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post #211 of 3538
Images get darker when you tune down is correct. For TV viewing you could look at the higher mode (gamma) choices, like video, TV, sRGB, theres a bright choice that is really bright also. For film when the theaters dark try the cinema choice.

I can understand the factory way the RGB is separated with blue being about 20% higher than red and green. The brilliant color tends to push red harder so to compensate they stretch blue up. The factory RGB when you look over graysteps patterns shows neutral grays with no red bias in the highs. As I mentioned earlier the OTB setup is very good and things / flesh tones look very natural.
Probably why Rich says it doesn't take much and tuning is easy.

My numbers might not work for each machine, just threw them out there to mess around with.

Wing told me in a hidden menu it will have ISF day /ISF night choices. If you do have an ISF over to tune he can use these for the customer. He would call Optoma for the code. The HD81 has a similar ISF save setup. I don't think many will spring for ISF's on this pj because it does look fine OTB.
post #212 of 3538
Rich4av,

You said "Also missing from the HD80 menu are anamorphic lens settings that are in the manual",

Does that mean that the projector is unable to vertically stretch 1080p60 input coming from Casino Royale (I guess this movie is 2.35) ?
post #213 of 3538
Letterbox is on for all signals so yes it will stretch up images so you can use a 2.35 setup.
post #214 of 3538
"I hope that the same think will not happen to longer HDMI cables"

I use a 25' HDMI I got from Monoprice, it's a large diameter cable I assume that's a good thing, it's never given me any trouble.
post #215 of 3538
Thanks Tom, but I want to make sure that it actually stretches 1080P input. Rich has the answer!!
post #216 of 3538
Kinda suprrised to see it at $2,699 at Projector People (with a free mount) and Visual Apex. The price war is really on now. I guess it won't be too long before some 1080p units hit $1999. Though I still think 720p represents a much better value. I just saw a Z12000 go for about $1,200 (I've seen a 9 hour unit go as low as about $900) and I got a Sharp DT-500 for a bit over $700 and an IN76 for $400 (needs a little fixing though; looks like dustblobs). I still remember when the Optoma HT1100 cost over, $3,500 and when the Optoma H79 cost about $4,500. The deals nowadays are getting more and more impressive.
post #217 of 3538
I might be missing something, but if both your source and display can handle 1080p60Hz, why would you want to use 1080p24Hz?

Ok, I think I understand...you would only want 1080p24Hz for watching movies on the PS3...for games you would use 1080p60Hz...is that correct?
post #218 of 3538
Prabhat, check out the posted manual and you will see Anamorphic Lens settings on one of the menus. They are not there for me. I do not know how to answer the 2.35 anamorphic stretch question - there is a letter box button on the remote and it does something. Can you tell me how I can test this - what movie and what I should see if done correcty?

Innova - I use the PS3 to watch movies.

By the way, I do not see many rainbows but I did see a few in the black-and-white beginning scenes of Casino Royale.

As Tom says, I do not even feel the need to calibrate as the picture is so good in several modes, especially sRGB mode. Skin tones are very natural. I just reduced color saturation to ~42, sharpness to 0 (not sure why you'd need this?), contrast a few points. I closed the iris to 13. I left gamma at -2. I wish I could put on a filter on the lens to make dust easier to clean but it does not appear threaded. The lens is huge.

I tried to see what Image AI does but all I could hear is the fan kicking up to high speed and noise. I turned it off.

After a few hours, the left side of the case was cool and the right side (where the exhaust is) was just a bit hot. The exhaust is hot.
post #219 of 3538
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I just saw a Z12000 go for about $1,200

I got outbid on one last night for around that amount. In a way I was kinda glad I did get outbid but in a way I wasn't. The HD80 is high on my list but I want to hear from several owners on the positives and negatives of it. Also, I bet by x-mas or a few months after there is a rebate on it.

Mike
post #220 of 3538
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I tried to see what Image AI does but all I could hear is the fan kicking up to high speed and noise. I turned it off.


In this mode is the HD80 so loud that it is bothersome? How close do you sit from projector?

Mike
post #221 of 3538
Thanks, Tom, for the cable recommendation. I am getting one now - great price.
post #222 of 3538
Another stupid question. I have a PS3 also and if I want to watch movies and the res is set to 1080p, does the PS3 play the movie at 1080p24? Thanks.
post #223 of 3538
Signia, that is the crux of the problem. The PS3 only plays at 1080p60. I have found no way to force the 24/48Hz playback using HDMI-HDMI or HDMI->DVI.
post #224 of 3538
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Originally Posted by Rich4av View Post

Prabhat, check out the posted manual and you will see Anamorphic Lens settings on one of the menus. They are not there for me. I do not know how to answer the 2.35 anamorphic stretch question - there is a letter box button on the remote and it does something. Can you tell me how I can test this - what movie and what I should see if done correcty?

As per the user manual in pdf format, you set LBX format ( See page 27, LBX point #2). With this setup the black bars will dissapper and image will fit into full frame and image should look vertically stretched.

What I expect to see is when you play Casino Royale in 1080p/60 mode, it does not fit the whole frame, i.e. there should be black bars at top and bottom. With LBX setup, you should be able to stretch the picture to fit into whole frame of 16/9 so that picture would appear vertically stretched (the people would look thin and taller). And when you use an external anamorphic lens to stretch it wide so that the picture would appear normal, but using full resolution of the projector. There would be no black bars in the final picture.

Let me know if you get this, if you do, it is a great news.
post #225 of 3538
Rich4av and Signia,

Have you upgraded PS3 firmware? The latest firmware activates 1080p/24 output. If you have done this and still not getting 1080p/24, it is not a good news.
post #226 of 3538
I have the latest 1.82 firmware but I do not have this projector yet. I just want to make sure that if I do get it I can watch movies on it at 1080p.
post #227 of 3538
Well Rich is able to play 1080p/60 from PS3 on his HD80. So, yes, sure you can watch movies in 1080p.
post #228 of 3538
I am sorry, but I am confused as to why 1080p24 is an issue.
post #229 of 3538
Well, the blue-rays or HD-DVDs originally record movies in 1080p/24 format. The player usually extracts then in 1080i format and upscales into 1080p/60 or 1080p/72 etc. format. It is a roundabout way of doing things, but that's how it is designed. When a player like PS3 outputs in 1080p/24, there is no processing occurs in converting or upscaling, no deinterlacing stuff. So it is expected you would get pristine picture from the original source.

Why 24frames? The movie studios record it in 24frames a second.

I may be wrong explaining this thing - but that's the central idea.
post #230 of 3538
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

In this mode is the HD80 so loud that it is bothersome? How close do you sit from projector?

Mike

The projector is about 4 feet behind and below my right ear. High altitude mode fan speed is definitely very audible to me.
post #231 of 3538
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Originally Posted by prabhatb View Post

Rich4av and Signia,

Have you upgraded PS3 firmware? The latest firmware activates 1080p/24 output. If you have done this and still not getting 1080p/24, it is not a good news.

I started with firmware 1.80 and upgraded to 1.82. No difference.
post #232 of 3538
So Rich are you saying you cannot watch movies on the PS3 or that you have to set the PS3 to automatically detect in order to watch movies?
post #233 of 3538
Signia, I can set the PS3 to output 1080p manually, or let it test the display. In both cases, I only get 1080p60 out. I can use 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p resolutions. The holy grail is 1080p24
post #234 of 3538
Just ordered one to pick up from CC for $2430 + tax after 10% off coupon, can't wait to try out tonight on my Xbox 360 HDDVD drive.
post #235 of 3538
Just trying to clarify, if it is set to 1080p60 can you still watch a BD movie or DVD?

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Signia, I can set the PS3 to output 1080p manually, or let it test the display. In both cases, I only get 1080p60 out. I can use 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p resolutions. The holy grail is 1080p24
post #236 of 3538
^^ Signia - Yes, you can watch BD movies. I did not test DVDs but can't see why - that would depend on the PS3's scaling to 1080p60.
post #237 of 3538
Tom, is it better to choose RGB or YPrPb for the HDMI connection? I figure if anyone knows, you would
post #238 of 3538
So you want the 1080p24 for movies because that is the true native of the movie right?

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^^ Signia - Yes, you can watch BD movies. I did not test DVDs but can't see why - that would depend on the PS3's scaling to 1080p60.
post #239 of 3538
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Originally Posted by Rich4av View Post

Tom, is it better to choose RGB or YPrPb for the HDMI connection? I figure if anyone knows, you would

I think I tried YPrPb and got a green screen with HDMI, RGB showed the colors right. I'll check it again next time it's on.
post #240 of 3538
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Just ordered one to pick up from CC for $2430 + tax after 10% off coupon, can't wait to try out tonight on my Xbox 360 HDDVD drive.

Good score, CC is hooked up with Optoma specially after they sold 1,000s of HD70s. That's a good price coupon came in handy. You're going to notice a great black level, appears to me it's got alot better blacks than other Optoma's I've had here. Plus I'm watching it on a HP screen.
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