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Thread Starter 
Official SONY BRAVIA® E-series 3LCD Rear Projection HDTV Owner's Thread

Seems like time to start this thread as Sony has released the new
E3000 Series

Here's the C-NET Review
post #2 of 465
IMHO, the time to start this thread would be when someone here actually owns this set and (again IMHO) an actual E3000 owner should have the privilege of starting an E3000 owner's thread.
Also, the link you provided is not to a review, it is to a few paragraphs about the TV's feature set.
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I just saw the E3000 in a Best Buy yesterday. It was right next to an A2020. I watched both TV's for about 15 minutes. I must say that the E3000 was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH sharper than the A2020. Now I think the A2020's are blurry to begin with but the E3000 really looked good to me. At $200 less than the A2020 I don't know why anyone would even consider buying the A2020 anymore? I would be pissed if I bought an A2020. Those almost appear defective compared to the E3000!
post #4 of 465
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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd View Post

I just saw the E3000 in a Best Buy yesterday. It was right next to an A2020. I watched both TV's for about 15 minutes. I must say that the E3000 was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH sharper than the A2020. Now I think the A2020's are blurry to begin with but the E3000 really looked good to me. At $200 less than the A2020 I don't know why anyone would even consider buying the A2020 anymore? I would be pissed if I bought an A2020. Those almost appear defective compared to the E3000!

Sorry, but the picture quality on the A2020 is going to be a lot better than the E3000. I'm better neither set you were looking at was even coarsely calibrated and they were in a store, which is a lousy environment. Take them both into a good environment with a good signal (Blu-Ray would be nice) and adjust them properly. The A2020 will be better.

Now, don't get me wrong, the E3000 should look pretty good, but the LCoS sets will be better.
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Any actual owners yet?
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

Any actual owners yet?

This TV has apparently been recalled by Sony due to some quality control issue. I have gotten this answer from 3 Best Buy stores in the area. They apparently received an e-mail on the issue. FWIW.
post #7 of 465
This TV was at my Best Buy yesterday 8/2/07 in the 50 inch version. Picture looked great to me. I'm looking for the 46 inch version and I was told it will be out August 14th.
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Hmmm, wonder if shot myself in the foot in buying the 50E2000 last year at this time rather then waiting for this one to come out. I like it alot, but I wonder if not having 1080P is gonna screw me in the end. All I play is my 360, no Blue Ray or HD DVD at this point for awhile. Other then that, im very happy with my TV, still need to pay it off

Owell, I guess I remind myself of someones quote about technology purchasing

"If you always wait for the latest and greatest, you will always have nothing"

post #9 of 465
Thread Starter 
Anyone yet have the new E3000?
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I ordered this unit about a month ago and after the delays on Sony's side, it just arrived at Ultimate Electronics in Phx, AZ .This TV will be replacing a KDF-42E2000 that is in our bedroom, this will make it's way to my 14yr stepsons room.

I have one of those great wife's that has lived with the constant tinkering of picture settings and the swapping out of a TV after a day or two...so she is not holding her breath.

I will let you know what the pq is like.
Dvtrail
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Thread Starter 
Congrats!! how do u like the PQ on E3000?
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I recently purchased one at BB, the PQ is good but the picture is slanted upward from left to the right on the tv...i measured 2 inches from end of image to max screen size on left and 1 3/4 inches on the right side, Sony is sending a tech out to fix the issue on Sept 5 and it could be 1 of 2 parts according to the tech, the problem is most likely due to the way the TV was handled according to the tech

I will let everyone know what happens
post #13 of 465
I frankly am not happy with the unit at all. If you feed it a good HD source, the PQ is not to bad, of all things dvd with a hdmi cable is just terrible and makes SD look good.I have an A2020 50" in the LR and I will order a A3000 to replace the E3000.

..But on a side note the dedicated source option on the remote and the xcross media bar are great improvments over my other Sony TV products.

Have a good one guys and gals
post #14 of 465
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Originally Posted by dvtrail View Post

I frankly am not happy with the unit at all. If you feed it a good HD source, the PQ is not to bad, of all things dvd with a hdmi cable is just terrible and makes SD look good.I have an A2020 50" in the LR and I will order a A3000 to replace the E3000.

..But on a side note the dedicated source option on the remote and the xcross media bar are great improvments over my other Sony TV products.

Have a good one guys and gals

What exactly did you not like about it? What DVD player are you using? That has more to do with the PQ than anything. Does the HD look as sharp or sharper than your A2020? Have you calibrated the TV? Do you use cable or satellite?
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I have Cox HD cable coming in at 1080I with a Scientific Atlanta explorer 8300HD DVR in the bedroom and the living room. If we are watching Cox HD and the scene is dark the picture looks pretty sharp, but not A2020 sharp. The lighter scenes are what realy look bad, and I have tested this with the cable, Blu and a Sony upconverting dvd player (hdmi) all have snow or grain in the lighter scenes and it does not matter what source is used.

I went so far as to pull the KDF-42E2000 out of the stepsons room and it still has a better picture at 720P, than the E3000 does at 1080I. I spent the better part of yesterday on adjustments and nothing seemed to work with the light scenes looking bad..and no I did not/will not have this calibrated. I do not know if it's an issue with just this set or an overall flaw in the new model...just don't know.
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dvtrail

Did the set look good in the store? Why did you buy it in the first place? Did it look good in the store?
post #17 of 465
I purchased the unit sight unseen, we have the model this one has replaced KDF-42E2000 and it's been a good little tv. I had a 42" Panny TH42PX75U plasma and my wife hated the tv and it's remote, so I made a call and Ultimate Electronics gave me the 1st
E3000 in stock. I am wanting the Sony A3000 and this works out great, plus if it has a picture as good or better than the A2020 then I will be happy...and my wife will know how to use the remote.
post #18 of 465
I looked at the 50" at circuit city. It was next to the 50 A2020 and it looked just as good in my opinion.

So I ordered one and it will be delivered on thursday. I'll let you guys know how I like it.
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I made a trip to Ultimate Electronics last night and looked at the E3000 on display.I wanted to find out if it has the same picture quality as my unit. The unit on display looked great and I had them run a dvd source to it and it looked good as well. I think it is just an issue with my unit, and I did not want to post the board stating the E3000 did not look good, if in fact it was just my unit and not the model as a whole.

I replaced it last night with a 50" A3000 it's do in on the 10th of September.They told me to just keep the tv until the new unit comes in on the 10th, that in my opinion is customer service.

NWRSX, congrats on the new E3000 and enjoy
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Yea I went back to BB to make sure that I wasn't just seeing a bad A2020 or something. My local BB has completely remodeled the store and placed all new TVs on the floor. I compared the A2020, E3000, and the oh so Beautiful A3000. I finally figured out why I didn't like the A2020. It just does too much noise reduction. That is why it is not sharp. The remote was there so I turned all of the ND off and it still didn't help.

The E3000 simply looks like the A2020 but it handles the overly noisy BB feed much better. It remained sharp but still eliminated most of the compression artifacts that the Samsung TVs display so vibrantly.

Then I spotted the A3000! Man that is the Tv to get. It was sharp, It had great colors after a quick eye sight calibration, it has ZERO SD, and I didn't see any problems with fast motion.

I would say go for the A3000 unless you just can't afford it. If money is the problem then the E3000 is your choice. At $1500 it is an absolute steal. The funny thing was that the 46" E3000 was right next to it for about $50 more. They would sell you the 50" for less than the 46". Go figure.

Anyway, all of the these new Sony's are worth the price of admission. I also saw the 73 Mitsu! That thing is a beast and it looked great!
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Remember that things like noise reduction can be adjusted or completely shut off. All of these (A2020, A3000, E2000, E3000) will look A LOT better when properly adjusted with a high qualify feed than when they are in the store.
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Well I also bought the 46" model sight unseen. I got it deliverd to my house and hooked it up. The colors and brightness needed some adjusting, but now the PQ looks good.

BUT ... I only hooked it to the Xbox360 dashboard to adjust. The next day, when I started to play games, I noticed the bottom and top of the screen were cut off. Then I loaded another game, same deal. The settings were 1080i (no 1080p over component). So I then hook up the cable and make a direct comparison with my older 720p Sony model. The channels are also slightly cut off on the tops and bottoms. Same with the PC input. DVDs are harder to tell, as I don't have one hooked up to the older Sony yet.

Overall, I believe there is a defect with this TV. Did Sony load the 50" program to the 46" TV I have by accident? That would explain the slight cutoff on the edges. I'll call Sony to discuss on Tuesday.
post #23 of 465
Seems like not too many people are interested in this TV. The $500 price difference between this and the KDS-50A3000 was a big factor for me.

I have a KDF-E50A10 right now, and have never thought that the picture looked blurry during fast moving sequences. So I figured I didn't need the 120hz.

I will just apply my savings to the next TV. I tend to upgrade every 2 years.

From what I could tell at the Circuit City, it looks like a fine TV.
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The only reason I bought this TV as opposed to a much nicer, compact looking, larger DLP 1080p HDTV is because this is the absolute largest TV that can fit in my furniture cabinet. Otherwise I would have bought another one.

What a pain that I have this problem. I wonder if a Sony tech will come out to see the problem, or if I'll have to ship the unit back, or if there is a possibility of a firmware upgrade.
post #25 of 465
I hope I won't have the same issue. I will be using HDMI though and not component. I don't know if that will make any differnce.
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Originally Posted by Dinomon View Post

Official SONY BRAVIA® E-series 3LCD Rear Projection HDTV Owner's Thread

Seems like time to start this thread as Sony has released the new
E3000 Series

Here's the C-NET Review

Do you like your E3000? Since you started the "owners thread".
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Originally Posted by nwrsx View Post

I hope I won't have the same issue. I will be using HDMI though and not component. I don't know if that will make any differnce.

I used HDMI for my PC connection (DVI->HDMI) and had the overscan issue. I initially thought it was the drivers of the PC.

When I first bought the TV, I was building a new PC so I was concentrating on that instead. I turned the HDTV on and turned on the X360 to the dashboard, to make sure the TV turned on ok and there were no glaring problems. On the dashboard, it's always zoomed out, so even with this overscan issue, I didn't notice it at first because I could still see all the text and stuff on screen.

Then my brother played some 360 and played the original Doom. The character's face was cut off on the bottom, and I thought that was wierd. Then I tried more games, and it seems that the whole screen is slightly overscanned. The same thing happens with the cable. I turned on my older 42" LCD projection Sony and this new one, to the same exact channels specifically with static icons like ESPN. The 46E3000 still cut them off slightly. I never had this problem with my older Sony.

I'm about to call Sony tech service, so I'll update on what happens.

EDIT UPDATE: Just called them. The rep said to (1) turn the TV off and unplug it for about 10 minutes, and to (2) run auto scan for the channels again. Before doing either of them, I can tell they won't help the problem, as neither relate to it.

I also asked the rep if there have been other problems or complaints with this TV from other buyers, and she said there have been none on record at Sony thus far. I'll try them anyway when I get home, but looks like I'll be moving onward to a replacement TV or a tech coming out to look at it.
post #28 of 465
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Originally Posted by CyberCT View Post

Well I also bought the 46" model sight unseen. I got it deliverd to my house and hooked it up. The colors and brightness needed some adjusting, but now the PQ looks good.

BUT ... I only hooked it to the Xbox360 dashboard to adjust. The next day, when I started to play games, I noticed the bottom and top of the screen were cut off. Then I loaded another game, same deal. The settings were 1080i (no 1080p over component). So I then hook up the cable and make a direct comparison with my older 720p Sony model. The channels are also slightly cut off on the tops and bottoms. Same with the PC input. DVDs are harder to tell, as I don't have one hooked up to the older Sony yet.

Overall, I believe there is a defect with this TV. Did Sony load the 50" program to the 46" TV I have by accident? That would explain the slight cutoff on the edges. I'll call Sony to discuss on Tuesday.

Every rear projection TV has overscan on all sides. They do this intentionally. The only question is "how much" and "is it balanced". On my A2000, there is some user level adjustment and, using a test pattern, saw that the overscan was about 2.5% and used the adjustment to insure that it was even all the way around.

See if your TV has such an adjustment and find a proper test pattern to use. If it is way off, there's usually further adjustments in the service menu's, but those are best left to a service technician to adjust.
post #29 of 465
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Originally Posted by Jay_Davis View Post

Remember that things like noise reduction can be adjusted or completely shut off. All of these (A2020, A3000, E2000, E3000) will look A LOT better when properly adjusted with a high qualify feed than when they are in the store.

Yea I actually went in and adjusted each one of the TVs. I calibrated them by sight, I didn't have DVE with me). I turned on and off all of the settings like noise reduction, black corrector, color corrector, sharpness..etc. I could not get the A2020 to be acceptable in terms of sharpness. I was able to get the E3000 acceptable in sharpness with no adjustment at all(Color was a different story). The A3000 took some adjustment also. However, it was simply amazing after a quick eye sight calibration. A good ISF calibration would make that thing really shine!

If you are on a strict budget and you can not use anymore than 50 I think the E3000 is your BEST choice. Otherwise the A3000 is the TV to have.
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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd View Post

Yea I actually went in and adjusted each one of the TVs. I calibrated them by sight, I didn't have DVE with me). I turned on and off all of the settings like noise reduction, black corrector, color corrector, sharpness..etc. I could not get the A2020 to be acceptable in terms of sharpness. I was able to get the E3000 acceptable in sharpness with no adjustment at all(Color was a different story). The A3000 took some adjustment also. However, it was simply amazing after a quick eye sight calibration. A good ISF calibration would make that thing really shine!

If you are on a strict budget and you can not use anymore than 50 I think the E3000 is your BEST choice. Otherwise the A3000 is the TV to have.

So after all of this E3000 cheer-leading are you an E3000 owner or what?
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