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post #151 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by inthepit View Post

I think only the LED 89S's are 1.3

That stinks. I thought that would at least be 1 advantage the 76S has over the 87S.

Here's why I thought the 76S had HDMI 1.3.
post #152 of 1965
The 5676s does have HDMI 1.3 look at the owners manual on line about hdmi hookups it says something about it there.I have this model and i love it
post #153 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonaltima View Post

The 5676s does have HDMI 1.3 look at the owners manual on line about hdmi hookups it says something about it there.I have this model and i love it

Great, thanks for confirming. Good to know there's at least 1 satisfied owner.
post #154 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

Should have guessed that since I have never heard of these adjustments being available in a dlp unit.

yeah the slimfit is a crt but I figured that even a dlp would have some adjustments that could be used cus it's like a mini projector so there should be no reason that it can't be done unless they simply don't include options to do it.
post #155 of 1965
I've been reading this thread as well as the HL-Txx87-89S for some awhile & it's time to make a decision & I need some owner advise.
1st, this set will be used in a Great Room with lots of ambient light. My candidates are the Samsung HL-S5087W, HL-T5087S, HL-T5076S & Sony KDS-50A2020. I believe the only difference between the HL-S5087W & HL-T5076S is the HL-T5076S is slimmer. The HL-T5087S is LED & reading that thread has me concerned about its quality. The Sony KDS-50A2020 looks a little flat compared to the HL-S2087W I saw at BB. Pricewise the HL-T5087S (LED) is a little cheaper but can only be found on the internet.
So, all recommendations are welcome.
post #156 of 1965
Any recommendations on picture settings?

I received this model in exchange for a HL-S5687 that had a noisy color wheel but an amazing picture. So far, the quality of the HL-T5676 picture is disappointing. Hopefully, after adjusting the many picture settings it will be much better.

Lots of new ones: Dynamic black, dynamic contrast, gamma, white balance??
post #157 of 1965
go with the HLS,its prob $400-500 less (or more)
post #158 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by DERG View Post

I've been reading this thread as well as the HL-Txx87-89S for some awhile & it's time to make a decision & I need some owner advise.
1st, this set will be used in a Great Room with lots of ambient light. My candidates are the Samsung HL-S5087W, HL-T5087S, HL-T5076S & Sony KDS-50A2020. I believe the only difference between the HL-S5087W & HL-T5076S is the HL-T5076S is slimmer. The HL-T5087S is LED & reading that thread has me concerned about its quality. The Sony KDS-50A2020 looks a little flat compared to the HL-S2087W I saw at BB. Pricewise the HL-T5087S (LED) is a little cheaper but can only be found on the internet.
So, all recommendations are welcome.

if im not mistaken the HL-T5087S is hdmi 1.2 the HL-T5076S is hdmi 1.3
post #159 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by SRhino View Post

Any recommendations on picture settings?

I received this model in exchange for a HL-S5687 that had a noisy color wheel but an amazing picture. So far, the quality of the HL-T5676 picture is disappointing. Hopefully, after adjusting the many picture settings it will be much better.

Lots of new ones: Dynamic black, dynamic contrast, gamma, white balance??

in most samsung reviews I have seen the movie setting is usually the best setting. I would stick in the incredibles if you have it then use the thx video tests to adjust the image settings one preset at a time. I will be more effective with image quality settings when I get the tv and adjust them, I will post em up when I am done.
post #160 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by OniMirage View Post

if im not mistaken the HL-T5087S is hdmi 1.2 the HL-T5076S is hdmi 1.3

I believe they're both HDMI 1.2 which is compatable with 1080P.
Here's a look @ the HL-T5076S specs;
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...076s_final.pdf

It reads...
Connections
3 HDMI inputs (High Definition Multimedia
Interface) with 480p/720i/720p/1080i/1080p input
support

... but fails to mention if it's 24P or 60P or both.
In the HL-T5089S .pdf spec sheet it emphasizes HDMI 1.3.
Anyway, I don't own a PlayStation 3 which HDMI 1.3 support would be a plus, so, HDMI 1.2 suits me fine.
HTH
post #161 of 1965
Hey all,

I'm a new member and this is my first post but have been reading for a while.

I just bought a hl-t6176s today at CC. They matched the amazon price so it was good enough for me. I am picking it up tomorrow. I am a little concerned with all the issues I have been reading about so I will post the results when I fire it up.

Are there any settings or calibrations I can do myself to optimiaze pq?

I am parting with my hitachi 57f10s (going to my sister).

thanks,
post #162 of 1965
i am gonna stop by fry's real quick and ask them or ask for the owners manual to see if it really is hdmi 1.3
post #163 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by OniMirage View Post

i am gonna stop by fry's real quick and ask them or ask for the owners manual to see if it really is hdmi 1.3

I looked on the tV when I was in today but could not see anything as to the hdmi version. I said screw it,I got one.
post #164 of 1965
fry's says: we have them on display, ...we are pretty sure they are 1.2 cus only the top of the line led dlp's have 1.3 and we don't carry those, we don't display the manuals.

ultimate electronics says: we don't think we carry them, oh wait we do they should be 1.2, no we can't open a box to get the manual.

best buy says: I guess we don't carry them, ... do you know if we carry them? ... no? ... ok no we don't carry them they are 1.2.

so there you have it ... no difinitive answer yet again from unsure reps what a waste of gas.
post #165 of 1965
when I get mine tomorrow and open it up, I will see if I can tell what it has. hopefully all goes well as I feel after reading all the stuff on here i am taking a chance.

p.s. still interested in the calibration stuff from my earlier post if anybody knows anything.
post #166 of 1965
so I dug this up, http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av...79902-8,00.htm

aparently they are non hdmi 1.3 so we are gonna be stuck with 1.2. With the price of these units being much lower than other tv's of similar calibur it won't matter much since you could just upgrade in a couple years when there are devices that use it to its full potential.
post #167 of 1965
They also refer to hl "s"-6176. Is that a typo or what?
post #168 of 1965
just a reminder site source wikipedia.

HDMI 1.0
Released December 2002.

Single-cable digital audio/video connection with a maximum bitrate of 4.9 Gbit/s. Supports up to 165Mpixels/s video (1080p60 Hz or UXGA) and 8-channel/192 kHz/24-bit audio.

[edit] HDMI 1.1
Released May 2004.

Added support for DVD Audio.

[edit] HDMI 1.2
Released August 2005.

Added support for One Bit Audio, used on Super Audio CDs, up to 8 channels.
Availability of HDMI Type A connector for PC sources.
Ability for PC sources to use native RGB color-space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space.
Requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support low-voltage sources.

[edit] HDMI 1.2a
Released December 2005.

Fully specifies Consumer Electronic Control (CEC) features, command sets, and CEC compliance tests.

[edit] HDMI 1.3
Released 22 June 2006.[7] [8]

Increases single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbit/s)
Optionally supports 30-bit, 36-bit, and 48-bit xvYCC with Deep Color or over one billion colors, up from 24-bit sRGB or YCbCr in previous versions.
Incorporates automatic audio syncing (lip sync) capability.
Supports output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams for external decoding by AV receivers.[9] TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless audio codec formats used on HD DVDs and Blu-ray Discs. If the disc player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, then HDMI 1.3 is not necessary, as all versions of HDMI can transport uncompressed audio.
Availability of a new mini connector for devices such as camcorders.[10]

[edit] HDMI 1.3a
Released 10 November 2006.[11]

Cable and Sink modifications for Type C
Source termination recommendation
Removed undershoot and maximum rise/fall time limits.
CEC capacitance limits changed
RGB video quantization range clarification
CEC commands for timer control brought back in an altered form, audio control commands added.
Concurrently released compliance test specification included.

[edit] HDMI 1.3b
Testing specification released 26 March 2007.
post #169 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breathing Borla View Post

They also refer to hl "s"-6176. Is that a typo or what?

i noticed that too while I was reading it again, confusion
post #170 of 1965
Aight so I can get the hlt5676s, a 2 year warranty, and the stand for $2300 at BrandsMart. I saw the hlt5676s on display and the PQ was great as expected. It was on "shop mode" so the guy could not pull up any menus so I could see any noticeable "bowing" as you guys say. Now im real worried.

I cannot find the hls5687w even at the major retailers like CC and BB. all discontinued. Amazon is charging the same as I can get the hlt5676s for these days.

Any suggestions?

I have a question. Have any of you guys with bowing issues actually purchased your tv from inside the store and brought it home? Because I thought the whole "bowing" issue was due to shipping.

Man this is gonna be difficult. I don't know what I am going to do if I can't et a 1080p samsung dlp...I mean its all I want.
post #171 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey Cusack View Post

Aight so I can get the hlt5676s, a 2 year warranty, and the stand for $2300 at BrandsMart. I saw the hlt5676s on display and the PQ was great as expected. It was on "shop mode" so the guy could not pull up any menus so I could see any noticeable "bowing" as you guys say. Now im real worried.

I cannot find the hls5687w even at the major retailers like CC and BB. all discontinued. Amazon is charging the same as I can get the hlt5676s for these days.

Any suggestions?

I have a question. Have any of you guys with bowing issues actually purchased your tv from inside the store and brought it home? Because I thought the whole "bowing" issue was due to shipping.

Man this is gonna be difficult. I don't know what I am going to do if I can't et a 1080p samsung dlp...I mean its all I want.

the display I saw at fry's didn't have any noticable bowing issues and I was able to pull up the menu as it wasn't locked down. They actually had it next to the newer led models and other than the led models having a slightly oversaturated look they were identical in detail. They had that Discovery Atlas 'China' Blu Ray disk playing and with all the green in the picture it was easy to see the led's oversaturated output using default settings.
post #172 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey Cusack View Post

Aight so I can get the hlt5676s, a 2 year warranty, and the stand for $2300 at BrandsMart. I saw the hlt5676s on display and the PQ was great as expected. It was on "shop mode" so the guy could not pull up any menus so I could see any noticeable "bowing" as you guys say. Now im real worried.

I cannot find the hls5687w even at the major retailers like CC and BB. all discontinued. Amazon is charging the same as I can get the hlt5676s for these days.

I have a question. Have any of you guys with bowing issues actually purchased your tv from inside the store and brought it home? Because I thought the whole "bowing" issue was due to shipping.

Man this is gonna be difficult. I don't know what I am going to do if I can't et a 1080p samsung dlp...I mean its all I want.

I brought mine home twice. Strapped nicely to the inside of my truck with nothing on top of the box. It might be a shipping issue where when TV's are stacked up on top of each other, the TV's tops are so flexible that the screen will hold a bowed position for whatever amount of time the truck is in transit. As well as how they are stacked at the store. When you get home with it...bowing is there. Unless your TV was the one on top on the truck and the one on top at the store, your most likely will have some sort of bowing. I think I might purchase another after the 2 I've already went through and just demand a new screen.

As for the $2300 price. CC had it on sale for father's day for $1599, and if you purchase a Samsung with a Mastercard you get an extra year of warranty. I say screw the third year and get it for $1599. They are able to do it.

Good luck though. I hope someone comes up with a fix to this bowing issue...
post #173 of 1965
Question why all the fuss with the bowing in the menu - hardly use the menus at all.

I have the 61 incher dlp hlt and I kinda like the bowing I hardly notice it when watching movies but the bowing at the bottom of the black lines gives it a cinemascope affect.
post #174 of 1965
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Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

Question why all the fuss with the bowing in the menu - hardly use the menus at all.

I have the 61 incher dlp hlt and I kinda like the bowing I hardly notice it when watching movies but the bowing at the bottom of the black lines gives it a cinemascope affect.

It's not just with the service menu. It's with widescreen, and it moves half way up the screen. If I have words on the left side of the screen they slant upwards, if they are on the right they slope upwards tot he right. The bottom right part of the screen is 1/4" higher than on the left. Is that a cinemascope affect? You pay $1800 for a television, you want it to be geometrically sound. Samsung should figure that out before they start tinkering with creating "Dynamic Iris" settings and other BS settings that really don't matter much when compared to a bowed picture. If there is any straight line in the movie, game or whatever...it's noticeable, especially after you already detected it.
post #175 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by beowulf7 View Post

That stinks. I thought that would at least be 1 advantage the 76S has over the 87S.

Here's why I thought the 76S had HDMI 1.3.


I own the 61 incher and it is hdmi 1.3

Here this is from my owners manual

Connecting a DVD Player/Set-Top Box via HDMI
This connection can only be made if there is an HDMI Output jack on the external device.
1 Connect an HDMI Cable between
the HDMI IN 1 (or HDMI IN 2) on
the TV and the HDMI OUT jack on
the DVD Player/Set-Top Box.
What is HDMI?
● HDMI, or high-definition multimedia interface, is a next-generation interface that enables the transmission of digital audio and video
signals using a single cable.
● Multimedia interface is a more accurate name for it especially because it allows multiple channels of digital audio (5.1 channels).
The difference between HDMI and DVI is that the HDMI device is smaller in size, has the HDCP (High Bandwidth Digital Copy
Protection) coding feature installed, and supports multi-channel digital audio.
➢ Each DVD Player/Set-top box has a different side panel configuration.
➢ When connecting a DVD Player/Set-top box, match the color of the connection terminal to the cable.
➢ When connecting via HDMI, you do not need to connect Audio Cables. You only need to connect Audio cables when connecting
via HDMI/DVI.
The external devices that support lower versioned HDMI mode may not implement sound output for the TV with the latest HDMI
version (HDMI 1.3).
In this case, connect to HDMI3/DVI IN and DVI IN [R-AUDIO-L] on the side panel of the TV.
➢ Part of lower versioned HDMI cables may cause annoying flickers or no screen display.
In this case use the cable that supports the latest HDMI version (HDMI 1.3).
TV Side Panel
DVD Player/Set-Top Box
Audio Cable(Not supplied) 2
HDMI/DVI Cable(Not supplied) 1
HDMI Cable(Not supplied) 1
DVD Player/
Set-Top Box
TV Side Panel
English - 15
post #176 of 1965
Connecting a DVD Player/Set-Top Box via HDMI
This connection can only be made if there is an HDMI Output jack on the external device.
1 Connect an HDMI Cable between
the HDMI IN 1 (or HDMI IN 2) on
the TV and the HDMI OUT jack on
the DVD Player/Set-Top Box.
What is HDMI?
● HDMI, or high-definition multimedia interface, is a next-generation interface that enables the transmission of digital audio and video
signals using a single cable.
● Multimedia interface is a more accurate name for it especially because it allows multiple channels of digital audio (5.1 channels).
The difference between HDMI and DVI is that the HDMI device is smaller in size, has the HDCP (High Bandwidth Digital Copy
Protection) coding feature installed, and supports multi-channel digital audio.
➢ Each DVD Player/Set-top box has a different side panel configuration.
➢ When connecting a DVD Player/Set-top box, match the color of the connection terminal to the cable.
➢ When connecting via HDMI, you do not need to connect Audio Cables. You only need to connect Audio cables when connecting
via HDMI/DVI.
➢ The external devices that support lower versioned HDMI mode may not implement sound output for the TV with the latest HDMI
version (HDMI 1.3).
In this case, connect to HDMI3/DVI IN and DVI IN [R-AUDIO-L] on the side panel of the TV.
➢ Part of lower versioned HDMI cables may cause annoying flickers or no screen display.
In this case use the cable that supports the latest HDMI version (HDMI 1.3).
TV Side Panel
DVD Player/Set-Top Box
Audio Cable(Not supplied) 2
HDMI/DVI Cable(Not supplied) 1
HDMI Cable(Not supplied) 1
DVD Player/
Set-Top Box
TV Side Panel
English - 15
post #177 of 1965
wow see I knew those asses at the store didn't know wtf they were talking about
post #178 of 1965
What terrible news this is!! I don't know what to do now! This "bowing" sounds waaaaaay worse than previously stated yo!

Is there any other tv type that I could buy that can compare to the samsung DLPs (besides plasmas and CRTs) ?

Is the sharp aquos any good?
post #179 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by OniMirage View Post

fry's says: we have them on display, ...we are pretty sure they are 1.2 cus only the top of the line led dlp's have 1.3 and we don't carry those, we don't display the manuals.

ultimate electronics says: we don't think we carry them, oh wait we do they should be 1.2, no we can't open a box to get the manual.

best buy says: I guess we don't carry them, ... do you know if we carry them? ... no? ... ok no we don't carry them they are 1.2.

so there you have it ... no difinitive answer yet again from unsure reps what a waste of gas.

That sounds frustrating, but thanks for checking. Could a (registered?) owner call Samsung tech support and ask one of their engineers to confirm the HDMI ver.? TIA.
post #180 of 1965
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

I own the 61 incher and it is hdmi 1.3

Here this is from my owners manual

Connecting a DVD Player/Set-Top Box via HDMI
This connection can only be made if there is an HDMI Output jack on the external device.
1 Connect an HDMI Cable between
the HDMI IN 1 (or HDMI IN 2) on
the TV and the HDMI OUT jack on
the DVD Player/Set-Top Box.
What is HDMI?
● HDMI, or high-definition multimedia interface, is a next-generation interface that enables the transmission of digital audio and video
signals using a single cable.
● Multimedia interface is a more accurate name for it especially because it allows multiple channels of digital audio (5.1 channels).
The difference between HDMI and DVI is that the HDMI device is smaller in size, has the HDCP (High Bandwidth Digital Copy
Protection) coding feature installed, and supports multi-channel digital audio.
➢ Each DVD Player/Set-top box has a different side panel configuration.
➢ When connecting a DVD Player/Set-top box, match the color of the connection terminal to the cable.
➢ When connecting via HDMI, you do not need to connect Audio Cables. You only need to connect Audio cables when connecting
via HDMI/DVI.
The external devices that support lower versioned HDMI mode may not implement sound output for the TV with the latest HDMI
version (HDMI 1.3).
In this case, connect to HDMI3/DVI IN and DVI IN [R-AUDIO-L] on the side panel of the TV.
➢ Part of lower versioned HDMI cables may cause annoying flickers or no screen display.
In this case use the cable that supports the latest HDMI version (HDMI 1.3).
TV Side Panel
DVD Player/Set-Top Box
Audio Cable(Not supplied) 2
HDMI/DVI Cable(Not supplied) 1
HDMI Cable(Not supplied) 1
DVD Player/
Set-Top Box
TV Side Panel
English - 15

Excellent. Thanks for confirming!
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