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post #211 of 10257
I was ordered off the investigation for the evening by She who must be obeyed and the brood. I'll try some catch up.

1) There are no OSD functions such as the volume bar displayed when using HDMI @ 1080i/p. The full screen set up menu shows OSD fine.

2) My cable box outputs everything concurrently. So yes, you can run an HDMI feed and a component feed to the AVR and switch at will. Change a channel-switch input feed. Sure.

3) I'd strongly suggest that Onkyo document the un-documented because a lot of people are going to be surprised when their 1080i input gets down sampled to 720p when output over HDMI. Unless I'm missing something you can't change this.

4) I'm having trouble getting component in and component out to work. Maybe I have to many connections going. I'll have to start clean I guess. I'm getting the bright blue screen, could be a edid issue. More on this when I get it sorted out. My mits TV won't take a 1080p input over component so I can't check that out. I'll leave that to others.

5) Its good to hear that others are noticing PQ improvement. I think its there too, but only a modest increase on certain channels.

6) Still waiting on a Blu-ray player report. Bitstream or not?

7) On all night and no reocurring of the speaker pop.
post #212 of 10257
mrgribbles, so are you still on the fence? I ask, because my own and everyone else's 605s, are likely to ship this week and I'm a bit concerned. J&R is selling the Yamaha 661 for the same price and that receiver is very highly regarded and most would say of a higher quality than the Onkyo. Still though, I currently have an old Onkyo and have nothing but fond feelings towards it, so I'm definitely not against getting another one.

I'm so confused
post #213 of 10257
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Originally Posted by cowboysfan22 View Post

Just got my 605 today...quick question...should the receiver display "5.1 Uncompressed" when it's selected? Example...i have "direct" set for all the audio and i selected '5.1 Uncompressed" on my PS3 when watching Pirates OTC and my receiver says "DVD Direct". When i change it from Direct to 5.1 uncompressed in the menu it still says "DVD Direct" when watching the movie. I'm new to all of this...i hope i make a little sense.

What audio tracks are on POTC? If you are feeding the AVR PCM multi channel then I would suspect that DVD Direct would be a valid option. I can see DVD Direct when my XA2 is feeding the 605 5.1 PCM. Can you change format by using the surround key on the remote?

Will the PS3 output a raw or bitstream feed over HDMI 1.3?
post #214 of 10257
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Originally Posted by guste View Post

mrgribbles, so are you still on the fence? I ask, because my own and everyone else's 605s, are likely to ship this week and I'm a bit concerned. J&R is selling the Yamaha 661 for the same price and that receiver is very highly regarded and most would say of a higher quality than the Onkyo. Still though, I currently have an old Onkyo and have nothing but fond feelings towards it, so I'm definitely not against getting another one.

I'm so confused

Believe me, I share your pain.
I'm very firmly seated on the fence. I hope tomorrow to be able to quantify my evaluation, as I'm too tired right now to make any sense. I will say this however, all the video up & down scaling, etc. are really secondary to me. I view them as a bonus, not the reason to get this receiver or not.

My big disappointment has more to do with the XA2 HD DVD player and its inability to bitstream audio over HDMI.

More tomorrow.
post #215 of 10257
I picked up my 605 this morning at CC. On-line had none but the store had 1. Awsome.

I do have a question. I have a PS3 and a Philips DVD (non- region 2 DVD player) player hooked up via HDMI In1 and In2. The HDMI out goes to my 1080P Samsung LCD.

My problem is the sound coming out of my speakers. They are really low. I have to set the volume to about 60 to get any reasonable volume to come through. HAve I setup something incorrectly? And no, I am not deaf.

Thanks you for your hep.
post #216 of 10257
As you say, scaling is secondary. It's all about audio, although the scaling is a bonus. I was also looking at getting the XA2, so this is a shared concern with relation to the bitstream, although I can't blame the 605 for that.

At the end of the day, I want to know that this receiver is well-built and will do what I ask of it. I think everyone is just a bit on edge about quality, when you look at what's become of H/K.

Anyway, go to sleep before there's an insurrection in your household
post #217 of 10257
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Originally Posted by samper View Post

I .......And no, I am not deaf.

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post #218 of 10257
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Originally Posted by cowboysfan22
Just got my 605 today...quick question...should the receiver display "5.1 Uncompressed" when it's selected? Example...i have "direct" set for all the audio and i selected '5.1 Uncompressed" on my PS3 when watching Pirates OTC and my receiver says "DVD Direct". When i change it from Direct to 5.1 uncompressed in the menu it still says "DVD Direct" when watching the movie. I'm new to all of this...i hope i make a little sense.

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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

What audio tracks are on POTC? If you are feeding the AVR PCM multi channel then I would suspect that DVD Direct would be a valid option. I can see DVD Direct when my XA2 is feeding the 605 5.1 PCM. Can you change format by using the surround key on the remote?

Will the PS3 output a raw or bitstream feed over HDMI 1.3?

Yes cowboysfan22 you have two output options more in the PS3: PCM or BITSTREAM

Please feedback your experience

Best regards
post #219 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

6) Still waiting on a Blu-ray player report. Bitstream or not?

7) On all night and no reocurring of the speaker pop.

point 6= +1
point 7=good new

Please I am not sure: COMPONENT IN to COMPONENT OUT= ? Pass Through or 720p ?

In the default video mode i think="AUTO" what happen in case of COMPONENT IN to HDMI OUT ? we have the same limit :720p

Please can you valid :

CONFIG in mode "720p"
COMPONENT to HDMI= no more of 720p (and downscal if more of 720p)
HDMI to HDMI= Pass Through: Input = Output (480 720 1080 )
COMPONENT to COMPONENT= ?

CONFIG in mode "AUTO"
COMPONENT to HDMI= ?
HDMI to HDMI= ?
COMPONENT to COMPONENT= ?

What is the default MODE without the "secret"mode: AUTO?

CONFIG in default mode
COMPONENT to HDMI= ?
HDMI to HDMI= ?
COMPONENT to COMPONENT= ?




Best regards
post #220 of 10257
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Originally Posted by 40W2000 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysfan22
Just got my 605 today...quick question...should the receiver display "5.1 Uncompressed" when it's selected? Example...i have "direct" set for all the audio and i selected '5.1 Uncompressed" on my PS3 when watching Pirates OTC and my receiver says "DVD Direct". When i change it from Direct to 5.1 uncompressed in the menu it still says "DVD Direct" when watching the movie. I'm new to all of this...i hope i make a little sense.



Yes cowboysfan22 you have two output options more in the PS3: PCM or BITSTREAM

Please feedback your experience

Best regards


I'm confused... can the PS3 send audio via bitstream? If that's the case, that means that with the 605, I would be able to get all available formats (ie DTS-MA) formats, as the 605 is able to do the decoding... is that correct?

Reason being is I am looking at the various outputs for the PS3, and am not sure if I see anything along those lines. Here are the audio output selections for the PS3:

DD 5.1
DTS 5.1

AAC (What's this... is this bitstream?)

Linear PCM 2 ch 44.1 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 88.2 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 176.4 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 48 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 96 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 192 khz

Linear PCM 5.1 ch 44.1 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 88.2 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 176.4 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 48 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 96 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 192 khz

Linear PCM 7.1 ch 44.1 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 88.2 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 176.4 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 48 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 96 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 192 khz
post #221 of 10257
Unfortunately, this is not the answer you all wanted to hear:

When the PS3 hit the street it was recognized as one of the most full featured Blu-ray players to date, but it seem now that PS3 owners aren't getting everything they thought they were. It has recently been uncovered that although the PS3 does have an HDMI 1.3 port, the software does not support bit stream audio. What this means for Blu-ray fans is that when they finally pick up one of those new Onkyo receivers with HDMI 1.3, that they still can't enjoy Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD because there is no way to get the bits out of the PS3. Of course the DTS track can still be down mixed and PCM audio is supported, but so much for being the most capable Blu-ray player available.

** Dolby TrueHD can still be decoded inside the PS3 and sent as uncompressed audio to the AV receiver, but if the AV receiver has an integrated decoder it can't be used instead of the PS3's decoder. **

** This was confirmed by a Sony representative.**
post #222 of 10257
[quote=TomGivan]Dolby TrueHD can still be decoded inside the PS3 and sent as uncompressed audio to the AV receiver, but if the AV receiver has an integrated decoder it can't be used instead of the PS3's decoder.QUOTE]

What would be the advantage of decoding in the receiver instead of in the source (PS3 in this case)?
post #223 of 10257
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Originally Posted by TomGivan View Post

Unfortunately, this is not the answer you all wanted to hear:

When the PS3 hit the street it was recognized as one of the most full featured Blu-ray players to date, but it seem now that PS3 owners aren't getting everything they thought they were. It has recently been uncovered that although the PS3 does have an HDMI 1.3 port, the software does not support bit stream audio. What this means for Blu-ray fans is that when they finally pick up one of those new Onkyo receivers with HDMI 1.3, that they still can't enjoy Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD because there is no way to get the bits out of the PS3. Of course the DTS track can still be down mixed and PCM audio is supported, but so much for being the most capable Blu-ray player available.

** Dolby TrueHD can still be decoded inside the PS3 and sent as uncompressed audio to the AV receiver, but if the AV receiver has an integrated decoder it can't be used instead of the PS3's decoder. **

** This was confirmed by a Sony representative.**

I own a ps3 and peope have mentioned that dobly hd works just fine. Its the Dts MA one that it doesnt support.
post #224 of 10257
My major question now that people have this receiver (Onkyo 605).

Can you turn a PCM 5.1 signal into 7.1 via PLIIx
post #225 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Atticustrd View Post

I own a ps3 and peope have mentioned that dobly hd works just fine. Its the Dts MA one that it doesnt support.

Support meaning bitstream out of the PS3? Getting TrueHD untouched to the receiver for decoding?
post #226 of 10257
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Originally Posted by jshigashi View Post

I'm confused... can the PS3 send audio via bitstream? If that's the case, that means that with the 605, I would be able to get all available formats (ie DTS-MA) formats, as the 605 is able to do the decoding... is that correct?

Reason being is I am looking at the various outputs for the PS3, and am not sure if I see anything along those lines. Here are the audio output selections for the PS3:

DD 5.1
DTS 5.1

AAC (What's this... is this bitstream?)

Linear PCM 2 ch 44.1 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 88.2 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 176.4 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 48 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 96 khz
Linear PCM 2 ch 192 khz

Linear PCM 5.1 ch 44.1 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 88.2 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 176.4 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 48 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 96 khz
Linear PCM 5.1 ch 192 khz

Linear PCM 7.1 ch 44.1 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 88.2 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 176.4 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 48 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 96 khz
Linear PCM 7.1 ch 192 khz

Hi, what is the title of your BD?
What do you save in your PS3 : PCM or Bitstream setting. In the BD do you choose something special? Your cable connector is ver 1.3? Do you choose something more in the receiver?

Best Regards
post #227 of 10257
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Originally Posted by hwalker84 View Post

My major question now that people have this receiver (Onkyo 605).

Can you turn a PCM 5.1 signal into 7.1 via PLIIx



That exactly my question here, too !!!! I read the manual as no, so.... ?


Btw, AAC is an audio codec known as Advanced Audio Coding and has no real basis outide Asia, i.e. cannot be decoded by most EU an US AVRs. PS3 can decode and send as PCM.
post #228 of 10257
I have an 805 on order so I've been keeping up this thread very closely. I greatly appreciate the energy of the 605 owners/testers. Until I get a new 1080p display at Xmas, I'll be going component in - component out. For my Motorola HD set top box, that means 1080i out for my HD channels. Will the 1080i signal also be converted to 720p through component or is this only an issue with HDMI out?

Thanks
post #229 of 10257
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Originally Posted by hwalker84 View Post

My major question now that people have this receiver (Onkyo 605).

Can you turn a PCM 5.1 signal into 7.1 via PLIIx


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=854091&page=4
post #230 of 10257
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Originally Posted by grichht View Post

I have an 805 on order so I've been keeping up this thread very closely. I greatly appreciate the energy of the 605 owners/testers. Until I get a new 1080p display at Xmas, I'll be going component in - component out. For my Motorola HD set top box, that means 1080i out for my HD channels. Will the 1080i signal also be converted to 720p through component or is this only an issue with HDMI out?

Thanks

Component in = component out pass through. You are correct, the issue is only with component ----- HDMI (1080i --- 720P)
post #231 of 10257
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Originally Posted by hwalker84 View Post

My major question now that people have this receiver (Onkyo 605).

Can you turn a PCM 5.1 signal into 7.1 via PLIIx

I covered this earlier but, NO, a PCM multichannel 5.1 over HDMI will not allow DD AVR applied formats on the 605. I understand the 805 will, by the manual charts. My personal attitude on this is, lossless 5.1 is better than adulterated 7.1 YMMV.
post #232 of 10257
PS3 comments:
I dont think it will pass TRUEHD, DTS MA as raw or bitstream because HDMI 1.3 is mandatory for this. I was under the impression that PS3 is not HDMI 1.3???

I just read TomGivan aove and his comments are very clear on this. HDMI 1.3 is there but the ability to pass the raw stream isn't.
post #233 of 10257
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Originally Posted by samper View Post

I picked up my 605 this morning at CC. On-line had none but the store had 1. Awsome.

I do have a question. I have a PS3 and a Philips DVD (non- region 2 DVD player) player hooked up via HDMI In1 and In2. The HDMI out goes to my 1080P Samsung LCD.

My problem is the sound coming out of my speakers. They are really low. I have to set the volume to about 60 to get any reasonable volume to come through. HAve I setup something incorrectly? And no, I am not deaf.

Thanks you for your hep.

On of the nice things about the 605 is that they opened up the volume range to 100 to make minor adjustments more sensitive. I'm up in the 60's also. I adjusted the volume once and had the on screen volume bar showing, the AVR display showed 61 but the on screen display was less than half. On my old Onk, 45 was loud. I think this is a plus.
post #234 of 10257
I guess my question about uncompressed 5.1 was answered...so no go on the PS3 for lossless? I'm new to all this technology...will PS3 put a firmware update to allow this?
post #235 of 10257
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Originally Posted by samper View Post

My problem is the sound coming out of my speakers. They are really low. I have to set the volume to about 60 to get any reasonable volume to come through. HAve I setup something incorrectly? And no, I am not deaf.

Thanks you for your hep.

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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

On of the nice things about the 605 is that they opened up the volume range to 100 to make minor adjustments more sensitive. I'm up in the 60's also. I adjusted the volume once and had the on screen volume bar showing, the AVR display showed 61 but the on screen display was less than half. On my old Onk, 45 was loud. I think this is a plus.


Samper,

My 674 was the same way, and the 605 appears to be no different. In my small theater room, I had to have the volume set from between 60 and 65 for comfortable listening (especially movies). Don't forget that you can set the max volume to '99' so you will still have a lot of headroom to work with. I also completely agree with mrgribbles on his assesment of this feature. I hope this helps...Will
post #236 of 10257
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Originally Posted by cowboysfan22 View Post

I guess my question about uncompressed 5.1 was answered...so no go on the PS3 for lossless? I'm new to all this technology...will PS3 put a firmware update to allow this?

I'm no PS3 expert but I think you will get lossless sound to your AVR (it doesn't have to be the 605/805). If the PS3 decodes THD it will send it out over HDMI as multi-channel PCM and according to the chart above 2 to 7.1. I think you're good to go. However, this answer is best left to a PS3 Ace, I'm just reading the posts like you. Per the Posts above DTS MA is the problem in the PS3.
post #237 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

I'm no PS3 expert but I think you will get lossless sound to your AVR (it doesn't have to be the 605/805). If the PS3 decodes THD it will send it out over HDMI as multi-channel PCM and according to the chart above 2 to 7.1. I think you're good to go. However, this answer is best left to a PS3 Ace, I'm just reading the posts like you. Per the Posts above DTS MA is the problem in the PS3.

I'm confused.... if a player can decode THD and output it as multi-channel PCM via HDMI, the 605 can process it to 7.1??
post #238 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Some more on the Hidden Menu. Its not hidden anymore.

When I connected my STB to the 605 via component, set the STB to output 480i and then select it, the display jumps right to the menu so you can select Auto or 720p, contrast, etc.

Btw, the SD picture quality is very good in comparison to the STB direct to the TV. It isn't SD off of the Tosh XA2 but better with the 605 than without.

How is the upscaling an unsupported feature if from what mrgribbles says, the hidden menu is displayed automatically when connecting a 480i input via component? (see quote above)
post #239 of 10257
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

I'm confused.... if a player can decode THD and output it as multi-channel PCM via HDMI, the 605 can process it to 7.1??

NO. The 605 will not process anything on PCM multi-channel. If the source disk has it and the player can decode it, then you should get multi PCM at whatever the source has, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1. Provided the player can handle it and per the above chart, I read that the PS3 can handle up to 7.1.

IE: The XA2 only decodes up to 5.1 in THD so 7.1 source material will come across as 5.1, MCH PCM 5.1.
post #240 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Major problem!!

I don't detect much of a difference if any going from my Moto 3416 STB to the TV in HDMI or component. So in order to facilitate my connection scheme I decided to run component into the 605 and then go out on HDMI. Thats an easy can-do.

I feel there is a modest PQ improvement on many SD channels so I benefit by doing this BUT the 605 takes my HD 1080i absolutely fine signal and down coverts it to 720p automatically. Even when the resolution setting is set to AUTO. It probably interlaces, de-interlaces, reconverts upconverts and then downconverts. I don't want it to do anything to a 1080i signal.

Ok, if I go through HDMI it's pass through. Great for the HD channels but now I don't get what benefit the Faroudjamacallit brings on the SD channels. I would like to do this on everything but HD.

So do I need to run an HDMI cable and a component cable? I could probably engineer a program sequence on my remote to run a half hour to change a channel program???

Anyone know a way to set this puppy up to only do its Faroudjamacallit on 480i signals only?

This is a bigtime problem and sorry 805 folks, I suspect, you too.

I will probably get some negative feedback for this question, but....can you really tell a big difference in picture quality when viewing the 1080i source outputted as 720p (with all the signal processing going on)?? I am by no means a videophile (ie. I can't really notice the fine details most videophiles can pick out), thus I am wondering if this is really a major problem for me.

btw: mrgribbles, thanks for all the in depth coverage on this unit!
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