. HDMI is pass through only, regardless of signal resolution. 480i in 480i out over HDMI.

I am missing something important here... my apologies but, if HDMI passes straight through, why do you report HDMI 1080i->720p???
post #166 of 10257
II Major problem!! For all the serie 605-705-805-875

VIDEO
Since the first day i read the doc I understand that it's impossible to save the setting for these two different situation AUTO & 720p (605-705-805) or Pass Through to 1080p (875).

1-If you select AUTO (or anything else) you have the same setting for all your devices. It's STUPID.
The result is: ..half hour to change a channel program.

Example: your component IN need 720p or 1080i and your hdmi IN at 1080p need a Pass Through, what happen?

Do you want to loose 720p and see your program in 480i? Do you want to loose your 1080p signal using 720p setting!? The unique solution I'ts to change every time the mode AUTO to 720p for each devices (same problem in the 875)


VERY BAD JOKE Mr ONKYO! I don't want to loose half hour to change my IN setting for my DVD/SATSD/SATHD/PS3/DIVX/CAMCORDER Please we need to save for each IN one definitive and correct arrangement.

AUDIO
2/ Popping! The first 3 person have one 605 have the same problem! 100%!

I don't like this, and I understand now why the price is so cheap!

Sorry for my bad English speaking
post #167 of 10257
I'm thinking he got that with component 1080i in and HDMI out. What say you, mrgribbles?
post #168 of 10257
You do get it. Yes you're right, especially if the XA2 would send out the bitstream or RAW data. It won't, so I'm no better off than using my analog 5.1 set up for TrueHD.

Right now after fooling around with stuff I'm doing a bit of frustration venting. So, candidly, I don't know what the final layout will be especially since I'm waiting on the new Panny bd10a Who knows, right now I'm on the fence on whether to keep this 605 or not.
post #169 of 10257
mr gribbles -

Are you going to play with the 605 for the rest of the weekend and see if you can have any more luck? Thanks for giving us all this information. I'm not liking what I'm hearing though and am tempted to "jump ship" from my 605 pre-order on Monday.
post #170 of 10257
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

I am missing something important here... my apologies but, if HDMI passes straight through, why do you report HDMI 1080i->720p???

If you're using HDMI through the 605 its what goes in goes out. 1080i in 1080i out.

If I go in through component with a 1080i signal I then get 720p out over HDMI.
post #171 of 10257
40w2000,

Many thanks for your input but I think you're a bit off on some of the assessments, but right on on some.

I'm no tech writer but let me try to summarize the video thing.

If you go into the 605 with HDMI then you get pass through. No video processing. IN = OUT.

If you come in via analog (composite, component, s-video) then you can go out via HDMI and the video signal gets processed by Faroudja. For a 1080i signal, if in the resolution menu, I select AUTO or I select 720P, I get 720P out for my 1080i input. If I input a 480i signal then if in AUTO I would get 480P out. If I set the resolution to 720P, I would get 720P out for the same 480i input.

My problem is that I want to process 480i signals from my cable box but I don't want it to touch my 1080i feed for HD channels.

My joke about the 1/2 hour channel change is that I could connect a component and an HDMI cable. So when in HD I use HDMI, but for all others I would use component. I can program a remote to do this but, yowch!! What about the rest of the family. I'd have to attach an instruction sheet to the remote.

I believe but I haven't confirmed that it will save the inputs settings for analog video. I'll try to confirm this later today.

I personally think it would have been pretty easy for Onk to have let 1080 signals pass. Right now I have an HD movie on @ 1080i through component through the 605 and the TV says its 720P. Not a bad picture, actually.

Thanks again for your insight.
post #172 of 10257
Should i got with the 605 or stay safe with a Denon 2307?

I'm upgrading form an older Yamaha system. Just looking for something to give me uncompressed audio, to enjoy my blu ray movies to its max. Will the 605 be good enough? Its for a small room as well.
post #173 of 10257
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Originally Posted by dmbftp View Post

mr gribbles -

Are you going to play with the 605 for the rest of the weekend and see if you can have any more luck? Thanks for giving us all this information. I'm not liking what I'm hearing though and am tempted to "jump ship" from my 605 pre-order on Monday.

As much as I can. I have to make the same decision. I'm really on the fence. I think I can get all that I want audio format wise from my present Onk & analog but I really like the EQ setup with this one and some other AVR features. Can I live without the modest SD TV PQ enhancement. Yep.

I do have to take "she who must be obeyed" fishing tomorrow and I also have to put up with, "Mommy, Daddy's turning off the TV again. He said he wouldn't do it anymore." But in between all this, I'm pulling cables and watching TV with a lap full of remotes.
post #174 of 10257
mrgribbles,

wanted to ask this. I have a component hd cable box. I want to be able to input 1080i component into the 605 and then when i'm watching HD channels output to 1080i through component and when watching SD channels it'll go through hdmi outputing 1080i to 720p through the faroudja.

does that work?

thx
post #175 of 10257
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Originally Posted by milcrat View Post

mrgribbles,

wanted to ask this. I have a component hd cable box. I want to be able to input 1080i component into the 605 and then when i'm watching HD channels output to 1080i through component and when watching SD channels it'll go through hdmi outputing 1080i to 720p through the faroudja.

does that work?

thx

Keep on reading backwards through the thread. So far we haven't been able to do this. On component in, everything you put in will come out either 480p(480i in) or 720P(720 to 1080 in). I have not gone out via component only HDMi. Component out is on the todo list although I don't expect anything different.
post #176 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

40w2000,

Many thanks for your input but I think you're a bit off on some of the assessments, but right on on some.

I'm no tech writer but let me try to summarize the video thing.

If you go into the 605 with HDMI then you get pass through. No video processing. IN = OUT.

If you come in via analog (composite, component, s-video) then you can go out via HDMI and the video signal gets processed by Faroudja. For a 1080i signal, if in the resolution menu, I select AUTO or I select 720P, I get 720P out for my 1080i input. If I input a 480i signal then if in AUTO I would get 480P out. If I set the resolution to 720P, I would get 720P out for the same 480i input.

My problem is that I want to process 480i signals from my cable box but I don't want it to touch my 1080i feed for HD channels.

My joke about the 1/2 hour channel change is that I could connect a component and an HDMI cable. So when in HD I use HDMI, but for all others I would use component. I can program a remote to do this but, yowch!! What about the rest of the family. I'd have to attach an instruction sheet to the remote.

I believe but I haven't confirmed that it will save the inputs settings for analog video. I'll try to confirm this later today.

I personally think it would have been pretty easy for Onk to have let 1080 signals pass. Right now I have an HD movie on @ 1080i through component through the 605 and the TV says its 720P. Not a bad picture, actually.

Thanks again for your insight.


Mr Gribbles, is there really a need to program a remote to switch between HDMI and component for your cable box? I would think I would be as simple as just selecting different inputs? (Does the 605 memorize settings based on inputs?). I had a feeling here was going to be a need to run both HDMI and component to the 605, but now I am wondering if all of it is worth it... since I am on the fence about this receiver. The upscaling is a big selling point for me personally
post #177 of 10257
I just checked out the multiple analog inputs and so far, it will not save the settings per input like I had thought. So if you have multiple analog connections they will all share the same PQ settings.
post #178 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post

This is confirmed.

Has it been confirmed that the 674 doesn't pass through 1080p at 24 fps? So far i've only tried HDDVD to my Epson, but have heard a few people have had trouble with BR.

If it turns out the 674 isn't up to the job it'll have to be sold for a 605, which is a shame, otherwise it's been great.
post #179 of 10257
I've pre-ordered but this is sounding like I may want to consider other options before it ships. I was hoping this would be a simple solution for upgrading the quality of my cable box channels while still being able to use HDMI inputs and one HDMI output. I'm curious what AVR others are deciding to switch to instead of the 605, within the same price range (I have the J&R preorder price).
post #180 of 10257
I ordered this last night. After reading this thread i see there are no major issues with passing through a signal and outputing hdmi.

I will be passing Component HD 1080i from my cable box to the Onkyo
Additionally I will be passing via HDMI 1080i from my hd dvd player
Finally i will be passing composite from my WII (havent upgraded to component cable)

Will i encounter any problems? I only want to run the hdmi cable from the Onkyo to the projector can i use the OSD this way.

Thanks
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