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post #331 of 10257
jshigashi, thats the reason you're around here. Thats a very good work around. Thanks.

Actually my set up is based on my wanting to connect other things into the 2 HDMI ports. My Mits will not accept 1080p over component. So, since the Moto 3416 STB is only 1080i, component is fine for the cable connection. One HDMI port MUST be used for the XA2.

Good advice, keep 'em coming.

I'd like a 1st hand report on the PS3 too. However, all i have read says no-go on the THD bitstream. Hope we're all wet on this??
post #332 of 10257
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Originally Posted by karwai7 View Post

I have the Motto DVR and it's passing the 1080i signal to the tv. I just did a double check and the Panny is saying 1080I

I can do that too. Can you outline what your connections are? Much appreciated.
post #333 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Balaraform View Post

I messed with mine this weekend...and so far it is excellent..the only thing is that it won't pass through the hd programing from my motorola DVR/CBL. I called Onkyo and they told me to call Comcast....Comcast came out and said they have copy right protection. So there goes the one cable to the tv idea.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Please describe your connections.

I hope the "he said - she said" nonsense isn't already starting between Onkyo - TV makers - Comcast, etc.
post #334 of 10257
Will the Onkyo work well for uncompressed PCM for the ps3?
post #335 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Mrgribbles,

I used the same workaround that you came up with. I just happened to set it up that way from the 'get go' for some reason. I did that with all of my components with component out. The goal was to have less wires but I ended up with more!

I then setup my Harmony 880 up with all of the new settings. I basically have an activity setup for each desired setup. For example, I have two activities setup for each source. It seems to work fantastic.

Regards...Will


Idea,

For the XBOX360 users to not loose 1080i/p signal output by hdmi (when Input is component 1080i/p)

Receiver Setting mode Hdmi to NO
=XBOX output by component to receiver 1080i/p ---->receiver passthrougt by component output to the display at 1080i/p.

When you want to use hdmi OUT, you come back and set Hdmi to YES.

Like this, you can have hdmi and component at 1080, but with 2 differents wires (out to the display) and you have to change every time your setting.

Question: can we record a macro to do that with a logitech Harmony 880?
post #336 of 10257
They just released the manual for the new, reduced price $499 Sony BDP-S300. Looking at pg. 48 it shows THD and DTS-HD being output as bitstream via HDMI. This is worth waiting for.... and it may be out in a few weeks.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/BDPS300.pdf
post #337 of 10257
I have the older Sony XBR 60" Rear Projection TV. I got it right before the HDMI inputs were added so mine only has a DVI input. Has anyone had any problems sending Video to their DVI connection on any type of TV through the 605. I am thinking of buying a 605 but want to make sure there is not any HDCP problems from a cable box or HD-DVD(TOSH XA2)/Blu-Ray player (PS3) through DVI.
post #338 of 10257
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Originally Posted by jshigashi View Post




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Anyone get a chance to try out to see if the PS3 can pass DTS-MA via bitstream yet? It seems like a lot of reports that say it can't lead back to this engadget report:

"When the PS3 hit the street it was recognized as one of the most full featured Blu-ray players to date, but it seem now that PS3 owners aren't getting everything they thought they were. It has recently been uncovered that although the PS3 does have an HDMI 1.3 port, the software does not support bit stream audio. What this means for Blu-ray fans is that when they finally pick up one of those new Onkyo receivers with HDMI 1.3, that they still can't enjoy Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD because there is no way to get the bits out of the PS3. Of course the DTS track can still be down mixed and PCM audio is supported, but so much for being the most capable Blu-ray player available."

http://chinese.engadgethd.com/2007/0...or-ps3-owners/


I can't locate any other reports regarding this matter anywhere other than speculation from online forums. And this report is either incorrect (as there is a bitstream option under the BD/DVD settings), or just vaguely written and was only pertaining to DTS-MA and True-HD bitstreams.

However this report is more about the PS3's decoding capabilities, and really doesn't address the the possibility of having the receiver doing the decoding. I am hoping that it can.


There definetly going to be firmware updates for the PS3 to unlock this feature...has to be. I have 2 more days to cancel...if not I'll just try my luck with the 605.
post #339 of 10257
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Originally Posted by delusive1 View Post

There definetly going to be firmware updates for the PS3 to unlock this feature...has to be. I have 2 more days to cancel...if not I'll just try my luck with the 605.


I don't want to get my hopes up, but I am hoping that the PS3 already can pass along the DTS-MA. For some reason, I get the feeling that it can. Most of the reports are about the PS3's inability to decode it... 605 owners would not need to worry about that as the receiver can decode it. Why else would there be an option for bitstream output under BD/DVD Audio Out connection via HDMI?

Here is something of interest... it's just a blog so it really isn't a good source, but it is promising nonetheless:

"DTS-HD Master Audio: This is the new DTS codec for the next gen formats. Every single Fox Blu-Ray release has a DTS-MA track...in fact, nearly all of them only have the DTS option. Now here's the interesting thing: there is not a single product on the market today that supports DTS-MA. Even the PS3 can't decode this codec at the moment, but the March firmware is confirmed to update the PS3 to DTS-MA specifications. Even with that in mind, you still need a reciever to decode DTS-MA, and there's not one available right now. Heck, there's no Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player on the market today that supports DTS-MA!"

http://blogs.ign.com/chubigans/2006/12/29/41597/
post #340 of 10257
Here's a new discovery...

Whilst attempting to re-create the success of upconverting the signals from my media server and HD satellite receiver on my HD A2, I had the resolution door effectively slammed in my face.

Allow me to elaborate. As those of you who have been reading my posts are aware, I have been giddy about the fact of upconverting the video from my satellite receiver and my media server. The media server, which is connected to a NAS, has about 300 of my DVDs stored on it. The PQ improvement is JAW DROPPING, I would even dare to say close to HD quality. You would have also noted that I am most impressed with the SD programming from my satellite receiver.

Well...I went on to the DVD player, selected the HDMI input on my display and tossed in SW III Revenge of the Sith. As soon as I hit play, I was greeted with a warning (that appeared and disappeared quickly) stating something to the effect about a resolution warning and that the resolution has been set to 480P!

I know this has something to do with HDCP, I just don't know if it was generated by my HD A2 or the 605. The dialog box looked very similar to the ones that my DVD player spits out periodically, so I am going to blame it.

The moral of the story is it seems I won't be able to upconvert DVDs directly, I will have to rip them to my NAS first. Oh well, you can't have it all...Where would you put it?

Regards...Will

P.S. I guess I really should not complain. The HD A2 does a fantastic job of upconverting SD DVDs on it's own. I just wanted to see if there may have been even a slight improvement in PQ.
post #341 of 10257
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Originally Posted by jshigashi View Post

I don't want to get my hopes up, but I am hoping that the PS3 already can pass along the DTS-MA. For some reason, I get the feeling that it can. Most of the reports are about the PS3's inability to decode it... 605 owners would not need to worry about that as the receiver can decode it. Why else would there be an option for bitstream output under BD/DVD Audio Out connection via HDMI?

Here is something of interest... it's just a blog so it really isn't a good source, but it is promising nonetheless:

"DTS-HD Master Audio: This is the new DTS codec for the next gen formats. Every single Fox Blu-Ray release has a DTS-MA track...in fact, nearly all of them only have the DTS option. Now here's the interesting thing: there is not a single product on the market today that supports DTS-MA. Even the PS3 can't decode this codec at the moment, but the March firmware is confirmed to update the PS3 to DTS-MA specifications. Even with that in mind, you still need a reciever to decode DTS-MA, and there's not one available right now. Heck, there's no Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player on the market today that supports DTS-MA!"

http://blogs.ign.com/chubigans/2006/12/29/41597/

Also remember that its up to the disk where the decoding is done. With Advance Authoring mode on the disk (I believe that's what it is called), the disk dictates where the advanced audio decoding is done. As of right now that is in the player.
post #342 of 10257
OSD volume control over HDMI components. it looks like the OSD of a lower end onkyo is cotrolled by the genises chip. To make volume control work over HDMI devices is to engage genesis by running additional analog video cable from an HDMI device to AVR. See if it works.
post #343 of 10257
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

They just released the manual for the new, reduced price $499 Sony BDP-S300. Looking at pg. 48 it shows THD and DTS-HD being output as bitstream via HDMI. This is worth waiting for.... and it may be out in a few weeks.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/BDPS300.pdf

I think the new soon to be released Panny BD10A has this one beat - audio wise. This is similar to the XA2 as 5.1 seems to be its max on everything but DD+ and on disk recorder PCM. I also don't see DTS MA on it. I was hoping for just a bit better on this one. Worthy of a hard look though.
post #344 of 10257
Will, its my understanding that it is the source that controls the HDCP thing. It initiates the query for protection and it also should initiate the EDID dialog.

Try turning the unit off and then re-starting. Its always best to let the component come on after the TV. I have had no problems with my XA2 and the 605 and my Mits TV except for some component inputs that were my problem. Of course with the Reon HQV chip in the XA2 i wouldn't let Mr. Faroudja anywhere near the signal
post #345 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

I think the new soon to be released Panny BD10A has this one beat - audio wise. This is similar to the XA2 as 5.1 seems to be its max on everything but DD+ and on disk recorder PCM. I also don't see DTS MA on it. I was hoping for just a bit better on this one. Worthy of a hard look though.

Hearing the new Panasonic will be out on 6/17 (unconfirmed at BB). I also like the Panny but it doesn't support 1080p/24 which I need for my Pio plasma.
post #346 of 10257
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Originally Posted by kulims View Post

OSD volume control over HDMI components. it looks like the OSD of a lower end onkyo is cotrolled by the genises chip. To make volume control work over HDMI devices is to engage genesis by running additional analog video cable from an HDMI device to AVR. See if it works.

The OSD mini overlay menus, volume, format, etc do not work over HDMI. They are fine over component, or composite as you note. The main set up screen works fine over HDMI.
post #347 of 10257
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

Hearing the new Panasonic will be out on 6/17 (unconfirmed at BB). I also like the Panny but it doesn't support 1080p/24 which I need for my Pio plasma.

That one's hard to believe isn't it. Every one of these jokers gets almost there and leaves one thing off. There is a conspiracy afoot. I wouldn't be surprised to find the man on the grassy knoll behind it all.
post #348 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

The OSD mini overlay menus, volume, format, etc do not work over HDMI. They are fine over component, or composite as you note. The main set up screen works fine over HDMI.

Did you already try connection addional cable to you HDMI component ...
post #349 of 10257
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

They just released the manual for the new, reduced price $499 Sony BDP-S300. Looking at pg. 48 it shows THD and DTS-HD being output as bitstream via HDMI. This is worth waiting for.... and it may be out in a few weeks.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/BDPS300.pdf

uhh, maybe I read this wrong but it shows DTS-HD as being outputted as DTS and THD as DD, which is what the ps3 and other existing BD players do already as I understand it. I think what people are looking for is DTS-HD-MA and THD as bitstreams, not the lower mixed versions of it.

-Splints
post #350 of 10257
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Originally Posted by kulims View Post

Did you already try connection addional cable to you HDMI component ...

No I haven't. I think it will work though. At this time its not that important to me. I've seen the overlays and they're OK, especially for someone who has the unit out of sight. I'll get to it in a day or so and let you know unless someone beats me to it.
post #351 of 10257
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Originally Posted by splinters View Post

uhh, maybe I read this wrong but it shows DTS-HD as being outputted as DTS and THD as DD, which is what the ps3 and other existing BD players do already as I understand it. I think what people are looking for is DTS-HD-MA and THD as bitstreams, not the lower mixed versions of it.

-Splints

Also, to your point, DTS HD is not necessarily DTS HD MA. And I don't see the "MA" on the list.
post #352 of 10257
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Originally Posted by splinters View Post

uhh, maybe I read this wrong but it shows DTS-HD as being outputted as DTS and THD as DD, which is what the ps3 and other existing BD players do already as I understand it. I think what people are looking for is DTS-HD-MA and THD as bitstreams, not the lower mixed versions of it.

-Splints

You have a point there. I'd love to see a matrix chart for the new Panny. Any bets it is the same?
post #353 of 10257
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

You have a point there. I'd love to see a matrix chart for the new Panny. Any bets it is the same?

It may be the same on digital output but the Panny is supposed to have 7.1 support both by decoded pcm and by 7.1 analog outs. Both of those options are AOK by me. (Actually if i can see DTS HD MA show up on my receiver display just once, I think I'd die a happy man)
post #354 of 10257
Look at this picture and notice the HK like cover for front inputs on the 605.

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

I called Onkyo and of course the person I spoke with didn't know anything about it. If it's available, I would like to get one for my pre-order.
post #355 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

It may be the same on digital output but the Panny is supposed to have 7.1 support both by decoded pcm and by 7.1 analog outs. Both of those options are AOK by me. (Actually if i can see DTS HD MA show up on my receiver display just once, I think I'd die a happy man)

I think we all would like to see an actual DTS-HD MA show on the Onkyo!!
post #356 of 10257
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

I think we all would like to see an actual DTS-HD MA show on the Onkyo!!

The (un)funny thing is, I have a disk authored in DTS HD MA 7.1 and I can't play it, so I'm dropping all this coin and aggravation to play one disk. OCD is a wonderful thing, it turns wants into needs!! I neeeeed it.
post #357 of 10257
The Panasonic will not be capable of DTS-HD MA in either bitstream or PCM form. The chip inside the Panasonic does not support it.
post #358 of 10257
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

The Panasonic will not be capable of DTS-HD MA in either bitstream or PCM form. The chip inside the Panasonic does not support it.

Yes, I see the DTS HD in the press release. Thank you. Back to the Xanax.
post #359 of 10257
Right now, I'm hoping that the Samsung BD-P1200 will send these formats via bitstream. I've been given conflicting information when speaking to level II techs at Samsung. Another hope is the new Sony BDPS300 which may be able to send these format bitstream.
post #360 of 10257
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Yes, I see the DTS HD in the press release. Thank you. Back to the Xanax.

Yeah, unfortunately it's only DTS-HD High Resolution. Not Master Audio.
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