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post #271 of 634
Patman2-That sure makes sense, that they would not allow a event to be programed to a device that it would not even record on. Good to know. Were your events weekly, or Daily events, or just a one shot affair.
post #272 of 634
Hello,
I am interested in purchasing a dvd recorder to record vhs tapes onto dvds. Most of the reviews that I've read say that the picture quality is excellent on recordings made by the 47.

My question is this: I have several instructional VHS tapes with no chapters or breaks in them. When I dub these tapes onto a dvd disk, I would like to insert chapter / random access index points in them so that I could instantly go to a certain part of the lesson without having to "fast forward" through the disk. I would need to place anywhere from 12 to 20 random access / chapter points on each disk. Is the Pany 47 capable of doing this?
post #273 of 634
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Originally Posted by Bradock View Post

Hello,
I am interested in purchasing a dvd recorder to record vhs tapes onto dvds. Most of the reviews that I've read say that the picture quality is excellent on recordings made by the 47.

My question is this: I have several instructional VHS tapes with no chapters or breaks in them. When I dub these tapes onto a dvd disk, I would like to insert chapter / random access index points in them so that I could instantly go to a certain part of the lesson without having to "fast forward" through the disk. I would need to place anywhere from 12 to 20 random access / chapter points on each disk. Is the Pany 47 capable of doing this?

When a dvd is finalized, the Panasonic recorder will automatically place chapter marks every 5 minutes in each program recorded to the disc. These don't allow you to put markers where you want them. You would have to babysit the dubbing to disc, and stop/start recording to the dvd, in order to create separate segments that you can navigate to on the menu.
post #274 of 634
Another option would be to use RAM discs. They allow you to insert chapter marks where/whenever you want. Not they will not play on all other DVD player/recorders. The player must state RAM compatible. I believe all Panny's are RAM compatible, I think Toshiba's too.
Note, I know this wasn't your question, but if you were to find a DVDR(not this unit) with a HDD, I believe most if not all, would allow you you to copy to the HDD, then create your chapter marks, then burn to a DVD w/chapter marks intact. Just another thought.
I don't believe there are any DVDR's w/HDD and VHS currently made though. For sure not in the US.
post #275 of 634
I just picked up the DMR-EZ47V at Best Buy, not sure if I want to keep it yet. I'm totally new to the digital tv realm. I'm mostly happy with the dvd recorded programs, but wonder about the vhs recording capabilities of this unit. I can record a show to vhs, but it looks really bad - worse than the worst tapes I've ever seen. Audio is ok, and these are not premium channels - I tried pbs. I see in this forum that this unit does not record digital to vhs, but in that case would nothing appear, or is my result the result you will always get when you try? If you're supposed to be able to record tv programming to vhs and get a decent result, how do you do that?

One further question - I recorded a 2 hour program to dvd-rw, and see that the unit split the program into 3 video files. What I hoped to do was to copy these to my computer for editing, but if I join all three the video/audio is not synched. Is there a way to have the DMR-EZ47V not split a program into so many parts, and why would it do that anyway? I used the LP 4 hour mode. Is there any way to stop it from making chapters as well?

Thanks for any help, and sorry for all these questions in my first post! Paul
post #276 of 634
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Originally Posted by phisada View Post


One further question - I recorded a 2 hour program to dvd-rw, and see that the unit split the program into 3 video files. What I hoped to do was to copy these to my computer for editing, but if I join all three the video/audio is not synched. Is there a way to have the DMR-EZ47V not split a program into so many parts, and why would it do that anyway? I used the LP 4 hour mode. Is there any way to stop it from making chapters as well?

I don't own the 47V, so I can't address the vhs recording issue. But as for importing programs from a disc made on the unit to the pc for editing...when you open the folder after copying to pc, there are a number of files present, but you typically select only the first when you are using a dvd authoring program. The entire program's directory(?) is included, so it should not be necessary to pick all the VOB files found in the folder.
What program are you using to edit with? Most authoring software, shows you the name of each individual show that's on a disc, when you go to import from the copy of the dvd-r you copied to the pc.
post #277 of 634
Phisada,

Is the DMR-EZ47 (and DMR-EZ37 and DMR-EZ475) limited to the front panel copying control that creates new titles at videotape index marks or whenever it determines that one program has ended and another starts? Yes and No.

What if one wants to emulate the Time Limited Dubbing/Copying and Flexible Dubbing/Copying features found on 2006 and some 2005 Panasonic combo recorders?

Here are two workarounds. Both require connecting an external VCR to an INPUT on the DMR-EZ47.

I suggest making a notation of the real-time duration of the recording you wish to copy before you start.

Workaround #1. With the REC MODE button set the recording speed you wish to use. Play the videotape on the external VCR, then start recording from the INPUT with the DMR-EZ47. You may command preset recording periods of 0:30, 1:00, 1:30, 2:00, 3:00, or 4:00 by additional presses of the REC command while recording. You may wish to set those preset recording periods when your item's remaining playing time coincides with any of those recording durations.

Workaround #2. Program a “scheduled” recording, with or without Flexible Recording, where you will play the videotape on the external VCR during the scheduled recording period you have specified. Remember to select the correct INPUT as the channel to be recorded in the Schedule menu. Be sure to program a couple of extra minutes into the ending time. Remember that the DMR-EZ47 will only start scheduled recordings when the machine is powered off (standby). Watch to see when the DMR-EZ47 powers itself on. You may watch the TV beginning at that point. Notice that the DMR-EZ47 powers on in the "pause recording" phase. One minute later the DMR-EZ47 will actually start recording. At that time start the videotape playing on the external VCR. You may revise the ending time in the Schedule menu during recording, unless you have set up a Flexible Recording.

These procedures restore control of the DMR-EZ47 to you. These procedures may also be used with Panasonic DVD recorders without VHS sections.
post #278 of 634
I also don't own a 47V, but as far as the VHS, on my ES-30(2yr old Panny w/VHS, it has quite good PQ with the VHS. What speed did you use? On my es-30 it has a 10 hr speed called VP. As can be imagined it is not very good PQ.
On your 3 different files. Since I never watch my DVD's on a PC, I'm not sure whats happening there. I would think you would only have separate files when you push stop. When you do push stop, a separate title is generated.
As far as chapters, I don't believe there is anything you can do about that. Panasonics generate chapters every 5 minutes or so. I don't believe you can stop it from doing this. Some DVDR's will allow this, I know on the Philips 3575 you can change the timing of the chapters, or remove them all together, but my Panny's anyway, you cannot change this. The one exception is RAM discs. With RAM's you can add/remove chapters. Maybe they would work better for you. I'm believe all PC's play RAM's??

Digido brought up a good point. From what source did you do your 2hr -RW recording from. Was it from VHS, DV input, line input or Tuner?
post #279 of 634
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I also don't own a 47V, but as far as the VHS, on my ES-30(2yr old Panny w/VHS, it has quite good PQ with the VHS. What speed did you use? On my es-30 it has a 10 hr speed called VP. As can be imagined it is not very good PQ.
On your 3 different files. Since I never watch my DVD's on a PC, I'm not sure whats happening there. I would think you would only have separate files when you push stop. When you do push stop, a separate title is generated.
As far as chapters, I don't believe there is anything you can do about that. Panasonics generate chapters every 5 minutes or so. I don't believe you can stop it from doing this. Some DVDR's will allow this, I know on the Philips 3575 you can change the timing of the chapters, or remove them all together, but my Panny's anyway, you cannot change this. The one exception is RAM discs. With RAM's you can add/remove chapters. Maybe they would work better for you. I'm believe all PC's play RAM's??

Digido brought up a good point. From what source did you do your 2hr -RW recording from. Was it from VHS, DV input, line input or Tuner?

A PC should play a DVD-Ram disc, If the DVD drive one is using supports a DVD-Ram disc and If ones Software Codec does too, Otherwise It won't work.
post #280 of 634
Jeff,

When using the front panel control for dubbing/copying the video tape plays until a videotape index mark or real or imagined program break is encountered. The videotape stops and the DVD recording stops at that point. The videotape rewinds briefly. Then the videotape starts playing and the DVD recording restarts as a new title. This is an astoundingly annoying "feature."

The workarounds mentioned in my earlier post provide for a seemless DVD recording, with the usual five minute chapters after finalizing.
post #281 of 634
DigaDo:

I have a question about the DMR-ES46V, does it allow flexible recording from it's internal vcr to dvd recorder? And do you know if there is any quality difference between the DMR-ES46V and DMR-EZ47V using the internal VCR to DVD for dubbing projects? I picked up the EZ47V for $260 but if I can return it, I can get the ES46V for $130. Thank you for all your info.
post #282 of 634
Thanks to all for responding - I was trying to use sony vegas dvd architect, but I don't think that it will import from an existing recorded dvd to allow changes. Then I tried joining the three segments using a program called easympg, that did join them but didn't synch the audio/video. I looked at it in sony vegas as well, but it had problems just importing one of the segments. When I finally got all the segments in the project I could see where the audio and video don't synch. It's such a process to work with mpg in vegas - rendering video and audio separately, I just gave up on it. If you know of a program that will put these segments together and allow me to edit, that would be cool.
post #283 of 634
JJeff and DigaDo, regarding the vhs recording, I recorded from the tuner using line input, I thought it would come out better that way. I used LP mode - I think that will allow 6 hours total on the tapes I'm using. My other budget nondigital vcrs seem to have no trouble recording anything - the quality isn't fantastic, but not the nearly unviewable stuff I'm getting with the ez47.

One note - I'm not connected using the procedure outlined in the manual for "cable box". I have verizon fios with a motorola stb (without dvr) and using that procedure it behaved as though the ez47 wasn't connected at all when it came to recording and playback - no menus either. So I had to connect the cable first to the stb, and from there to the ez47, and then to the tv, which is not digital. I have rca connected from the stb to the ez47 - so when I record it can be via line input or ch03, and it seems to default to line.

You can tell I'm not an expert at this - is the verizon stb going to behave differently than a typical cable stb? Or am I not connecting this thing up correctly?
post #284 of 634
To jjeff and others: I almost purchased the Panasonic EZ47VK based on your answers to my question about whether it had a QAM tuner. According to Panasonic consumer support, it doesn't. Here is the exact response I received...

Thank you for your response. The unit is not designed with a QAM tuner.
The digital tuner on our unit will only receive and allow recording from
digital terrestrial channels.

Thank you for your interest in Panasonic products.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support
post #285 of 634
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Originally Posted by phisada View Post

If you know of a program that will put these segments together and allow me to edit, that would be cool.

Try the trial version of TMPG DVD Author, which can be found here. http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda3.html
post #286 of 634
Sounds like you have it hooked fine. I personally never use LP(4hr mode) for VHS. I use SP(2hr mode) for quality and SLP(6hr mode) for the extended time. I would think the LP should be a little bit better than SLP, but it is kind of a orphan speed for VHS. Not many players allow special effects in LP speed. Yes you should get a better PQ using RCA/line input, vs. CH3. How is the PQ recording the same source to DVD? That would help narrow it down to the VHS recorder or source problems.
post #287 of 634
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Sounds like you have it hooked fine. I personally never use LP(4hr mode) for VHS. I use SP(2hr mode) for quality and SLP(6hr mode) for the extended time. I would think the LP should be a little bit better than SLP, but it is kind of a orphan speed for VHS. Not many players allow special effects in LP speed. Yes you should get a better PQ using RCA/line input, vs. CH3. How is the PQ recording the same source to DVD? That would help narrow it down to the VHS recorder or source problems.

The dvd recording of a similar television program from the same source came out just great. The source is the stb itself, I would assume. Do you think the vhs component is defective? One thing I haven't tried is playing back a commercially produced tape. I'll try that also.
post #288 of 634
Bobbythebeast, Well I checked Panasonic.com and while you're correct it does not specifically say QAM anywhere, under the spec's I did find this reference:

TV Channel Analog/Digital Analog/Digital 2-69ch
CATV Channel Analog/Digital Analog/Digital 1-135ch

I would assume since they say CATV analog/digital that digital is QAM?
Note they do not use the term QAM on any of there DVDR's, on the website, or in the manual of my EZ-17. My manual does repeat the above table though. Can anyone with a EZ unit hooked up to cable chime in? Why don't they use the term QAM with these units?

Paul, It sure sounds like there's a problem with your VHS. Could you try another blank tape? One last thought, was the channel you were trying to record from digital or a analog one. I've been told that a person cannot record from a digital channel to the VHS, using the built in tuner. I wonder if that also pertains to recording via it's line input?
post #289 of 634
MrWhiteTHC,

It is to be regretted that Panasonic has stripped the DMR-EZ47V and other current model combo recorders of essential dubbing/copying features.

The DMR-ES46V has the ability to set up Time Limited Copying as well as Flexible Recording Copying when the copying process is initiated through the FUNCTIONS menu found on the remote control.

The DMR-EZ47V does not have menu-initiated Copying. Not good!

I have experience using DMR-ES30V and DMR-ES35V combo recorders. Like the DMR-ES35V, the DMR-ES46V is a 2006 model. For copying videotapes there is no operational difference between these models. These are full-featured dubbing/copying workhorses. Very good!

During my extensive dubbing project I encountered some videotapes (Sony T-160 recorded at EP) that Panasonic VHS sections had difficulty tracking satisfactorily. To overcome this difficulty I set up two Toshiba VCRs, a M781 and a M745 (of 1996 vintage) connected to INPUTS on two of the four main Panasonic combo recorders in my dubbing arrangement. The Toshibas had more flexible tracking adjustments and tracked most videotapes satisfactorily.

I found a slight picture quality advantage with internal dubbing/copying.

The workarounds mentioned in my earlier post were used with the Toshiba VCRs during my dubbing project.

During my dubbing project about 5,200 titles were transitioned to DVD so I write from extensive experience.

My advice: If possible, avoid the stripped down 2007 models due to their unsatisfactory front panel copying method.
post #290 of 634
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Bobbythebeast, Well I checked Panasonic.com and while you're correct it does not specifically say QAM anywhere, under the spec's I did find this reference:

TV Channel Analog/Digital Analog/Digital 2-69ch
CATV Channel Analog/Digital Analog/Digital 1-135ch

I would assume since they say CATV analog/digital that digital is QAM?
Note they do not use the term QAM on any of there DVDR's, on the website, or in the manual of my EZ-17. My manual does repeat the above table though. Can anyone with a EZ unit hooked up to cable chime in? Why don't they use the term QAM with these units?

Paul, It sure sounds like there's a problem with your VHS. Could you try another blank tape? One last thought, was the channel you were trying to record from digital or a analog one. I've been told that a person cannot record from a digital channel to the VHS, using the built in tuner. I wonder if that also pertains to recording via it's line input?

Jjeff, the channel I tried recording was one of the basic channels you can get without the stb - so I'm guessing that it's not digital. Also, afaik, I am not using the digital tuner. I'll try a brand new tape.
post #291 of 634
A couple of user reviews on Amazon seem to indicate that it does have a QAM tuner:

1. The best thing it does - Its digital tuner is pulling in about 15 digital channels from my Comcast analog cable, most of which are in high def. They are all HD versions of my local abc, cbs, nbc, fox channels plus extra PBS channels, mostly in high def.

2. As for the good, the recordings it makes on DVD are very nice, with good sound. SO much better than on VHS. The built-in tuner is a plus, and it picks up my free digital channels, although it doesn't record in HD.
The reviews can be found at:
http://********/TriZY
post #292 of 634
Phisada-I understood you were recording through the line in, the reason I asked if your cable box was tuned to a digital channel (usually a "." channel) is apparently the VHS cannot record a digital "." channel internally to the VHS. I haven't heard if anyone has had luck recording a digital "." channel to the VHS by using line in, like you are doing. How did your commercial tape look, playing through the unit?
post #293 of 634
"Thank you for your response. The unit is not designed with a QAM tuner.
The digital tuner on our unit will only receive and allow recording from
digital terrestrial channels. "

I record from digital broadcast channels off my cable all the time. Works fine.
One example. I record Grays Anatomy from channel 2.1 (off the cable), and I get the HD broadcast in 16:9, with "near HD" quality.
I just did a setup off the cable and got both the digital and analog broadcast channels...
post #294 of 634
Well, I guess just because someone works for Panasonic Consumer Support doesn't necessarily mean they know their products or even take time to research something before they answer a question. Maybe it was this guy's first day. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has the EZ47V(K) hooked up to cable and is able to receive and record the digital (clear) channels.
post #295 of 634
Has anyone tried downloading and applying the firmware update from the Panasonic site?

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e....DMR-EZ475VK.H

It says its "Software Download - DMR-EZ47 - RRT (Region Rating Table) Patch 2007"

I downloaded a file named PANA_DVD.FRM but found no directions on how to do the upgrade. Through google I found that this is the standard name Panasonic uses for firmware for many models. I found instructions for other models that say to burn the PANA_DVD.FRM to a CD-R and finalize it on PC. Then insert into EZ-47. I'm not all that interested in flying blind on this - has anyone done this successfully? Any tips or actual EZ-47 instructions? Is this the same file that Panasonic has mailed out to others?

jjef - is this the upgrade that did no good for you?
post #296 of 634
Yes I have tried what I believe is the same upgrade, but for my EZ-17, and it did not correct any of the timer bug problems, at least the ones that cause me problems.
I usually call Panasonic and request the latest firmware be mailed out, on a CD. I would rather get it from Panasonic, instead of downloading/burning a CD myself. They don't charge for the CD and it usually only takes a week or so.
I think I read the description about what this firmware fix was for, on some thread on AVS. It was not for timer problems, but rather as the title said, for some kind of ratings table.
post #297 of 634
Bobbythebeast-I really don't have confidence in Panasonic support, at least in relation to my timer problems. I cant figure why Panasonic refuses to admit there tuner is QAM, but have read many posts from people saying the receive many new digital channels with there DVDR. Note I did read a post from someone saying that many of his upper(500-700)digital channels were not available with his EZ unit. Maybe that's why they try to downplay the QAM part. Otherwise people would be upset that it would not get all the channels that would be available with there cable box. Not to mention all the possible channels not in the clear, scrambled. That would be my guess anyway.
post #298 of 634
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Phisada-I understood you were recording through the line in, the reason I asked if your cable box was tuned to a digital channel (usually a "." channel) is apparently the VHS cannot record a digital "." channel internally to the VHS. I haven't heard if anyone has had luck recording a digital "." channel to the VHS by using line in, like you are doing. How did your commercial tape look, playing through the unit?

Well, I'm a happier camper now. By using SP mode and line in to record to vhs, I have decent results. It's as good or better than my older stand alone vhs recorders. I think I'm experiencing a learning curve with this unit, so thanks to all for bearing with me. Not that I plan to do a lot of vhs recording given that I've got a dvd recorder now, but after what I paid I wanted the entire unit to be operational.

Regarding digital channels - I'm not sure what to say on that. So far I've been able to record any of the channels I get in the verizon fios basic package. Maybe I'm getting a digital to analog conversion somehow - if panasonic says digital can't be recorded to vhs, then I would assume it can't. Verizon claims "Fiber optic power lets us deliver a 100% digital picture". Anybody else tried vhs recording of what they can confirm to be a digital channel?
post #299 of 634
Phisada,

I have a DMR-EZ17 (with analog/digital tuner) that I have connected to Comcast digital cable without a cable box. All the digital and HD channels are downconverted to Standard Definition. I have had no problem recording these digital channels. Current model Panasonic analog/digital tuners do not tune or record beyond the 135 channel range.

I set up another DMR-EZ17 for a relative. This was an antenna-only installation. I did not experiment with recording the OTA digital and HD channels.

One of these days I shall set up my DMR-EZ17 for OTA reception and experiment with recording digital and HD broadcast stations.
post #300 of 634
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Bobbythebeast-I really don't have confidence in Panasonic support, at least in relation to my timer problems. I cant figure why Panasonic refuses to admit there tuner is QAM, but have read many posts from people saying the receive many new digital channels with there DVDR. Note I did read a post from someone saying that many of his upper(500-700)digital channels were not available with his EZ unit. Maybe that's why they try to downplay the QAM part. Otherwise people would be upset that it would not get all the channels that would be available with there cable box. Not to mention all the possible channels not in the clear, scrambled. That would be my guess anyway.


It's possible that Comcast may be encrypting the programs on their channel numbers 500-700 which are mapped channels. So it would not matter what the real frequencies or QAM channel numbers were. IOW they may be mapping 125 to 525, but if QAM 125 is encrypted you will never get it with a Clear QAM tuner.

I seem to recall real cable channels can go as high 158 (1000 MHz), but usually do not go higher than 135 (860 MHz), however someone will have to verify or correct me on that. But if 135 is Comcast's highest channel all you need is a CableCard slot on your Panny!!
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