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post #61 of 99
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Originally Posted by plazman View Post

1. BS. 1.5mps DD+ (HD DVD) is just plain better than 640kbps DD found in BD.

On paper it atleast sounds better.

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2. Problem is no player today decodes DTS HD MA. HD DVD uses TruHD, hence no need for DTS MA. How many BD movies with TruHD?

Well, this will not always be so. Receivers are showing up with HDMI 1.3 & Decoding capabilities, next will be the players with streaming ability, in due time my fren. HDDVD uses TrueHD in such scarcity it is as rare as the pink stone in blood diamond. Much to do is made when a title has TrueHD on HDDVD yet MOST titles on BD (excluding HDDVD catered BD's I.E, WB titles) Have Uncompressed audio. I'm all for TrueHD or whatever lossless codec gets used, just use it already and make it the rule rather than the exception.

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As for LPCM 5.1 - Unless you have an hdmi receiver with the PS3 you cannot listen to LPCP....so you're stuck with plain DD - which again is worse than the worst audio on any HD DVD movie!

Many titles on HDDVD have 640kbps DD+, which is identical to 640kbps DD. Mainly Universal uses the 1.5mbps DD+ so whats your point? In contrast Exclusive BD studios (exluding Lionsgate) ALL USE LOSSLESS AUDIO on every title.

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I am curious what % of PS3 owners are running their set up through an hdmi receiver. At least we know that over 80% of all BD players are PS3....

The only percentage of people using HDMI on a ps3, or analog outs on a standalone player I give a crap about is myself. Who cares what everyone else is doing? How many a2/a20 owners have HDMI receivers
who cares, as long as you do...right?
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just to set the record straight

You've done nothing but prove your ability to spin things
post #62 of 99
started of firmly with HD-DVD, but as time has gone on the more i choose blu ray as my format of choice.
I have 2 HD-DVD players and 2 BD players. the BD players are much better machines as far as freezing/glitches go. Im on my second XE1, as the first one had to be replaced. My A1 is a fussy little git and im just about done with it.

PS3 is my player of choice due to how quick it is, My panasonic does deliver a fine picture though (as does my replaced XE1).

each to there own but slowly im buying less and less HD-DVD. the Matrix was my last buy. I also think the latest AVC encodes are a tad better than the best VC-1 but that is strictly my opinion.

Display is a JVC HD1@110ins. full HD

I suppose im just losing confidence in HD-DVD.
post #63 of 99
I have owned both formats since they each were first released. I have had the HD-A1, HD-XA2 and most recently I have the HD-A2. I own a Ps3 for Blu-Ray. Out of all these machines the Ps3 has been 100% reliable and is the fastest to load and skip chapters in comparison..However the player is not the main reason for my choice since they will get better as time goes on for both sides and they have..

However I wholeheartedly prefer Blu-Ray simply because of Buena Vista's (Disney's) encoding team and their abilities to make movie's above and beyond HD-DVD's picture and sound quality.. Pretty much HD-DVD gives a good HD quality image and in some cases like in King Kong, at the expense of lower quality audio due to space and bandwidth constraints. It is clear the future of optical media is Blu-Ray and not HD-DVD... If you want to do a comparison between the best of both formats. Buy King Kong or The Matrix Revolutions and compare it to POTC: DMC, Apocalypto, or Bridge to Terabithia..All three of those Buena Vista pictures I mention were done by the same encoding team at Disney and are marvelous. There is a very noticeable difference in quality on 50 inch HDTV's and above...
post #64 of 99
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Originally Posted by Supermans View Post

Pretty much HD-DVD gives a good HD quality image and in some cases like in King Kong, at the expense of lower quality audio due to space and bandwidth constraints.

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Originally Posted by Iggster View Post


by the way what kind of setup are you running on the audio side? and vide? any pictures of your setup? even old ones I just want to see what your working with.

In order to say something is better then something else well you obviously need something good to bring out the best out of each category.

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If you want to do a comparison between the best of both formats. Buy King Kong or The Matrix Revolutions and compare it to POTC: DMC, Apocalypto, or Bridge to Terabithia..All three of those Buena Vista pictures I mention were done by the same encoding team at Disney and are marvelous. There is a very noticeable difference in quality on 50 inch HDTV's and above...


Oh I have.... and IMO matrix looks better then DMC so does KING KONG. Bridge to terabithia isnt even in any of their leagues..

BTW since I am the one asking for pix heres pix of my setup and a list

sony xbr1 60"
denon 2807
krell 3250 (sold it recently but I havent watched any movies since)
definitive technology 7001 towers
definitive technolog clr 3000
HD A2 HD DVD player
ps3

room treatment in the first reflection points and it has been rta to as close as flat as possible. (this graph is the only one I could find before room treatment and more tweaking)





post #65 of 99
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Originally Posted by Iggster View Post





Oh I have.... and IMO matrix looks better then DMC so does KING KONG. Bridge to terabithia isnt even in any of their leagues..

The matrix films look great, so does King kong, but there isnt anyway I could say with a straight face they look better than POTC 1 or 2, or Bridge to Terabithia. Bridge blew me out of the water, it is one of the best HD presentations I have seen to date, up there with all the rest of the greats that mostly happen to be AVC, & Or Disney.
post #66 of 99
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Originally Posted by BTBuck1 View Post

The matrix films look great, so does King kong, but there isnt anyway I could say with a straight face they look better than POTC 1 or 2, or Bridge to Terabithia. Bridge blew me out of the water, it is one of the best HD presentations I have seen to date, up there with all the rest of the greats that mostly happen to be AVC, & Or Disney.

what kind of display are you using? isf calibrated?

I actually watched both pirates dead man chest and hustle and flow and all the matrix recently on both my 60" display and on a 100 or so inch steward screen with a sony pearl projector isf calibrated. IMO their is a tad difference but NOTHING blows matrix,pirates out of the water.. thats a bold statement man and saying that kind of like saying theirs a night and day difference...
post #67 of 99
No preference. I love them both ; )
post #68 of 99
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Originally Posted by plazman View Post

As for LPCM 5.1 - Unless you have an hdmi receiver with the PS3 you cannot listen to LPCP....so you're stuck with plain DD - which again is worse than the worst audio on any HD DVD movie! I am curious what % of PS3 owners are running their set up through an hdmi receiver. At least we know that over 80% of all BD players are PS3....

It is even worse. Sometimes there comes no DD with the PCM track. Like the original languange track of the Kung Fu Hustle bluray. And then we PS3 users without a HDMI receiver (and my guesstimate would be that 90% of the PS3 user do not have a HDMI receiver) get only 2.0 sound. 2.0! Stereo! Crap. Thats a HUGE flaw of the PS3.

HD DVD players are leagues better, they can convert the lossless tracks to DTS or DD and you get at least 5.1 multi-channel.

Bluray is just a lot of talk, on paper advantages, smoke and mirrors. In reality HD DVD is the better format.
post #69 of 99
I prefer BD over HD DVD.
1 BD is way more durable that HD DVD I rent from netflixs and about 1 out of 4 or so HD DVD's don't play to the end they get stuck and I end up watching the rest of the movie on the stadard def side if that is an option. I have not yet to get a BD that was not in perfect working order and rarely do they scratch.
2. I can get lossless sound from my PS3.
post #70 of 99
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Originally Posted by Caurus View Post

It is even worse. Sometimes there comes no DD with the PCM track. Like the original languange track of the Kung Fu Hustle bluray. And then we PS3 users without a HDMI receiver (and my guesstimate would be that 90% of the PS3 user do not have a HDMI receiver) get only 2.0 sound. 2.0! Stereo! Crap. Thats a HUGE flaw of the PS3.

HD DVD players are leagues better, they can convert the lossless tracks to DTS or DD and you get at least 5.1 multi-channel.

Bluray is just a lot of talk, on paper advantages, smoke and mirrors. In reality HD DVD is the better format.

Change your audio to bitstream optical or get a HDMI reciever either way you will get 5.1 sound on a PS3.
post #71 of 99
Either but however, they have movies I like more in Blu-Ray than HD though!
post #72 of 99
To me it´s probably HD-DVD so far. I love those catalog titles from universal. Plus the True HD soundtracks on some of the warner titles is nice too
And since I got my XE1 player I havn´t got ANY problems with lock-ups etc.

The thing I´m looking forward to most on BD though is the horror classics from Anchor Bay coming in october.

I´m really glad I own both formats
post #73 of 99
I've always thought that the PQ of HD-DVD outshines BluRay. Reading reviews of most titles, I'm not alone either...most profeesional reviews seem to indicate the same (some titles are equal). Anyone here can correct me if I am wrong but I've never seen a BluRay movie rated higher than the same title on HD-DVD; some are the same but the rest (as far as I have seen) are lower rated for PQ.

I'm neutral because I want all titles but - if all titles were on both formats, I'd choose HD-DVD due to the consistently better PQ - that's primarily what we're after, right?

As far as audio goes - I'm no audiophile. The title I've personally been most impressed with was 'The Guardian' on BR.
post #74 of 99
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Originally Posted by ckelly33 View Post

I've always thought that the PQ of HD-DVD outshines BluRay. Reading reviews of most titles, I'm not alone either...most profeesional reviews seem to indicate the same (some titles are equal). Anyone here can correct me if I am wrong but I've never seen a BluRay movie rated higher than the same title on HD-DVD; some are the same but the rest (as far as I have seen) are lower rated for PQ.

I'm neutral because I want all titles but - if all titles were on both formats, I'd choose HD-DVD due to the consistently better PQ - that's primarily what we're after, right?

As far as audio goes - I'm no audiophile. The title I've personally been most impressed with was 'The Guardian' on BR.

You should watch Pirates of the Caribean part 2, they have the best picture quality on either format
post #75 of 99
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Originally Posted by DVDFreaker View Post

You should watch Pirates of the Caribean part 2, they have the best picture quality on either format

I've seen POTC2 on Blu-ray. I still think King Kong is slightly better. The detail on KK is outstanding.
post #76 of 99
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Originally Posted by DVDFreaker View Post

You should watch Pirates of the Caribean part 2, they have the best picture quality on either format

I own it. It was better than most. It's been several weeks since I watched it but I don't recall thinking it was the best PQ of either format. I don't think it was superior to the Matrix or The Flags or Our Fathers....or The Hulk (horrible movie though) on HD-DVD or Flyboys on BR. Those are some of the best movies I've seen (PQ wise) on either format. There might be better ones but that is what comes immediately to mind.

These are only my opinions, and maybe different setups have diiferent results but here's mine:
I have an XA2 (latest firmware) and a PS3 (latest firmware) playing via a Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 (ISF calibrated). On my setup, BR's don't look quite up to par with HD-DVD. With BR, there's typically alot of artifacting and graininess that I don't enjoy seeing after spending $500+ on a player. If I wanted grain, I'd watch the DVD version and be $1k richer. Some HD-DVD's have grain but not near as many titles are quite as affected as it's BR counterpart.

Again, just my opinion on my setup.
post #77 of 99
I have the A1 and a PS3. I prefer the HD DVD. My A1 through the Analog Audio 6Ch sounds much more superior than my PS3.
I still think the HD DVD discs released are more consistent in terms of PQ. They both, however, are very similar in PQ overall.
post #78 of 99
I have an A1 and a Samsung 1200. They both have their good points, and both can look very good. Overall, I prefer HD DVD, it seems to me to be a more finished and polished product. I also prefer the movie selection on HD DVD. I will say, that I think the Sammy is a little better at upscaling DVDs-slightly more detailed, and the A1 has better sound-warmer, fuller and richer.
J
Edit: I'm finding my A1 to be the more reliable of the two players.
post #79 of 99
I have both, but prefer HD DVD.
post #80 of 99
HD DVD.

They typically offer the best value. If BD would, I'd have no problems supporting them totally.
post #81 of 99
I own both formats.

I support HDDVD if I'm watching a HDDVD movie at the time. I support Bluray if I'm watching a Bluray movie at the time.
post #82 of 99
I have the Toshiba HD-A1 and the Samsung BD-P1200.

I like the Samsung because it loads faster than the A1.

I prefer the A1 because:
1. All features are supported. I knew that the interactive features like on all other blu-ray players weren't going to work, but I'm wondering if their going to get TrueHD working either.
2. Menus are faster.
3. I think the upconversion is more detailed on the A1. The BD-P1200 looks softer to me.
4. Purchased this for $499 in April '06. I purchased the P1200 for $540 3 weeks ago. I feel like I'm getting my money's worth with the A1.
5. I have less lockups, no sound dropout and no unrecognized discs on the A1.
post #83 of 99
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Originally Posted by BTBuck1 View Post

The matrix films look great, so does King kong, but there isnt anyway I could say with a straight face they look better than POTC 1 or 2, or Bridge to Terabithia. Bridge blew me out of the water, it is one of the best HD presentations I have seen to date, up there with all the rest of the greats that mostly happen to be AVC, & Or Disney.




You may need to calibrate your TV if thats what you see.
post #84 of 99
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Originally Posted by TurboShane View Post

Change your audio to bitstream optical or get a HDMI reciever either way you will get 5.1 sound on a PS3.

Changing to bitstream would not help. Actually I think that is the setting I already have.

But the PS3 can only output PCM as 2.0 over optical! There is no way around it. Exept using the HDMI output which is only possible if one has a HDMI receiver.

So I would have to compensate the flawed design of the bluray player by buying a new AV amp? Another $2k-$3k down the drain for pretty much nothing? No thanks!

But then its no big deal - most of the bluray movies come with an extra DD track when there is a PCM track. And most of the good movies are on HD DVD, so I don't bother too much.
post #85 of 99
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

My system is calibrated just fine. And I haven't seen a player review yet that has stated that the PS-3 has equal or better PQ than ANY of the stand-alone BD players. As far as PQ between HD and BD goes, I've found that it's far more title dependent, than it is format dependent. Furthermore, since you obviously can't read, I didn't say anything about the OP saying anything about a single unit. I did bring up the fact that this is the "Dual Format Player" forum, and not the "People who have two players so they can play both formats" forum.

I have. S&V compared the Samsung/Panasonic/Sony (PS3) BR players.. The reviewer said the PS3 had the fastest load times & the PQ was on par with the stand alone models..& the PS3 supports HDMI 1.3..& has onboard decoders. The others don't..
post #86 of 99
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post




You may need to calibrate your TV if thats what you see.

My TV is Calibrated, I am not saying Matrix doesn't look great. Kong looks awesome too. I am just saying POTC 1 & 2 and Bride to Teribithia look better (to me). Sharper, artifact free. Matrix flicks has the jellyfish like squares in several scenes. Kong looks pretty much perfect to me, I haven't seen any issues like the Matrix films had, it's just a smidge too "soft" in some spots, but it's probably just the way it is.
post #87 of 99
To the OP- I can see no consistent PQ advantage of either format over the other. Having said that, for HD I find myself gravitating towards Blu-ray, primarily because my PS3 is about ten times faster than my HD-XA1. I am also watching more SD dvds lately, due to the (mostly) sucky content available on both HD DVD and Blu-ray.
post #88 of 99
I own two players of both formats (BD-P1000 and DMP-BD10a) and so far I like HD DVD much more (XA2 and A2)
post #89 of 99
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Originally Posted by charles0424 View Post

I own two players of both formats (BD-P1000 and DMP-BD10a) and so far I like HD DVD much more (XA2 and A2)

But don't you think that has more to do with the difference in the quality of the players, as opposed to the formats?

I have the LG. So by using only one player for both formats, I really don't see any difference. Both look and sound great.
post #90 of 99
I like the fact that my BD-P1000 boots up faster and seems to have less frequent playback issues, however I think the best quality transfers on HD-DVD have better PQ than blu-ray. Example Matrix trilogy vs. POTC 1 or 2.
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