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post #1 of 24
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Hi all - there are some sellers on ebay who are selling high end projectors that happen to all be the same guy. (Ebay Australia)

Confirmed so far (all the ads have the same mobile number): We think that its a guy named "Shonky Steve" who frequents alof of forums selling dodgy equipment. On one forum, messages were posted warning people about this guy. He then posted messages saying how he was really a good seller etc and tried to discredit the orignal person who complained. He then sent fake 'cease and desist' emails to the forum admin (same mobile number, and the same ip address of the guy who claimed he was a 'good seller'). Then two new users sprung up "supporting" him - but with the same grammar, spelling and most importantly - ipaddress!

When posts were made about this - he (under a username OzCRT) came back and threatened me with more legal action.

He misrepresents gear, saying it is "9/10" when in fact the tubes are worn out. He doesn't answer direct questions. His auctions are now all private but ebay's statistics confirmed that many of the bidders at his (all user ids) had high bidding activity rates with the same user. He has to relist items frequently (using shonky excuses). Often the same gear is listed again (if any of his shill ids win). With each ID, he sells a whole lot of cheap stuff until he's sold about 30 items with 100% rating - then starts selling the shonky expensive stuff. When/if someone gives him bad feedback or starts posting about him in forums, he starts this process again.

The usernames confirmed so far: (same mobile number) XXXX744804 (edited)

ozsellingstuff, finedigital, bigscreenrush

Here are two auction examples of 'these guys':

http://cgi.*********.au/SONY-1252-PR...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.*********.au/BARCO-GRAPHI...QQcmdZViewItem

Be VERY careful dealing with anyone that has the same "format" of ads as this guy. There's a lot of information about him around but until now, no-one was sure that he was being a phoenix with his user-ids.
post #2 of 24
Mate

Are you sure steve and Ozcrt are the same guy's.Ozcrt(Peter)is in Sydney and Steve is in Melbourne.

No offence mate but this public shaming seems a bit personal?The crt community is tight nit and everybody knows who to buy and not to buy from.I don't think there was any need to publicly humuliate the guy's however,I've not bought anything from them due to their questionable auction practices so I wouldn't know if they deserve this public lashing.

Dave
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by eandoz View Post

Mate

Are you sure steve and Ozcrt are the same guy's.Ozcrt(Peter)is in Sydney and Steve is in Melbourne.

No offence mate but this public shaming seems a bit personal?The crt community is tight nit and everybody knows who to buy and not to buy from.I don't think there was any need to publicly humuliate the guy's however,I've not bought anything from them due to their questionable auction practices so I wouldn't know if they deserve this public lashing.

Dave

Even if Ozcrt and Steve aren't the same person, OzCRT, ozsellingstuff, finedigital definately are (unless they share the same mobile number and copy writer). Shonky Steve and OzCRT definately use the same shonky practices.

When someone acts like he has, frankly - the community needs to be made aware. Check for yourself! I almost bought a Barco 1209S off the guy that is now relisted (probably because his shill ID won the auction) - even if its another piece of equipment, how do you explain the same mobile numbers on all the different userids?

I'm not saying he hasn't sold good gear, but he has sold alot of really bad gear and misrepresented it. Anyone that goes around using mutliple user names etc SHOULD be exposed for what they are before other people get ripped off. IMHO.
post #4 of 24
I can understand how pissed off you must be, but I think most of the OZ CRT community is quite suspicious and aware of these so called mint projectors on ebay.

I personally would not buy a CRT from ebay unless I have checked the unit out before the auction ended, or when it's an absolute bargain and you can't lose.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by oliverg View Post

Even if Ozcrt and Steve aren't the same person, OzCRT, ozsellingstuff, finedigital definately are (unless they share the same mobile number and copy writer). Shonky Steve and OzCRT definately use the same shonky practices.

When someone acts like he has, frankly - the community needs to be made aware. Check for yourself! I almost bought a Barco 1209S off the guy that is now relisted (probably because his shill ID won the auction) - even if its another piece of equipment, how do you explain the same mobile numbers on all the different userids?

I'm not saying he hasn't sold good gear, but he has sold alot of really bad gear and misrepresented it. Anyone that goes around using mutliple user names etc SHOULD be exposed for what they are before other people get ripped off. IMHO.

IF you're into crt's and you get shafted by one of these sellers with their ******** cut and paste ads with no description,no photo's of actual unit,no tube face pics,private auctions etc etc.......then my friend you deserve to get ripped off.

By the way,I always thought it was Dodgy steve not shonky,hmmmm must have been an upgrade
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by eandoz View Post

IF you're into crt's and you get shafted by one of these sellers with their ******** cut and paste ads with no description,no photo's of actual unit,no tube face pics,private auctions etc etc.......then my friend you deserve to get ripped off.

By the way,I always thought it was Dodgy steve not shonky,hmmmm must have been an upgrade

I' m very wary of putting any sort of blame on the victims. They don't deserve to get ripped off at all. Ebay should be a safe place where ads are actually accurate. There should be no shill bidding, misrepresentation or fraud. Remember, a lot of people that buy stuff are noobies - I had -6- guys contact me today and thank me because they were going to bid on that projector - 4 of them had never owned a projector before and were hoping (as we all do) for a bargain. I've pointed them towards a reputable dealer whom they will definately get a good price and a great projector off.

That's just 6 people who actually contacted me - imagine how many others are out there that are unaware and uneducated. Its not right that sheisters like this do what they do and get away with it. I spoke to someone in law enforcement in Australia and he tells me what they are doing is obtaining financial gain by deception and fraudulent - and that's not just wrong, its criminal! (apparently one off people doing it isn't, but people who are doing it as a business - that's a different story)
post #7 of 24
I agree, I'm not sure all this character bashing is all that helpful. Sure, let people know that they need to be extra careful when dealing with certain sellers. And if you want to be more specific, request that interested parties contact you via PM. This sort of approach just opens you up to a lot of criticism. My 2c.
post #8 of 24
IT IS VERY SIMPLE.........


Ebay should only have ONE ID, any more is a rule breach.

REPORT IT.

They do actually respond, I have had many bad IDs removed.............

Many people I know have 2 IDs but if used for good reasons then I see no harm.............
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by eandoz View Post

Mate

Are you sure steve and Ozcrt are the same guy's.Ozcrt(Peter)is in Sydney and Steve is in Melbourne.

No offence mate but this public shaming seems a bit personal?The crt community is tight nit and everybody knows who to buy and not to buy from.I don't think there was any need to publicly humuliate the guy's however,I've not bought anything from them due to their questionable auction practices so I wouldn't know if they deserve this public lashing.

Dave

How would a newbie know who to avoid? Look at PSI when they were around. How many did they screw?
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Person99 View Post

How would a newbie know who to avoid? Look at PSI when they were around. How many did they screw?

Well, I can think of one!

They did have a nice ad, which it looks like this ozcrt guy is emulating.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by lewis View Post

I agree, I'm not sure all this character bashing is all that helpful. Sure, let people know that they need to be extra careful when dealing with certain sellers. And if you want to be more specific, request that interested parties contact you via PM. This sort of approach just opens you up to a lot of criticism. My 2c.


All I have done is written down the facts. Its nothing about "bashing" - if I didn't write the facts down, people would say to me "what you have written is unsubstantiated, how can you write such awful things" Imagine if I said "be very careful with certain sellers and nothing else - THEN I would be open to criticism
If he was only using one user id - well i might not have said anything - but the way he works means that no-one can be sure who is who.

Honestly lewis, how can anyone defend people like this in -any- way? Far from being criticized , as I mentioned, I have had a lot of people contact me - to thank me. Not just 1 or 2 - but a LOT! Alot of people are angry (rightfully so) with this guy.

Look at this for what it is. A genuine warning to the community about someone who regularly practices "all sorts of shonky". I'm sorry if what you see offends your sensibilities, but I hope it offends you less than someone saying "I've been ripped of $5000 and I got a projector with burnt out tubes and broken neck boards and all people are saying to me is I should have been more careful". Some don't feel sorry for victims - that's their choice. I'm not one of those people.
Especially as I almost got caught out by the guy.

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Originally Posted by Person99 View Post

How would a newbie know who to avoid? Look at PSI when they were around. How many did they screw?

Another Person99 comment I agree completely with.
post #12 of 24
Well if anyone sees a CRT (specifically a Barco Data 701s) on there from a seller named "moosabecmarine" it's absolutely cool. That's me and I'm thinking of selling that Barco (I know I've said that like 3 times already but I'm getting serious lol) I bought from 316 not too long ago. I love the thing really but I don't see it being practical in college so I may jump to LCD land. So if anyone's interested don't shy away. Sorry to anyone who's got burned on there in the past btw.

Edit: It's officially listed now, I won't link or anything and I am staying on topic (kinda :P) so I'm not technically breaking forum rules. And if I am I'm terribly sorry tell me and I'll delete this. Look me up on eBay if you're interested.
post #13 of 24
i found steve in melbourne fine. i bought a 1252 of him a while back and it was a great unit.
as for the ebay guys, well if you cant say something nice best i don't say anything at all, except that i learnt a valuable lesson

i occassionally look on ebay and notice the same ads, same set ups and know that they are the same guy

best advice, know your stuff, go and see the unit in person, get a guarantee in writing or ask people here what to look for. And dont try outbid private bidders.

but from my personal experience just be very weary of those who wont be named, or just best to stay clear.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by oliverg View Post

All I have done is written down the facts. Honestly lewis, how can anyone defend people like this in -any- way? Far from being criticized , as I mentioned, I have had a lot of people contact me - to thank me. Not just 1 or 2 - but a LOT! Alot of people are angry (rightfully so) with this guy..

I think you did the right thing and I thank you This hobby does NOT need people like that operating below the radar and they need to be outed and punished, like the current government in the US.

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Originally Posted by oliverg View Post

I hope it offends you less than someone saying "I've been ripped of $5000 and I got a projector with burnt out tubes and broken neck boards and all people are saying to me is I should have been more careful". Some don't feel sorry for victims - that's their choice. I'm not one of those people.
Especially as I almost got caught out by the guy.
Another Person99 comment I agree completely with.

Hearing about someone getting ripped for $5K makes me ill, it's only happened once here in 4 years ago to a guy named Pedro. He wound up in a New York court of law over it and hopefully it tuned out in his favor.
Look, air-freight to a major airport in OZ is $400. US, of course there's customs on top of that but regradless you will get something in the best condition possible if you buy from one of the 3 places the known sellers with excellent reputations sell on. Those web-sites are

1) http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/fs.pl?projcrta
2) http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTforSale.shtm
3) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...prune=14&f=125
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by draganm View Post

I think you did the right thing and I thank you This hobby does NOT need people like that operating below the radar and they need to be outed and punished, like the current government in the US.

Hearing about someone getting ripped for $5K makes me ill, it's only happened once here in 4 years ago to a guy named Pedro. He wound up in a New York court of law over it and hopefully it tuned out in his favor.
Look, air-freight to a major airport in OZ is $400. US, of course there's customs on top of that but regradless you will get something in the best condition possible if you buy from one of the 3 places the known sellers with excellent reputations sell on. Those web-sites are

1) http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/fs.pl?projcrta
2) http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTforSale.shtm
3) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...prune=14&f=125

Thank you Draganm - I appreciate your thoughts.

I ended up going with Curt. The guy has been absolutely fantastic. I've bugged him with so many 'silly' questions but he cheerfully answers each one and there's always a laugh in each reply (he has a GSOH!). Well recommended.

For mods I've been talking to Mike and Greg - even though they are in competition to each other, well lets say these are two I'm having real problems choosing between, both are very helpful and obviously masters of their craft.

I probably wouldn't have said anything about OzCRT but you should have seen the things he wrote on Curt's forum. He was actually foaming at the mouth (virtually) and threatining me with legal action. He was denying everything - then when a few people noticed the mobiles were the same number, I posted this and no-one has heard from him since. Vanished with shame. I hope we've disrupted his shannigans.

I know people that have read these threads will certainly be keeping an eye out for sellers with the same MO in the future.

Kind regards
post #16 of 24
The other way to find a CRT in Oz is to contact some of us, and we'll ask through the network.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by oliverg View Post

Thank you Draganm - I appreciate your thoughts.

I ended up going with Curt. The guy has been absolutely fantastic. I've bugged him with so many 'silly' questions but he cheerfully answers each one and there's always a laugh in each reply (he has a GSOH!). Well recommended.

For mods I've been talking to Mike and Greg - even though they are in competition to each other, well lets say these are two I'm having real problems choosing between, both are very helpful and obviously masters of their craft.

I probably wouldn't have said anything about OzCRT but you should have seen the things he wrote on Curt's forum. He was actually foaming at the mouth (virtually) and threatining me with legal action. He was denying everything - then when a few people noticed the mobiles were the same number, I posted this and no-one has heard from him since. Vanished with shame. I hope we've disrupted his shannigans.

I know people that have read these threads will certainly be keeping an eye out for sellers with the same MO in the future.

Kind regards

Everyone go have a look at curts website for yourself and make up your own mind. The story is there for everyone to see.
It starts off by someone accusing the seller of selling him a broken projector and the seller responds by posting working pictures of the CRT on the forum. Then the accusations continue.

Its a bit sus how one minute they hammer and shame one seller while on the other hand they also saying "contact us to buy a crt"
Is it only me or can someone else see something wrong here.
post #18 of 24
If you are refering to my comment. No, I don't have a CRT for sale. I've never been in it for the money.

But I know a lot of CRT owners, and I could ask around. You are also likely to get a demo of someone's CRT - one not for sale, so no sales pressure. As well as hands on help possibly - it's a tight knit community.

A couple of the guys helped me out, finding me my first projector at a reasonable price, and helped set it up - taught me the ropes.

It's the least I can do to pay it forward.
post #19 of 24
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Same goes for me

I don't sell anything. But when someone tries to rip me off, I'll let others know if applicable.

If they help me and have been fantastic, I'll also let people know.

Nothing "suspicous" about it.

What I love is how the guy is there being very active - he denies (especially how "I do not use multiple user ids) everything until its pointed out that all his ids share the same mobile number.

Then he vanishes in shame.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by draganm View Post

I think you did the right thing and I thank you This hobby does NOT need people like that operating below the radar and they need to be outed and punished, like the current government in the US.

Hearing about someone getting ripped for $5K makes me ill, it's only happened once here in 4 years ago to a guy named Pedro. He wound up in a New York court of law over it and hopefully it tuned out in his favor.
Look, air-freight to a major airport in OZ is $400. US, of course there's customs on top of that but regradless you will get something in the best condition possible if you buy from one of the 3 places the known sellers with excellent reputations sell on. Those web-sites are

1) http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/fs.pl?projcrta
2) http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTforSale.shtm
3) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...prune=14&f=125

There was another guy in France who got stiffed by a US seller on a G90 for something in the order of $20K. This was about 3-4 years ago. Not sure if he got his money back.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by SatGuy View Post

Its a bit sus how one minute they hammer and shame one seller while on the other hand they also saying "contact us to buy a crt"
Is it only me or can someone else see something wrong here.

Well that's incorrect and if you go back and read the thread all thew way through you will get your facts straight. That thread wasn't started to bash anybody. I started that thread not curt, and it was about how much people were paying for CRT in Australia. I was simply amazed that people were paying around $2K for a sony 12XX series that people here in the states Give away or sell for a hundred bucks. The whole thing about "shonky sellers" was started later in the thread by guys from Australia who got ripped off .It was pepetutated and brought back later by more folks from Australia who also got ripped off or came close to getting ripped off.
Now if it appears that everyone is always cheering from Curt that shouldn't be a big surprise. He has helped hundreds of us either start a HT or fix a broken projector. Not to mention the forum he started has become the biggest and most comprehensive source of information, products, and help for CRT lovers in the world. If you don't like Curt for wahtever reason, then go to videogon and you will find E-tech. in Phoenix, Terry F. in Georigia , and other good people.
Just don't spend $4000. on a piece of junk with burnt tubes from E-bay Australia that will arrived smashed at your door.

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Originally Posted by lewis View Post

There was another guy in France who got stiffed by a US seller on a G90 for something in the order of $20K. This was about 3-4 years ago. Not sure if he got his money back.

WOW, when did that happen? I've been on AVS every day for 4 years and never saw that unfold.
post #22 of 24
I don't see why everyone's so surprised. Everyone knows that Australia was founded by a bunch of criminals right?

It's no surprise that 2/3 of the 'cease and desist' email threats I've gotten as curt's webmaster are from Australia.

(ducking ....)

Kal
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by draganm View Post

Well that's incorrect and if you go back and read the thread all thew way through you will get your facts straight. That thread wasn't started to bash anybody. I started that thread not curt, and it was about how much people were paying for CRT in Australia. I was simply amazed that people were paying around $2K for a sony 12XX series that people here in the states Give away or sell for a hundred bucks. The whole thing about "shonky sellers" was started later in the thread by guys from Australia who got ripped off .It was pepetutated and brought back later by more folks from Australia who also got ripped off or came close to getting ripped off.
Now if it appears that everyone is always cheering from Curt that shouldn't be a big surprise. He has helped hundreds of us either start a HT or fix a broken projector. Not to mention the forum he started has become the biggest and most comprehensive source of information, products, and help for CRT lovers in the world. If you don't like Curt for wahtever reason, then go to videogon and you will find E-tech. in Phoenix, Terry F. in Georigia , and other good people.
Just don't spend $4000. on a piece of junk with burnt tubes from E-bay Australia that will arrived smashed at your door.

WOW, when did that happen? I've been on AVS every day for 4 years and never saw that unfold.


Fair go we don't all get ripped off!

I admit I did pay A$2000 for a 12xx once - 6 years ago, and it was the going rate at the time. Sold it for A$2000 a few months later and got an NEC Xtra for A$1200 - back then a very good price.

I won't say what I paid for my XG , but it was all thanks to Ken (YONESX here) who put me onto a great deal in Singapore. It's all who you know.
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
FYI another userid of this guy has been uncovered: Satguy

PM me for more details

What is so hilarious is that Satguy is another one of Ozsellingstuff/Ozcrt/finedigital/bigscreenrush's IDs!! I love it when his aliases come and defend "himself"

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Originally Posted by SatGuy View Post

Everyone go have a look at curts website for yourself and make up your own mind. The story is there for everyone to see.
It starts off by someone accusing the seller of selling him a broken projector and the seller responds by posting working pictures of the CRT on the forum. Then the accusations continue.

Its a bit sus how one minute they hammer and shame one seller while on the other hand they also saying "contact us to buy a crt"
Is it only me or can someone else see something wrong here.
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