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post #31 of 99
Display-wise, they are the same. The biggest difference I've noticed is audio quality. HD-DVDs typically have MUCH better audio formats than BDs. IMO though, BD would be my preference if the audio support matched HD-DVD...
post #32 of 99
PS3 and 360 hd dvd. Luv em both. Great values.

I buy hd dvd when possible mainly because it's the only format with backwards software compatible to dvd.

This could be very important down the line when trying to get marketshare from sd dvd, after all the early adopters have bought in already. More hd content availability to use on our expensive equipment, that's what we need.

Still either format will get the job done nicely and they have minor differences, really.
post #33 of 99
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

PS3 and 360 hd dvd. Luv em both. Great values.

I buy hd dvd when possible mainly because it's the only format with backwards software compatible to dvd.

This could be very important down the line when trying to get marketshare from sd dvd, after all the early adopters have bought in already. More hd content availability to use on our expensive equipment, that's what we need.

Still either format will get the job done nicely and they have minor differences, really.

Yeah this is my combo also
Right now I like HD DVD better as I find less compression interferenece, BD seems to have some slight artifacing and pixelation. Though both are great, I mostly collect music DVDS. I just got Eagles Farewell Tour HD DVD, and Black Crowes Freak and Roll Show BD both great.
post #34 of 99
Is there a player that has both formats?

My wife wants me to make sure that whatever movie she buys or rents can be watched, and she has no patience for the format wars, and my preference is to buy a single player that can play both formats as it can be a while before either side folds....
post #35 of 99
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Originally Posted by FireCloud9 View Post

Is there a player that has both formats?

My wife wants me to make sure that whatever movie she buys or rents can be watched, and she has no patience for the format wars, and my preference is to buy a single player that can play both formats as it can be a while before either side folds....

Yes. The LG BH100. I have one, and I'm very happy with it. I believe Samsung has one that's about to come out as well.
post #36 of 99
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

And I haven't seen a player review yet that has stated that the PS-3 has equal or better PQ than ANY of the stand-alone BD players.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=133#SonyPlayStation%203%20(HDMI)

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The PS3 represents one of the best BD players I've used to date. It is fast, the image quality is excellent, and it supports more of the BD functions and features than just about any other player. The fact that it does this for nearly half the price of the other BD players out there is almost embarrassing, and rather disappointing when you think about it. As a standard DVD player, however, the PS3 may represent one of the worst progressive scan players I have ever tested. Surprising, considering its BD performance.

With the latest software upgrade, it is probably only a bit behind the Samsung in core performance areas, and ahead in a few others (audio) when using HDMI.

With a few notable exceptions for early BD titles, I would agree that the formats are close enough that how a movie is shot and intended to look will more than likely determine people's perceptions. Lots of long, deep focus material that really shows off an HD set will more often than not trump a movie that has lots of close-ups. More telling, though, is that my wife has formulated her opinion that Blu Rays are the ones without special features and HD-DVDs are the ones with. I'm not necessarily that much into most special features, but she is, and it's what she tells her/our friends, where I usually tell people to sit it out until Christmas when you can get a dual-format player that works for both standards.

Bill
post #37 of 99
HD DVD because it is a better value, has more features, and has better pricing on hardware.

The only advantage Blu-Ray has is more studio support but hopefully that will change.

Yes, I do own both.
post #38 of 99
I own the Pioneer HD1 and the Toshiba XA2, equally impressive in PQ and AQ. In SW, the nod goes to BD.
post #39 of 99
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Originally Posted by icefirei View Post

Display-wise, they are the same. The biggest difference I've noticed is audio quality. HD-DVDs typically have MUCH better audio formats than BDs. IMO though, BD would be my preference if the audio support matched HD-DVD...

Did you just come out from under a rock? Blu-ray discs in general use uncompressed LPCM 5.1 audio. Only Warner has really stiffed Blu-ray in the audio dept, and even then it's on a handful of titles. The titles containing DD+ are generally considered to sound exactly the same as the DD tracks on the BD side.

Also, Fox uses DTSHDMA on all their discs, something that hasn't even appeared on an HDDVD yet. If you are into lossless audio, Blu-ray has by far been the most consistant format in that regard, just not when WB is factored in, However even they have FINALLY found it in their hearts to start putting TrueHD on the discs, IE..300, Letters from IWO etc.
post #40 of 99
^Which players support DTS HD MA?
post #41 of 99
@TS (Topic Starter): maybe start a poll on this (I lost count)?

Thanks!
post #42 of 99
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Originally Posted by AV Doogie View Post

^Which players support DTS HD MA?

A bdps300 coupled with an Onkyo 605.
post #43 of 99
rutgar: You are right, this is the wrong forum and half of these threads of late are just to start bitching again between the two formats. I just want HD, period..... and wish the powers on both side of the table would agree on bringing this to the masses.. Problem is Toshiba and Microsoft won't cave nither will Sony.. And as far as the poster bringing up VC-1 codec, both formats are using it now.... and Microsoft owns it, ah go figure.
post #44 of 99
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Originally Posted by BTBuck1 View Post

The titles containing DD+ are generally considered to sound exactly the same as the DD tracks on the BD side.

Also, Fox uses DTSHDMA on all their discs, something that hasn't even appeared on an HDDVD yet..

1. BS. 1.5mps DD+ (HD DVD) is just plain better than 640kbps DD found in BD.

2. Problem is no player today decodes DTS HD MA. HD DVD uses TruHD, hence no need for DTS MA. How many BD movies with TruHD?

As for LPCM 5.1 - Unless you have an hdmi receiver with the PS3 you cannot listen to LPCP....so you're stuck with plain DD - which again is worse than the worst audio on any HD DVD movie! I am curious what % of PS3 owners are running their set up through an hdmi receiver. At least we know that over 80% of all BD players are PS3....

just to set the record straight
post #45 of 99
I honestly have no preference at all, whatever format either movie is on is fine with me.
post #46 of 99
My wife wanted to surprise me with a High Def DVD player for fathers day. She did not know anything about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. She has always heard me talk so highly about the knowledge at "AVS Forum", so she did a google search, found the forum, and thought you guys could help her make an informed choice.

Unfortunately, threads like THIS ONE is what she found, full of grown men acting like an ass. Typing things here they would NEVER have the guts to say to another persons face. Nobody saying, "Well, in my *OPINION*.....", but rather typing that everyone else is an idiot because they don't agree with THEM. All the posts about "Oh God, not another tread about THIS". Well, if you don't want to read another thread about comparing formats, then MAYBE you should not click on the thread titled "For those who own both formats, which do you prefer?"!!! AVS Forum is a resource for the casual AV buyer also, not just those of us who come here every single day and read EVERY THREAD.

The original posters question is a valid one. If you own both, which do you prefer? The guys who answered saying that when both formats are available, they choose HD-DVD because that format offers more "extras" were a big help. Those who pointed out that Blu-Ray does offer more storage space are sharing good info to those who don't know that yet. Thanks to you guys. The "did you just climb out from under a rock" comments are just unbelievable from adults.

Oh, and no, I still don't have a freaking player. She gave up trying to find reliable info here.
post #47 of 99
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Originally Posted by JeffInDFW View Post

All the posts about "Oh God, not another tread about THIS". Well, if you don't want to read another thread about comparing formats, then MAYBE you should not click on the thread titled "For those who own both formats, which do you prefer?"!!! AVS Forum is a resource for the casual AV buyer also, not just those of us who come here every single day and read EVERY THREAD.

Oh, and no, I still don't have a freaking player. She gave up trying to find reliable info here.

I now what you mean. Anywho, I've owned both and would choose Bluray if I had a choice of equally priced players. I prefer Bluray because of the additional bitrate & storage. I was biased to HD-DVD prior to seeing a BD player "in my home." The displays at the stores are not ideal setups. Too many lights, and the display setting are always cranked to the max. Not good for the PQ in a HT. I know I have said anti-bd statements as far as their pricing. But the more BD movies I watch, I see how far ahead of it's time Blu-ray is. It's like I just got finish watching POTC: Dead Man's Chest. The best PQ and AQ of any disc on any format that I've seen!(Before it was King Kong) You can check out my DVDspot profile in my signature to see my latest movie viewings. Well I own both formats at the moment, but my favor is swaying further into the blue everyday. Oh and the PCM tracks sound wonderful, no matter how much disc space they take up. Should sound even better once I take shipment of my Yamaha V661.

PS- I say "I've owned" both, because I recently sold off my XA1 to buy a BD player.
post #48 of 99
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Originally Posted by JeffInDFW View Post

Oh, and no, I still don't have a freaking player. She gave up trying to find reliable info here.

Tell her to read this:

Get him a HD DVD player!

The reasons are easy:

- you get a better and bigger selection of movies (you can check this by yourself)

- you get a more advanced, fully operational format (not a work in progress with a lot of question marks about the future)

- you get the highest video and audio quality

- you get mostly cheaper media (unfortunately the combos are expensive)

- you support the underdog and not the cartell that thinks viral marketing is a good way to treat customers

- you get a "no bullsh*t" format

So in my eyes the choice is easy: go HD DVD. There is only one choice that would be better: get both! But even having both formats in my home theater I stick 90% to HD DVDs. The Bluray exclusive movies just aren't that good, there are only very few worth buying and the region code of Bluray is a PITA.
post #49 of 99
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Yes. The LG BH100. I have one, and I'm very happy with it. I believe Samsung has one that's about to come out as well.

How much did you drop for that?
post #50 of 99
Blu-Ray!!!!!
post #51 of 99
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Originally Posted by Caurus View Post

Tell her to read this:

Get him a HD DVD player!

The reasons are easy:

- you get a better and bigger selection of movies (you can check this by yourself)

- you get a more advanced, fully operational format (not a work in progress with a lot of question marks about the future)

- you get the highest video and audio quality

- you get mostly cheaper media (unfortunately the combos are expensive)

- you support the underdog and not the cartell that thinks viral marketing is a good way to treat customers

- you get a "no bullsh*t" format

So in my eyes the choice is easy: go HD DVD. There is only one choice that would be better: get both! But even having both formats in my home theater I stick 90% to HD DVDs. The Bluray exclusive movies just aren't that good, there are only very few worth buying and the region code of Bluray is a PITA.

lol... Are you serious?

Blu-Ray has already won the battle. Game Over
post #52 of 99
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Originally Posted by nimiq1 View Post

How much did you drop for that?

I paid a dollar per line of resolution.



$1080.00

And with the convenience and peace of mind I now have... it was worth every penny. Besides, I paid close to that much for my standard DVD player just a couple of years ago (Pioneer Elite DV-47A).
post #53 of 99
i think hd-dvd is definitely the more complete format right now. if you count just the raw properties of the format (specs, studio support, hardware capabilities, etc), blu-ray is without a doubt the superior format. but if you count the implementation in the consideration (quality of available movies, whether discs use features availabile, level of functionality in the player, performance of players, cost), i think hd-dvd takes the ticket for now.

while it is indeed technically inferior to blu-ray, hd-dvd has been much, much, much more consistent. when you buy an hd-dvd, you know you're getting vc-1 video and dd+ audio. right off the bat, you're guaranteed next-gen codecs. that establishes a baseline minimum of quality right there. do some hd-dvds suck? yes. full metal jacket looks like ass. but that's a rarity. now, you might get a 30 gb disc or you might get a 15 gb disc. it might be encoded at 24 mbps or 16 mbps average. you might get the option of dolby true hd or you might not. but you always know, at the very least, you get vc-1 and dd+ at 1.5 mbps filling 15 gb.

now, let it be said that blu-ray using vc-1 or avc looks phenomenal, and that when you get your blu-ray, you'll probably have uncompressed 5.1 pcm or better, often dolby digital plus, true hd or dts hd/hd-master is included. that's true. but you also might be getting mpeg 2 and standard dolby digital. you might get that crammed onto a 25 gb disc and it'll look similar to broadcast hd. you might get it on a 50gb disc and it'll look virtually uncompressed. you never know. you might get java or you might not. your player might be able to make heads or tails of java, or it might not.

we've typically seen that where something is made available both on hd-dvd and blu-ray, they are either bit-for-bit identical (same size, codecs), or the hd-dvd is superior either because of better codecs (m:i III) or the presence of java-based special features not available on blu ray.

now, let me say that i fully expect hd-dvd to tank ultimately, probably in the next 18 months. but for now, blu-ray as a format has not been as comprehensively successfully implemented as hd-dvd. there's a world of potential for quality sound and audio -- and more often than not, it's realized, by some standard or another -- but right now, there's a very wide variation in quality. is it 25 or 50 gb? is it vc-1, avc or mpeg2? is it dts-hd? dts-hd master? dolby digital +? dolby true hd? 24/96 lpcm? 16/48 lpcm? straight-up dolby digital? there's a really high ceiling and a really low bottom, and the releases available run the gamut. in two years, when all this is sorted out and everybody is using either avc or vc-1 and either dts-master or dd true hd on each release, that won't be the case.

on the other hand, you do have the inherent limitations to the hd-dvd spec. in the event that a transfer uses the same codecs and is available on each format, and takes advantage of all the space available on each format, it should be better on blu-ray every time. add to that the fact that it seems that blu-ray players are in general of higher quality than toshiba's offerings (this includes the ps3), at least in terms of feature set and responsiveness, then yeah, it should be better to buy the blu-ray in that situation, especially since it seems that blu-ray is becoming more widely avaiable and less expensive. but that hasn't been the trend. so far, when titles have been made available on both formats, it has tended to be the case that either the hd-dvd is of superior quality due to better audio/video codecs (be it vc-1 versus mpeg 2 or dolby digital versus dolby true hd) or the hd-dvd has some special features (usually in-movie experience or something along those lines) not available on the blu-ray version. otherwise, they're typically bit-for-bit identical.
post #54 of 99
I prefer whatever movie I'm in the mood for...
post #55 of 99
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I prefer whatever movie I'm in the mood for...

Agreed. But my movie selection will be partially based on the audio and video quality of the disc currently prejudiced by the available audio formats supported by the player. At the moment, everything else being equal, I'd pick a disc with uncompressed PCM, followed by DTS HD MA or HR soundtrack (I can only take advantage of the core DTS for now), then TrueHD (though I can't currently use the 5.1 TrueHD for now), then 1.5M DTS, then lowly DD+/DD. And everything else being equal, I'll pick the Blu-Ray disc over the "equivalent" HD-DVD disc simply because I believe Blu-ray is in a much better position to survive long term than HD-DVD because of the superior specs.
post #56 of 99
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Originally Posted by Blitz68 View Post

lol... Are you serious?

Blu-Ray has already won the battle. Game Over

He, he, you are a funny guy. Making jokes...

You are making fun, aren't you? Because otherwise I would have to question if you are still in your mind. You are, are you?

And you are format neutral, are you? Because this is the format neutral thread and I cannot imagine anyone being format neutral to vote for bluray. HD DVD is just so much better when it comes to movies.

BTW: I am format neutral (are you, too?), so just for the record:



Certainly, I usually hide the PS3 behind a couch - it is just too ugly. Too much of a primitive wannabe chique it tries to have.

But I did enjoy Casino Royale; I just watched it for the second time.
post #57 of 99
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Originally Posted by venk View Post

They are the same. Pop in a neutral movie, Put a blanket over the players, and hide the case and I would have no idea which player was being used.

Sums it up for me. I have and thoroughly enjoy BOTH.
I wouldn't put a few franklins in my way that's for sure.
post #58 of 99
Then I would jut flip a coin...
post #59 of 99
So to conclude.

HD-DVD it is.
post #60 of 99
Ditto, Hd-dvd.

I liked your post, Gonk.
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