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post #31 of 127
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Originally Posted by MattGuyOR View Post

What are the differences in the pic modes? I like Cinema 2, it looks most accurate to me but just not sure why. Why do you guys pick the settings you do? Thanks.

Color 1 is very accurate almost dead accurate with the color chat.

Cinema 1 is also very close, but has more saturation of the colors.

These are the 2 most accurate modes.
post #32 of 127
Cinema 1 closely matches the gamut for film, but since no consumer-oriented content is mastered to that standard, I'd be careful calling it "accurate". Grayscale using it is "not horrible" out of the box.

Bill
post #33 of 127
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Here is a cut and paste of an explanation I put on an English website about using the waveform monitor, I hope it helps. :

I used a test DVD 'Digital Video Essentials', but there are others available. Some say that there are certain THX Optimisers on (I believe) Star Wars episode 4 that is actually encoded at the correct black and white levels.

Each press of the WM button takes you through 6 different modes. I started on the 'Single Line Scan Y' mode:

Start with all the PJ controls at their default, including the 'advanced' menu ones and use your prefered 'Picture' mode (Cinema 1, etc). Then get your test picture on screen: one with a known 0% black section on it. Move the WM line up or down the screen until it bisects the 0% square (if using DVE). You will notice that on the WM in line with the 0% bar/square the WM shows a line which should be around the 0% marker. Adjust your 'Brightness' control to get the WM showing exactly on the 0% marker at the point where it lines up with the 0% square/bar.

Then get a picture up on screen with a known 100% white square/bar. Postion the WM line so it passed through the 100% white. Adjust your contrast control so the WM shows 100% (using the 'Solid' marker NOT the higher dotted marker on the WM ). DVE has a test picture with squares going from 0 to 100% complete with squares with black 0% with an inner square of 5% and an equvalent one for white 100% with an inner square of 95%. It saves jumping from chapter to chapter, plus you can just move the WM line up or down to the right bit you need to measure.

If you have DVE or a disc with 50% square on it you can use the mid gamma to trim the WM to show 50%. If you use the 5% and 95% squares on DVE you can see the use of the High and Low gamma respectively, but I just tweaked my low gamma to +1 to slightly improve shadow detail...but maybe that wouldn't be done by a professional calibrator.

You can then repeat the brightness and contrast settings using the WM in 'Single Line Scan R/G/B' modes and adjusting the 'advanced' RGB brightness and contrast controls to get 100 and 0% for each colour on the WM. I don't understand the use of the WM 'Full Scan' settings, so I haven't used them myself. Nor the 'Color Profile' menu for that matter...if anyone can explain I'd like to have a go at using them later?

If you have DVE you can use the coloured filter to adjust the 'colour' control as per DVE instructions, I believe only the blue one is very acurate...but I stand to be corrected.

You may need to go back over these checks after adjusting incase any interaction between the controls effects the WM readings, eg Contrast/Brightness may move the the mid gamma (50%) WM reading.

Once you are happy with the settings, save them using the 'Mem Load' button. Note that if you change the 'Picture' mode then the settings will be different, so you can 'calibrate' for, say Cinema 1 and Colour 1 (my favourites) and have two memory settings.

I hope this helps....maybe it is as clear as mud. I feel like I've just typed out the whole manual.

OK, I just tried this method and came close to what I had before:
Toshiba HD-A1/Da-Lite Model B High Power 106
Cinema 1
Contrast +12
Sharpness +1
Everything else at 0
In the Advanced Menu:
Gamma Mid -5
(Don't know how to check Gamma High or Low)
All the RGB Advanced settings were perfect at 0
I agree with one of the other posters that moving the color temp down gives 'pink grays' so I left it at 0.
Thanks Kelvin1965S for this method!
post #34 of 127
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Can we get some users to try calibrating to get maximum brightness, and most shadow detail.

I think we can get more!
post #35 of 127
I've been reading Bear5K's posts how the Color 1 setting is the more accurate setting to use instead of Cinema 1. Not quite sure I understand, but I decided to use the waveform calibration method I used a couple of posts above on the Color 1 setting. The results are:

Contrast +11
Color +1
Tint +3
Sharpness +1
Gamma Mid -4

Everything else at 0

It's a slightly brighter picture from what I can see with slightly brighter colors. Either setting looks pretty good to me.

Dave
post #36 of 127
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Dave I love your settings, but lets see what we can do about low level gray scale.

There has to be a way to pull out my shadow detail in my setting on dark scenes, and your amazing settings for bright scenes.
post #37 of 127
Can anyone suggest a good screen for a dimly let basement with a wall to wall length of 22ft
post #38 of 127
My projector is 19ft away from a 100" Stewart Studiotek 130. I have total light control and it looks awesome!
post #39 of 127
awesome! Good stuff guys! I just joined the Panasonic club today when it arrived in the mail. I couldn't pass up the $1000 rebait. My HT wont be finished until the end of summer so I have the thing in my bedroom pointed at the red paint

I admit that I'm stressed about that rebate, seems like someone could use it before me..

My set will eventually be like this:

Unit 18' back from fixed 10 foot (horizontal) screen
post #40 of 127
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HEY EVERYONE WITH A PANASONIC AE1000U!

Try the "updated" settings in post 1. I think the picture is amazing now. Very 3D, sharp, punchy image. Also very close to perfect for shadow detail.
post #41 of 127
at the risk of sounding stupid...are the settings you posted for viewing HD DVD and or Blu Ray?
post #42 of 127
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Both
post #43 of 127
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If it has to much color bring color control down to -2
post #44 of 127
SOWK,

I used your settings and I think it looks great! but I have a feeling it could be a little better but am not sure what to do....
I have a 106" screen with 1.5 gain and the panny is ceiling mounted 19' from it.
Any suggestions?
post #45 of 127
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Better in what regards? let me know and I'll work on it.
post #46 of 127
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Or you can try to change some settings too, and post them here.
post #47 of 127
Yeah I will do that, Im just one of those people who always think im doing something wrong but I actually have a pretty good eye for this stuff...I just dont have enough faith in myself i guess.
post #48 of 127
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What did you feel could have been better?
post #49 of 127
Thanks, SOWK, I like your settings! Seabiscuit looks unbelievable with those settings! I'm getting it ISF calibrated next month by Eliab Alvarez de la Campa, so i'm sure he'll make it shine even more!
post #50 of 127
We watched Ghost Rider on Blu Ray last night and everything you said about the settings is true...color, shadow, everything looked amazing except I was hoping for the picture to be sharper...fooling with the sharpness control just didn't cut it...I cant find that fine balance where everything looks good.
post #51 of 127
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Seabiscuit is the movie I used to set it up, lol.
post #52 of 127
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Originally Posted by MattGuyOR View Post

Thanks, SOWK, I like your settings! Seabiscuit looks unbelievable with those settings! I'm getting it ISF calibrated next month by Eliab Alvarez de la Campa, so i'm sure he'll make it shine even more!


Once you get it ISF'ed can you PM the changes that were made, and on what standard setting. Ex. Cinema 1 - Color 1.

I would love to try them out vs. my settings as well.
post #53 of 127
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Originally Posted by Ronan51 View Post

We watched Ghost Rider on Blu Ray last night and everything you said about the settings is true...color, shadow, everything looked amazing except I was hoping for the picture to be sharper...fooling with the sharpness control just didn't cut it...I cant find that fine balance where everything looks good.


Whats weird is that is the sharpest I have been able to get the picture, as least equal to any other settings I have tryied.

What modes on your Panny are sharper?
post #54 of 127
I noticed you guys don't put the sharpness setting to the max (I think its +11 or +12). I just got my projector and dont even have a screen yet. But I bought some white poster boards and attached them to the wall for a makeshift screen. Waiting on a da-lite 92" da-mat. Any way, wouldn't sharpness all the way give a sharper picture? I tested out the sharpness with Planet Earth a bit and pushing the sharpness setting to the max was the way to go. Plus, doesn't our ae1000u soften up the picture anyways compared to other 1080p projectors?
post #55 of 127
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The setting sharpness on the projector, and how sharp/detailed/non-digital something is are two separate things. If you bring sharpness up that high you get a very digital look to the image. aka almost a small blocky look around objects. You can really see it on text. So no unfortunately sharpness higher then 2 is not going to help.
post #56 of 127
Interesting. How about the difference between watching an SD-DVD vs a Bluray or HD-DVD? I am wondering if the calibration should be changed depending on whether you are watching high-def vs standard. I have the samsung p1200, and watching a standard DVD seems to have an unnecessary amount of posterization. I tried to set the output on the bluray player to 480 and 720, but it looks even worse than keeping it at 1080(i or p). Also keep in mind I havent messed with any of the advanced settings on the projector yet, as I am waiting for my screen to arrive. Once it comes I am going to try your suggested settings...
post #57 of 127
While I love movies, I tend to spend more time watching sports events in HD-TV on my PJ.

I am upgrading from an AE700 to an AE1000 and will be receiving it on Wed.

SOWK - Do your recommend the same Cinema 1 setting for watching football and baseball games in HD-TV?

Any other advice would be appreciated.
post #58 of 127
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Unfortunately I only use it as a dedicated Movie Projector. No TV is connected. Sorry.
post #59 of 127
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Unfortunately I only use it as a dedicated Movie Projector. No TV is connected. Sorry.

I do like SOWK's settings for movies, but I too wonder if there are better settings for HDTV viewing.

Anyone have any settings for HDTV viewing they would like to share? Thanks!
post #60 of 127
I have been using the Color 1 settings found earlier in this thread for watching Planet Earth when I am not watching movies. I am assuming that this would be a good choice for watching HDTV since Planet Earth is video, and it looks better than watching it with Cinema 1.
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