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post #9811 of 10231
I've had a 605 and had my ps3 connected to it for about a year now, but i'm just now getting into noticing certain things, and i'm wondering how to best use this.

Here are my questions:
1 - If I go into my ps3 sound settings and set it up as 'auto', and then go back to the main menu it appears that it always defaults to PCM. Is this normal? If I want to switch to bitstream is there an easier way to do that than going into the sound settings and setting everything up manually and only selecting dolby digital and dts options?

2 - If I setup the audio options as 'auto' on the PS3 and I then go to the 605 options, if my ps3 is setup as the DVD input.........if I go to the source setup and set the DVD input option for when it receives a Dolby Digital signal to output PLIIx Game, will that be what the Onkyo outputs whenever I play something on the PS3 that outputs in DD?

3 - I have a 6.1 system, and the PS3 audio is setup as 'auto'. Why is it that my display on the 605 says DVD MultiCh, and when i hit the display button it says multich 7.1?
post #9812 of 10231
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Originally Posted by LansdaleHokie View Post

I've had a 605 and had my ps3 connected to it for about a year now, but i'm just now getting into noticing certain things, and i'm wondering how to best use this.

Here are my questions:
1 - If I go into my ps3 sound settings and set it up as 'auto', and then go back to the main menu it appears that it always defaults to PCM. Is this normal? If I want to switch to bitstream is there an easier way to do that than going into the sound settings and setting everything up manually and only selecting dolby digital and dts options?

2 - If I setup the audio options as 'auto' on the PS3 and I then go to the 605 options, if my ps3 is setup as the DVD input.........if I go to the source setup and set the DVD input option for when it receives a Dolby Digital signal to output PLIIx Game, will that be what the Onkyo outputs whenever I play something on the PS3 that outputs in DD?

3 - I have a 6.1 system, and the PS3 audio is setup as 'auto'. Why is it that my display on the 605 says DVD MultiCh, and when i hit the display button it says multich 7.1?

I would assume since you stated in 3. that it displays MultiCh 7.1 that you are connected using HDMI?

The PS3 does have a bug that if 7.1 audio is selected even if a 7.1 source isn't being played it sends the "signal" to the AVR that it is still sending 7.1 even though it may only be 5.1 or even just stereo. The only way to really know what your getting is you can hear which speakers are really outputting sound and which aren't. You can of course un-check the boxes for all the 7.1 and then it will not display the 7.1 anymore. If your connected via HDMI there is no reason to Bitstream just have it output PCM and your set. The PCM audio that the 605 displays that is is receiving is the decoded DD/DTS audio and is the same as it would be if the 605 decoded it itself there is no reason to have to toggle the audio formats using the PS3.
post #9813 of 10231
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Originally Posted by Carsfanatic View Post

I would assume since you stated in 3. that it displays MultiCh 7.1 that you are connected using HDMI?

The PS3 does have a bug that if 7.1 audio is selected even if a 7.1 source isn't being played it sends the "signal" to the AVR that it is still sending 7.1 even though it may only be 5.1 or even just stereo. The only way to really know what your getting is you can hear which speakers are really outputting sound and which aren't. You can of course un-check the boxes for all the 7.1 and then it will not display the 7.1 anymore. If your connected via HDMI there is no reason to Bitstream just have it output PCM and your set. The PCM audio that the 605 displays that is is receiving is the decoded DD/DTS audio and is the same as it would be if the 605 decoded it itself there is no reason to have to toggle the audio formats using the PS3.

yes, I am connected to my 605 via HDMI and out of my 605 via HDMI. So are you saying to just go to the audio options and keep the setup as auto? Seems like when I do that the PS3 "defaults" to PCM, but as previously noted it shows as 7.1 PCM. I guess it's just a minor inconvenience for another day or so until my 806 comes in and the 605 moves upstairs. Thanks for your help.
post #9814 of 10231
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Originally Posted by LansdaleHokie View Post

yes, I am connected to my 605 via HDMI and out of my 605 via HDMI. So are you saying to just go to the audio options and keep the setup as auto? Seems like when I do that the PS3 "defaults" to PCM, but as previously noted it shows as 7.1 PCM. I guess it's just a minor inconvenience for another day or so until my 806 comes in and the 605 moves upstairs. Thanks for your help.

Ya the only thing your really missing is that you really don't know if your PS3 is sending a 5.1 or a real 7.1. If I remember right try downloading the Uncharted: Drakes Fortune Demo if you don't have the game and in the settings you can change from stereo to 5.1 and 7.1 and actually hear the differences.
post #9815 of 10231
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Originally Posted by Nucleartiger View Post

From everything I could find online the Vandersteens are 8ohm speakers.

I have put my original speakers back in service and checked all my wiring. There is nothing touching. The first time it happened the banana plugs were firmly seated into the back of the Vandersteen's and had been in use for about 2 minutes or so.

I left it unplugged until right before I went to bed at which point I did the software reset from the owner's manual and it played just fine for about 5 minutes. I turned it off and went to bed and then tried to check it this morning. It played for about 10 minutes or so using the HDMI connection before it shut back down at around a constant 40-45 sound level.

I guess I am just going to have to pull my entertainment center apart and send it in to Onkyo for service. I have only had it for 6 months.

Hopefully I won't have to wait too long to get it serviced and returned.

Well I got an email from Onkyo telling me to try inputting a source with no speakers connected and turn it up to max. It should have shut down if the amp protection circuit was tripped but it didn't. I have gone through their entire procedure now with some old speakers and haven't had any shut downs or problems at all.

What can I do now? Should I go ahead and send it off to Onkyo or should I tear apart the Entertainment center and retest it with the original speakers?

The only reason that I can see that it would have shut down now is that it overheated but I have never had a problem with that before and I put my hand on the top of the receiver when it shut down and it wasn't hot.

Any suggestions would be greately appreciated.
post #9816 of 10231
For some reason my 605 shut down last night while running the audessey setup. I only have the front/center/left/sub hooked up and have the other speakers disabled. I did have cables hooked up to the rear terminals but no speakers on the other end, and I just thought that if the mic didn't hear a speaker it would leave that one disabled but I guess it measured some current going through the cable or something. Just thought I'd throw that out there as there could be something being overlooked as small as that that could cause the avr to shut down.
post #9817 of 10231
Okay, here's a test I'd like someone to take.

With each of your units/systems turned off and are plugged into your 605, which is on, start increasing the volume and see where you start getting a buzz/hum sound.

I have 4 units/systems connected into my 605. A RP-82 SD player, a HD-A1 player, a BD-30 player and a cable HD box.

With the 605 on and all the other units off, when I start increasing the volume on the 605 for each of the units there's a buzzing/humming that starts at about 75. The only unit that stays quiet while doing this is the cable HD box.

Update: I just unplugged all the cables and speaker wires going to the 605. When I select a specfic input, I'm getting that humming sound on these inputs, VCR/DVD/CD/AUX and GAME. CABLE/DVD MULTI CHANNEL are quiet.

Is this a flaw in the receiver???
post #9818 of 10231
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Originally Posted by LansdaleHokie View Post

yes, I am connected to my 605 via HDMI and out of my 605 via HDMI. So are you saying to just go to the audio options and keep the setup as auto? Seems like when I do that the PS3 "defaults" to PCM, but as previously noted it shows as 7.1 PCM. I guess it's just a minor inconvenience for another day or so until my 806 comes in and the 605 moves upstairs. Thanks for your help.

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Originally Posted by Carsfanatic View Post

I would assume since you stated in 3. that it displays MultiCh 7.1 that you are connected using HDMI?

The PS3 does have a bug that if 7.1 audio is selected even if a 7.1 source isn't being played it sends the "signal" to the AVR that it is still sending 7.1 even though it may only be 5.1 or even just stereo. The only way to really know what your getting is you can hear which speakers are really outputting sound and which aren't. You can of course un-check the boxes for all the 7.1 and then it will not display the 7.1 anymore. If your connected via HDMI there is no reason to Bitstream just have it output PCM and your set. The PCM audio that the 605 displays that is is receiving is the decoded DD/DTS audio and is the same as it would be if the 605 decoded it itself there is no reason to have to toggle the audio formats using the PS3.

You're right about the PS3 behaving like that, and it's misleading. But I really just wanted to chime in that there's a difference between letting the PS3 do the decoding for DD (haven't tried DTS) and letting your 605 do it. If the 605 does the decoding I subjectively find it to have a lot more "punch" to it. That goes for both movies and games (for blurays with both a DD track and a PCM track, the PCM track sounds just as good as the DD as decoded by the 605).

So I've been in the unconfortable position of having to switch back and forth between letting the PS3 output PCM or just allow it to output DD and DTS, since as you know the PS3 will default to PCM if you have both on, even for games that only produce DD. If all games were like Uncharted where they let you switch between DTS, DD and PCM I would have no issues, since the game can force the hardware to output in a specific sound format. I only have to turn on PCM for blurays and some games that do not support DD.

As I see it this is an issue of the PS3 and not the Onkyo.

Regards
post #9819 of 10231
Hi,

I've done about 12 different searches of the thread and come up with nothing, so forgive me if this has been addressed before, it's a a quickie:

does the 605 have the capability (as it's bigger brothers) of storing (or backing up) the calibration settings (mainly because the audyssey equalization is not viewable) for later recall?

In the firmware updates thread they talk about a "Hold SETUP and press ENTER and then ENTER AGAIN for storing settings" for doing this, but it does not work with the 605 so I guess it only applies to the 705 and up.

Anyone ever done this with their 605?

regards and thanks to anyone that can respond
post #9820 of 10231
I have a new set of speakers on the way to make the move from 5.1 to 7.1 I've been reading the owner's manual but I'm still not clear on how best to set up the receiver to emulate 7.1 for non 7.1 sources. Here are the sources I use, suggestions?

stereo from directv bitstream (music and SD tv)
5.1 from directv bitstream (HDTV in Dolby Digital)
5.1 from ps3 bitstream (DVDs in Dolby Digital)
5.1 from ps3 pcm (DVDs in Dolby Digital)
5.1 from ps3 pcm (BluRay in TruHD, DTSHD)
7.1 from ps3 pcm (BluRay in TruHD, DTSHD)

Thanks!
post #9821 of 10231
Hi Everyone,

I have a Q about the 605 and component in 1080p.
The xbox 360 can send 1080p over component, i'm wondering if the receiver can pass that through to hdmi or is the analog inputs limited some how?

thanks
post #9822 of 10231
I have used my 605 for over 2 years with my old projector. I have recently moved house, bought a new projector and can no longer pick up a signal through the 605. I can plug my hdmi cable directly into the HD dvd player(XA2) from the projector and get a picture. I can go analog and get sound via coaxial. However when I try and run the hdmi from the projector into the receiver and then run hdmi into the dvd player, I get 'searching for source" on my screen. I also get "no signal" on my receiver.I have not changed anything from before. I have set it to HDMI monitor OFF. I have assigned dvd to hdmi-1. Is there something I dont know about ? I am stumped. Please help.
Thanks.
post #9823 of 10231
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Originally Posted by mjoc13 View Post

Hi Everyone,

I have a Q about the 605 and component in 1080p.
The xbox 360 can send 1080p over component, i'm wondering if the receiver can pass that through to hdmi or is the analog inputs limited some how?

thanks

Analog in > 480/720P out over hdmi. I think the 606 does 1080P analog in digital out. Sorry but you're better off going analog in analog out as the signal goes untouched(afaik).
post #9824 of 10231
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Originally Posted by unclepauly View Post

Analog in > 480/720P out over hdmi. I think the 606 does 1080P analog in digital out. Sorry but you're better off going analog in analog out as the signal goes untouched(afaik).


Thanks for your reply!

so analog in is only 480/720? If thats the case analog or digital out could not handle 1080p analog...

Does anyone have a 360 and use component 1080p with their 605?
post #9825 of 10231
I do. Component 1080P in to 605 and then component 1080P out to TV. Works beautifully. HDMI 1080P in to 605 and then HDMI 1080P out to TV works fine also. You just can't interchange them or something gets screwed(to put it plainly).
post #9826 of 10231
Anyone ???
post #9827 of 10231
Could be a number of things. I recommend process of elimination to find exactly where the problem lies.
post #9828 of 10231
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Originally Posted by unclepauly View Post

I do. Component 1080P in to 605 and then component 1080P out to TV. Works beautifully. HDMI 1080P in to 605 and then HDMI 1080P out to TV works fine also. You just can't interchange them or something gets screwed(to put it plainly).

thanks again.

here is my setup
- 360 via 1080p
- ps3 via hdmi

i was hoping to have the 360 and ps3 ->605 -> tv all in 1080p done by hdmi
and also with no video processing by the 605 (up or down converting). But according to this thread, the 605 doesn't alter the source, but yet it has the fajorie (or whatever) processor....
post #9829 of 10231
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Originally Posted by mjoc13 View Post

thanks again.

here is my setup
- 360 via 1080p
- ps3 via hdmi

i was hoping to have the 360 and ps3 ->605 -> tv all in 1080p done by hdmi
and also with no video processing by the 605 (up or down converting). But according to this thread, the 605 doesn't alter the source, but yet it has the fajorie (or whatever) processor....

It has a Faroudja chip which will upscale other inputs other than HDMI if needed and wanted (you can turn it on/off). It will not touch HDMI input video regardless of what it is and how it comes in.
post #9830 of 10231
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Originally Posted by MrRoy View Post

I am having an issue too. When listening to certain movies, my FR speaker sounds a little distorted with the higher frequency sounds. I have swapped the speaker wire and the speaker but the distortion remains. This leads me to believe that there is an issue with the channel. Has anyone ever dealt with this?

Thanks!

I have the same exact issue. I switched the speakers and wire also and it makes no difference. Not sure how prevalent this issue is but I would guess a lot of people wouldn't even notice it.

I noticed it first while watching Transformers and can reproduce it every time on the scene in the beginning when the military guys just get off the chopper and it is the background music that produces the high frequency and distortion.
post #9831 of 10231
Has anyone ever backed up their receiver settings via pressing some buttons on the front panel of their 605? I'm trying to find out if it can be done so I can save my current settings (which are half-way decent) and try recalibrating audissey several times to see if I can get it to sound better.

Thanks to anyone that can respond
post #9832 of 10231
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Originally Posted by AngryBadger75 View Post

I have a new set of speakers on the way to make the move from 5.1 to 7.1 I've been reading the owner's manual but I'm still not clear on how best to set up the receiver to emulate 7.1 for non 7.1 sources. Here are the sources I use, suggestions?

stereo from directv bitstream (music and SD tv)
5.1 from directv bitstream (HDTV in Dolby Digital)
5.1 from ps3 bitstream (DVDs in Dolby Digital)
5.1 from ps3 pcm (DVDs in Dolby Digital)
5.1 from ps3 pcm (BluRay in TruHD, DTSHD)
7.1 from ps3 pcm (BluRay in TruHD, DTSHD)

Thanks!

1) Ok I think I've figured out that I can set everything bitstream/compressed to Dolby PLIIx and it will take anything between 2 channels and 5.1 and emulate 7.1 with it. That's my best option right?
2) It won't emulate 7.1 with 5.1 TruHD or DTSHD though will it, I think I have to trade in to a 606 to do that?
3) Of course I'm using my ps3 as a bluray player anyway and it sends it as multichannel-pcm/uncompressed so the onkyo isn't going to touch the processing, just amplify it right? And I don't see anything in the ps3 menu to turn 5.1 into 7.1 before sending it to the onkyo.
4) For my ps3 input when listening to truhd what is the difference between selecting "direct" or "multichannel" on the onkyo to handle the miltichannel-pcm/uncompressed stream from the ps3?
post #9833 of 10231
hey guys i was wondering if you could help me i have my ps3 hooked up to my sr605 via hdmi cables but when i have it set to play dts master and dolby trueHD it doesnt play sound from the rear speakers in my 5.1 setup. what am i doing wrong?
post #9834 of 10231
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Originally Posted by thug108 View Post

hey guys i was wondering if you could help me i have my ps3 hooked up to my sr605 via hdmi cables but when i have it set to play dts master and dolby trueHD it doesnt play sound from the rear speakers in my 5.1 setup. what am i doing wrong?

Make sure your surround speakers are connected to the surround L/R and not the surround back L/R terminals.
post #9835 of 10231
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Originally Posted by AngryBadger75 View Post

1) Ok I think I've figured out that I can set everything bitstream/compressed to Dolby PLIIx and it will take anything between 2 channels and 5.1 and emulate 7.1 with it. That's my best option right?
2) It won't emulate 7.1 with 5.1 TruHD or DTSHD though will it, I think I have to trade in to a 606 to do that?
3) Of course I'm using my ps3 as a bluray player anyway and it sends it as multichannel-pcm/uncompressed so the onkyo isn't going to touch the processing, just amplify it right? And I don't see anything in the ps3 menu to turn 5.1 into 7.1 before sending it to the onkyo.
4) For my ps3 input when listening to truhd what is the difference between selecting "direct" or "multichannel" on the onkyo to handle the miltichannel-pcm/uncompressed stream from the ps3?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Correct
4. The biggest difference is Direct turns off bass management
post #9836 of 10231
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Originally Posted by kplex View Post

4. The biggest difference is Direct turns off bass management

Thanks for the reply. Can you expand on that? What is bass management? I'm sending multichannel-pcm for TruHD and DTSHD from the ps3 to the 605 and I can choose to have the 605 either apply direct or multichannel to it. What exactly is the difference?
post #9837 of 10231
I just purchased a Definitive Technology SSA-42 in hopes of creating a simple (fake) surround setup in a small living room. I have it paired to to the Onkyo TX-SR605 and setup according to the SSA-42 instructions (No audyssey, speaker distances all the same, L/C/R set to 0dB, surround L/R to +5dB, etc.). My source input is a PS3 and Dish Network DVR 722, both via HDMI.

So when I listen to either the PS3 or Dish Network, there isn't much sound coming out of the SSA-42. I'll have to crank up the volume on the 605 to +75 just to get it at a comfortable listening volume. I used to have Onkyo speakers and only had to set the volume to +30 for comparable volume. Why is there such a difference?

Has anyone experienced a similar situation with changing speakers on this receiver?

Thanks!
post #9838 of 10231
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Originally Posted by AngryBadger75 View Post

Thanks for the reply. Can you expand on that? What is bass management? I'm sending multichannel-pcm for TruHD and DTSHD from the ps3 to the 605 and I can choose to have the 605 either apply direct or multichannel to it. What exactly is the difference?

Can anyone clarify the difference between direct and multichannel processing modes, specifically how they would affect something like truhd passed through multichannel from a ps3?
post #9839 of 10231
Direct doesn't mess with the bass ouput. Multi channel sends anything below the xo to the sub.
post #9840 of 10231
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Originally Posted by AngryBadger75 View Post

Can anyone clarify the difference between direct and multichannel processing modes, specifically how they would affect something like truhd passed through multichannel from a ps3?

Direct disables almost all sound processing including Audyssey equalization, tone controls and bass management. Speaker level settings are still applied and maybe the distance settings still apply, but other than that pretty much what comes in goes out.
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