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post #211 of 634
Jeff & Randy - Thanks for the support. You guys seem to really know this stuff and the time you take to help us out is truly appreciated. Both of you were spot on. I haven't solved the problem yet but I did experiment some this morning.

I took the S-video cable feeding the DVD recorder from the STB and ran it directly to the TV. As you suspected, the black bars were present. In this case I was able to ZOOM the TV to fill the screen and have the correct aspect ratio.

I tried all options in the STB setup regarding picture size/format with no success.

In any case, I'm now certain that the issue is the signal from the Motorola HD-STB, not the 475V.

Happy New Year!
post #212 of 634
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Originally Posted by JOMO-1080 View Post

Jeff & Randy - Thanks for the support. You guys seem to really know this stuff and the time you take to help us out is truly appreciated. Both of you were spot on. I haven't solved the problem yet but I did experiment some this morning.

I took the S-video cable feeding the DVD recorder from the STB and ran it directly to the TV. As you suspected, the black bars were present. In this case I was able to ZOOM the TV to fill the screen and have the correct aspect ratio.

I tried all options in the STB setup regarding picture size/format with no success.

In any case, I'm now certain that the issue is the signal from the Motorola HD-STB, not the 475V.

Happy New Year!

UPDATE: I continued experimenting with your suggestions and resolved it. I changed the EZ475 HDMI resolution from AUTO to 480p and changed the HDMI Output Display Aspect from NORMAL to FULL. This now gives me a full screen view of HD TV programs when played through the EZ475. The down side is that all other non-HD programs and even the menu screens are stretched beyond the top & bottom of the screen. I'm not sure what DVDs would look like. Not an ideal solution but it can be done if required.

Thanks - Joe
post #213 of 634
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I'm going off my es-30 DVDR w/VHS but I believe your's should be the same. There should be a button the remote called REC MODE. When in DVD mode push that button to cycle through all the speeds. Once you get to the speed you want to use, use your dubbing button, to copy from VHS to DVDR.

Thanks Jeff! That worked. I guess I was expecting an on-screen menu function to provide for the speed change and did not pay much attention to that button on the remote. I went back to the manual again to see if I had missed something but other than identifying the name of the button on a picture of the remote, I have yet to find any real description of it. At this point it doesn't matter and thanks again for your asistance!

Happy New Year!
post #214 of 634
So far as I can tell, a link has not been posted to this very useful review, which includes a photo of the unit's input/output connectors:

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-player...tag=prod.txt.1

All of the current crop of DVD recorders with ATSC tuners downconvert the OTA signal before output, making them undesirable for use as OTA DTV tuners (for those not on digital cable whose older HDTVs do not include the ATSC tuner). This has been a total deal-breaker for me so far with these devices. Has anyone heard yet if new 2008 models are being announced for CES which FINALLY get off the dime and function like they should have to begin with??
post #215 of 634
No word of that yet.
post #216 of 634
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Originally Posted by rettenhu View Post

Thanks Jeff! That worked. I guess I was expecting an on-screen menu function to provide for the speed change and did not pay much attention to that button on the remote. I went back to the manual again to see if I had missed something but other than identifying the name of the button on a picture of the remote, I have yet to find any real description of it. At this point it doesn't matter and thanks again for your asistance!

Happy New Year!

When you refer to the "dubbing button" is this another name for the record button.
I have looked at every button on the remote and behind the pull down pannel but failed to find the it.
This machine is NOT user friendly to say the least.
Thanks
post #217 of 634
We have been working with this machine for some two months but it's not responding consistantly to set timers.
We can have say 5 timers to record at various times during the day from differant chnl's, we power it down, and then it will say record the first two and stop, leaving three not recorded - to VHS tape with plenty of room left.
The other issue is that we have failed to record a full four hours from a VHS tape to a DVD the SP/EP modes don't appear to funtion.
Not a simple machine.
Thanks
Ken p.
post #218 of 634
Ken the button I was referring to was the REC MODE button. It is the button I use to change the recording speed on my es-30 w/VHS and EZ-17 w/o VHS.
Note since I don't actually have a EZ-47, I apologize if this is wrong, but usually Panasonic has been good on not changing features to much, between models and model years. If the EZ-47 does not have a REC MODE button, I would be completely stumpped. Again both my es-30 and ez-17 has this button, I can't imagine they would have reworded it on just the ez-47. Also the es-30 has 2 dubbing buttons on both the remote and main unit. One that sends DVD to VHS, and one that sends VHS to DVD. Again I cant believe they would have removed such buttons on the ez-47.....
As far as the timer bug, don't get me started here.....please read all my posts on the EZ-17 thread. I believe it's well documented there. To say the least, these EZ's are quirky.....
P.S. I went to Panasonic's website to try and find a photo of the EZ-47's remote, but had no luck on a picture large enough to see the buttons. Again on my EZ-17, the REC MODE button is on the bottom row of buttons, second from the left. Right next to the red REC button. In fact on my es-25 it's in the same place. Did they change it?
post #219 of 634
Jeff, many thanks for this feedback - and will go look at the links to the EZ17 machine which you have indicated had / has similar issues with times, did you ever solve the problem or is it something one has to live with?
On the remote for the EZ47 the lower row starting at the left is REC with a red dot, second in it the REC MOD, then the next is marked F Rec, and final button is the Status.
Will do some trials and advise success - one hopes.
Again thanks
Ken p.
post #220 of 634
On the timer issue, myself and now hpwong, are trying to narrow down the timer problem, and possible workarounds. I'm currently testing different combinations each day.
You found the buttons. The red dot REC button will start recording.
The REC MODE button will toggle the various speeds 1hr-8hr.
The F REC button is for flexible record mode. It will allow you any time between 1 hr and 8hrs. This will be a nice feature for you, since if you are transferring say a 2 hr 3 min SP tape. All tapes were at least 2-3 min longer than the stated 120 min in SP. You could use a FR mode of say 2 hrs 5 min. That way you'll be sure to get your full VHS tape, if indeed it goes longer than 2 hrs.
Note on the Panny's on a standard DVD you will get only 1,2,4,6 or 8 hrs. Not a minute more than said time if you use the preselected speeds.
A side note I just found out today, if you use a new RAM disc, you will have ~2:07 min SP, at least on a virgin disc. I posted the full info on my thread about gaining time back on -R DVD's if you're interested.
post #221 of 634
I'm using a Panny 475V and am having trouble recording DVD to DVD from an external device. I have no trouble recording the DVD to VHS, but when the DVD mode is specified for recording, it won't.
What am I overlooking?
Thanks for your help!
post #222 of 634
First you want to be in the DVD mode. Then you want to push the INPUT SELECT button to select the input that you are hooking up your external DVD player to. Use S-in for best PQ.
I have to ask, but it it's a commercial DVD w/CP, it will not copy. Unless you use some type of CP remover.
post #223 of 634
Yes, Jeff, it is a commercial DVD. I was trying to make a back-up copy.
Thanks.
post #224 of 634
http://www.world-import.com/dp-5000_...stabilizer.htm

Oooh, I getting dangerous now. My first link!
I hope it works for you. I stoled it from Rammi
post #225 of 634
Thanks, but the 'page cannot be found'. Darn!
post #226 of 634
Sorry, I was trying to be helpful. Guess I'll leave the links to the pro's. I tried several things to get it to work all to no avail.
If you look under the first sticky in this forum, about the Philips 3575, post dated this morning at about 12:15am, by Rammi, he has a link that works
I don't know what he did different, I tried cutting and pasting his link, but I guess thats not how to do it.
post #227 of 634
Found it, thanks!
Now that I've read all the great reviews for the Phillips 3574, I wish we would've bought one of those instead!
post #228 of 634
Can anyone tell me if the built-in ATSC tuner in the Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK is also QAM compliant? In other words, will it tune in digital cable channels (that are transmitted in the clear), as well as the digital OTA signals?
post #229 of 634
Yes, QAM complaint for digital, in the clear channels.

Hence the title of this thread...." Panasonic DMR-EZ47V: DVD/VCR recorder with ATSC (digitl), QAM(digitl) & Analog Tuners"
post #230 of 634
Thanks, jjeff. I saw the title of this thread, but I want to make sure that it is QAM. I've read dozens of reviews and product descriptions of the EZ47VK, and I have yet to find one that even talks about receiving digital cable channels. They all talk about the performance in receiving OTA digital channels, but not even a mention anywhere of in-the-clear cable. I know that most ATSC tuners they put in TVs these days are QAM. But just a few months ago that wasn't the case. Now that they've finally gotten around to putting digital tuners in DVD recorders, I don't know if they skimp and just put in the terrestrial only digital tuners. I'm in a location with weak reception, and want no part of antennas. I know they won't display the HD signal (or record it), but I want a better picture than my current Panny DVD recorder (with NTSC tuner) is giving me. Have you seen it work with cable? I'm still waiting to hear from Panasonic.
post #231 of 634
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Originally Posted by BobbytheBeast View Post

Thanks, jjeff. I saw the title of this thread, but I want to make sure that it is QAM. I've read dozens of reviews and product descriptions of the EZ47VK, and I have yet to find one that even talks about receiving digital cable channels. They all talk about the performance in receiving OTA digital channels, but not even a mention anywhere of in-the-clear cable. I know that most ATSC tuners they put in TVs these days are QAM. But just a few months ago that wasn't the case. Now that they've finally gotten around to putting digital tuners in DVD recorders, I don't know if they skimp and just put in the terrestrial only digital tuners. I'm in a location with weak reception, and want no part of antennas. I know they won't display the HD signal (or record it), but I want a better picture than my current Panny DVD recorder (with NTSC tuner) is giving me. Have you seen it work with cable? I'm still waiting to hear from Panasonic.

I have an EZ17, a more basic version. I use it with Comcast Clear QAM HD channels & it works very well & the recordings looks great. I am very satisfied with the picture quality, especially the 2 hour SP mode. The 4 hr LP mode still looks pretty good unless there is a lot motion, then there is some macro-blocking. Panny still uses the full resolution in the 4 hr mode, but the bit rate is reduced, so this will affect fast motion scenes.

There is also a Flex Mode. Basically you tell the machine how long the program is & it will fill the disc with that time. IOW, suppose you want to record a 3 hr program, it will fill the disc with the 3 hrs. And the PQ still looks good at 3 hrs, at least on my 42" HDTV.
post #232 of 634
With the exception of, I don't have cable, I would have thought I was reading my own post when I was reading "Mike99's" Totally agree with him.
Great PQ recording from HD channels. Note I don't think you are going to get any better PQ recording SD channels than your current Panny. luckily they didn't try to make the recording any better ......they tried tinkering with the timer, and look where that got them
post #233 of 634
You've got me tempted to try out the Panny. I certainly wasn't satisfied at all with the recording quality from the newer Philips and Magnavox DVR's built-in, digital tuners on my 50" display. It was just adequate, but I've been spoiled by much better - mainly my Sony and Samsung tuners paired with my older Panny and Sony DVR's.

I returned the Philips yesterday (and the Maggie long ago), and I'm glad to be rid of it, based on that. Otherwise, except for not having any guide, I thought it was fine.
post #234 of 634
Truthfully if I could get a good digital tuner, that would allow channel changes at specific times, I would buy it, hook it up to my older Panny's and be done with my EZ machine.
I actually have tuned into a digital OTA HD signal on my EZ Panny, outputted it to my es-15 Panny, via S-out/in, setup my es-15 for 480i 16x9 recording. and got the same PQ on the DVD, as recording directly on the EZ.
The only thing different IMO with the new EZ machines is it has a tuner that outputs a full 480 WS signal then records it internally to the DVD.
Note I said full 480 signal, because SD tv claims to be 480, but I'd guess it's more like 300? Not truly 480. Hence the better PQ. Oh and the WS also makes a big difference.
I equate the full 480 statement to DVD's. SD tv claims to be 480, DVD's claim to be 480. When was the last time you saw a SD tv program that looked nearly as good as a good SD DVD? Me, never! W.S. aside.
Oh, and about your Philips comment. If you like Panny's, which I know you do, you'll be happier with the EZ recordings. I know I am, and I have both.
I will be hooking up mine at my fathers tomorrow. He likes to use the ep8 on his es-30 Panny.
post #235 of 634
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Originally Posted by kenpreno View Post

We have been working with this machine for some two months but it's not responding consistantly to set timers.
We can have say 5 timers to record at various times during the day from differant chnl's, we power it down, and then it will say record the first two and stop, leaving three not recorded - to VHS tape with plenty of room left.
The other issue is that we have failed to record a full four hours from a VHS tape to a DVD the SP/EP modes don't appear to funtion.
Not a simple machine.
Thanks
Ken p.

I'm also noticing times when the scheduled timer fails.

I have a Panasonic DVD Recorder model DMR-EZ475 (same as the DMR-EZ47) that has an annoying habit of occasionally failing to record a scheduled timer event. The first time it happened, two out of three timers executed correctly and recorded in EP mode to VHS but the last did not record even though it was only 1 hour long and was set for EP mode also and there were still 4 hrs availabile on the VHS tape.

The second time it happened was last night. I scheduled a movie to record to DVD-RAM, checked that there was enough room to record. powered the unit off but in the morning found that nothing had recorded. The DVD-Recorder's schedule screen still contained the scheduled entry but it was greyed-out and had an "!" (exclamation point) in the CHECK column while the front display on the unit showed the word FULL. This occured even though the on-screen status display for the DVD showed that it had enough hours free for the recording to have fit: the DVD-RAM status said that 3hrs 27mins were free and the scheduled movie was 2hrs 46mins long (2:30am to 5:15am) - it should easily have fit (I record in EP-8hr mode) ! I had someone else look at everything and agreed it should have recorded. The only way to get the front display to stop displaying the word FULL was to delete the failed entry from the schedule list. I tried just ejecting the DVD and putting it back but that didn't get rid of the FULL display entry. Any ideas what this is all about?


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Well, duh...I feel kinda stupid. I finally dug out the 90+ page users guide and looked through it to find out that FULL on the front display means that the Schedule List is full i.e. there are already 16 events programmed. Now I have no idea why my recording didn't happen since the EZ-47 didn't think the DVD was full - just the schedule list. Oh well...
post #236 of 634
Wow, this is the first I've read about the timer bug effecting VHS. Kinda eliminates the whole idea about RAM/-R/+R etc.

Yes Patman2, there is serious timer related problems with, I believe all, Panasonic EZ series DVDR's. Did you use weekly, or daily events? I think the bug only effects Weekly or daily events. Can you tell me the events that lead up to your failed RAM recording last night. Had your last recording event filled up the previous disc? What time was your event during the night. Lastly Do you use the autoclock set feature?
post #237 of 634
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Wow, this is the first I've read about the timer bug effecting VHS. Kinda eliminates the whole idea about RAM/-R/+R etc.

Yes Patman2, there is serious timer related problems with, I believe all, Panasonic EZ series DVDR's. Did you use weekly, or daily events? I think the bug only effects Weekly or daily events. Can you tell me the events that lead up to your failed RAM recording last night. Had your last recording event filled up the previous disc? What time was your event during the night. Lastly Do you use the autoclock set feature?

Well jjef, interestingly enough I read your "Failed timer recordings w/weekly events" post about the EZ-17 after I had already posted about the EZ-47 - it came up on a google search for: panasonic dvd recorder "fails to record" . Got a lot of hits. I'm trying to see how your hypothesis might fit - especially the need for a power on/off cycle after midnight since my failed DVD recording was at 2:30am and the last power on/off was the previous day.

To answer your specific questions, I use a mix of weekly, daily, and one-time events. The failed VHS event was a weekly event that usually went to DVD but I had switched it to VHS. I figured maybe that's why it didn't work even though I had done that kind of switch fairly often and successfully in the past - sometimes I want things on tape to watch on a different setup that is VHS only.

I do use the autoclock set feature - is that a factor? I didn't note that in your previous post.

The events pertaining to the failed RAM recording were:
(1) the timer was added to the list of scheduled events on Thursday 1/3 as a one-time event to record in EP-8 mode on Friday 1/4 at 2:30am. NOTE: this was event #16 FWIW.
(2) the EZ-47 was powered off at around 7:30pm on Thursday evening
(3) A weekly event recorded as scheduled on Thurs 1/3 from 8:00-11:00pm in EP mode
(4) the disk was not full after that recorded.
(5) the 2:30am event did not record and in the a.m. when the unit was powered on, it displayed an erroneous msg that the disc was full.
(6) Had to delete the failed timer entry to get rid of the "FULL" display. (sorry if I'm repeating myself - just trying to be thorough)

It's a mystery to me why the 1/4 2:30am failed. I did fill up the RAM disk maybe a week or so ago and had my unit lock up - had to hold the power on/off button for 10+seconds to get the unit to power off. After that, things were recording fine until last night.

I think I'll call my problem in to Panasonic since they seem to have their head in the sand.
post #238 of 634
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Truthfully if I could get a good digital tuner, that would allow channel changes at specific times, I would buy it, hook it up to my older Panny's and be done with my EZ machine.

Well, the Samsung DTB-H260F allows you to do that (through it's guide), but I've heard around here that it's not all that reliable, especially where recordings are consecutive and they overlap (I have one, but I've never used that feature on it - picture quality is excellent, though).
post #239 of 634
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Originally Posted by jupiter54 View Post

Does anyone know how to record multiple VHS recordings onto one DVD with the DMR- EZ475V?

I wish the manual would address this, but it turns out to be simple.

Copy VHS to DVD starts copying from wherever the VHS tape is queued, and adds to any existing recordings on the DVD (as long as the DVD hasn't been finalized).

Copying stops before the end of some of my VHS tapes which are filled with EP TV recordings, so I've learned to check the VHS counter and/or DVD time remaining to confirm that the whole tape was copied. If not, I repeat the copy process as many times as necessary to finish off the tape.

I haven't copied enough different tapes to figure out why it sometimes stops early, but I suspect it might be due to excessive empty space between recordings on the tape.
post #240 of 634
Rammitinski - You should try a Panny to see how you like it. I got the EZ17 at Fry's for $150. I did want a HDD & thought about the Philips, but it got mixed reviews as far as PQ. And of course it cost more than the EZ17. I have a 42" Sony and think the Clear QAM HD pictures look really good. I use mainly 2 hr SP mode with some FR and 4 hr LP. The 6 hr EP mode is pretty bad.

jjeff - Panny's had timer problems going back to the ES20, which I also have. If you search on that model I would not be surprised if some of the problems are the same.

When I tried some of problem timer scheduling on the ES20 I too had some problems. In my particular situation I do not use any repetitive daily programing so I have sort of danced around the timer problems. With both units I have done multiple timer recordings for different times & days when I have been away & all got recorded.

I realize it's probably a pain to program the same stuff every day, but you may have to resort to that in order to get reliability.
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