Originally Posted by Robert George
Who is "you guys"? I didn't start the thread. As best I can tell, the OP is a Blu-ray supporter. The point of his first post was to try to discredit attach rates by proposing that the PS3 not be counted as a Blu-ray player.
Blu-ray supporter yes, but my point was that counting the PS3 as a normal Blu-ray player is stupid, just as stupid as not counting it at all. It leads to an inaccurate picture of total active players and thus attach rate. I'd say the same thing if the Xbox played HD DVDs by default. This has nothing to do with "discrediting" attach rate and everything to do with not being dumb. And if you think I was proposing that the PS3 not be counted as a Blu-ray player you should have your eyes checked: I put in big bold letters that it should be counted as 20% of a standalone Blu-ray player for statistical purposes (i.e. sales projections, attach rates, etc.).
Are Blu-ray player sales slaughtering HD DVD player sales? No, not really. Why? PS3 can't be treated like a standalone.
IS HD DVDs attach rate slaughtering Blu-ray's attach rate? No, not really. Why? PS3 can't be treated like a standalone.
(Although not the point of this, IMHO attach rate is pointless. The example you give does not apply because, again, the PS3 messes up those studio estimations. The first question (how many players are out there?) only applies to players that are in use. All PS3s are not in use as Blu-ray players. That's the whole point of this thread: the PS3 can't be treated as a simple all-or-none proposition. It would be like assuming that everybody with a 2-car garage owns exactly 2 cars: a gross and incorrect simplification. If studio analysts are behaving as you say give me their names so I can send some statisticians to laugh at them. At best, knowing total player sales gives a theoretical limit on total disc sales, but if you don't have an accurate estimate of total player sales, as I'm arguing is the case, everything else falls apart.)
And Robert, your opinion is as valid as any. This isn't a format-fanboy thing: this isn't pro or anti-Bluray. It's just logic.