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post #1951 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Rudiepoo1 View Post

Tawaun....thanks for all the feedback. Was there any positioning issues with initially setting up the F2.2's being that their separate stackable cabinets. I just came across pictures that showed the non-stacked individual cabinets and it looks like there's no way for any type of innerlocking once their stacked. Was just curious how the tops or bottoms would not get scratched at all.

No,the F2.2 or the F1.1 do not interlock,but the feet has a rubber surround that does a solid job without scaring up the finish,the F5's are the only 1's that interlock.
post #1952 of 3844
.....as for positioning the F2.2's have the Dyne style drivers which have a lot of midbass energy and are rear ported,positoning will be the key to get the most balance sound from them,while the F5 although they have huge 15 inch drivers are front ported and they are flat all the way thru their frequency response,except for their size are easier to intergrate inot a room,alot of research went into the F5 and it shows in their stupendous performance on all parameters.If you are considering the F2.2's or the F1.1,consider the F5 custom midrange and bass drivers that are pretty amazing,for a super speaker they are pretty forgiving,to me they are the best value in highend speakers that can compete with any speaker,no matter the cost.
post #1953 of 3844
sorry if this was answered, but i didn't see it.

who designs the SWANS ?
post #1954 of 3844
Frank Hale has had his hand in a lot of the Swan Designs.
post #1955 of 3844
^^^ Frank Hale, was also the founder of Swan Speakers.

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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

The RM 300,600 and M3 & M6 will be very special,cant wait to get my hands on them.

Come on out and audition the M6's

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Originally Posted by Rudiepoo1 View Post

The problem i had was where i got mine from,none of the colors were the same,

Not the case on this setup. They all match as you can see from the pics.
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post #1956 of 3844
[quote=Cleveland Plasma;15980717]^^^ Frank Hale, was also the founder of Swan Speakers.


Come on out and audition the M6's

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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

Not the case on this setup. They all match as you can see from the pics.

Sorry im no longer in Ohio im in Denver Colorado now,thanks but i will have access to them very shortly.
post #1957 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

give me 1.5 hours, battery's just died. LOL you act like I have swans whole line here



Did I miss the pics?
post #1958 of 3844
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Originally Posted by sac8d4 View Post

Frank Hale has had his hand in a lot of the Swan Designs.

ok. who is frank hale ? never heard of him. did he work for another speaker co. ?

just wondering.

does anyone have pics of the drivers removed from the cabinets ?

anyone know how thick the veneer is on the rosewood ?

tia
post #1959 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

sorry if this was answered, but i didn't see it.

who designs the SWANS ?

Given their size, Swans (HiVi) has a substantial R&D staff and facility in Asia, including what's one of the larger labs and anechoic chambers in their part of the world. Most designs of their international Swan-branded product are their own.

As noted, Frank Hale -- who's located in Eastern Canada and whose Toronto company Swans acquired years ago -- has filled a number of R&D needs for the company. In fact, Frank and I spoke just last week about some cooperative projects we hope to start this year.

I'm also specifying original Swan designs just for TAI. Some of the product we already import into North America includes the benefits of design work we've accomplished jointly with Swans.
post #1960 of 3844
Frank Hale was the Original President of Swan Speaker Systems(and now chief designer) In 1997, HiVi merged with Swans Speaker Systems and opened corporate offices in Monterey Park, California.

Depending on which drivers you are speakeing of, pics can be found at http://www.swanspeaker.com/drivers/index.asp

I dont know the exact dimension of the veneer, however I'd imagine it to be standard thickness of a veneer in the speaker industry.

Depending on what you are looking for here is a shot of speaker removed from the enclosure

post #1961 of 3844
did you take that out just for me ? i don't think so, just askin.

sure does look like that x-over is coming apart.

how about a pic of the back side on the driver.


what is the warranty on these ? ship the speaker back, or just the driver/whatever ?


yeah, i have a lot of questions. but i am figuring my next speakers will be my last. current speakers are 20ish years old, and work fine. i'm figurin i will be lucky to be alive 20 years from now.
post #1962 of 3844
Fab,

No, This is a pic somebody posted earlier in this thread I think...

Here is a few pics of the alloy cones, for all intents and purposes the pics are of the 8" woofer.

http://www.swanspeaker.com/product/htm/view.asp?id=81

I must say that speaker had to really be beat up in shipping. The swan speakers are packed exceptionally well, they are double boxed with hard foam inserts inside each box, there are quite a few pics in this thread reflecting this.
post #1963 of 3844
ok, thanx. i'l scan this thread.
post #1964 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Steve Ozmai View Post

mtrot,

Thanks for the question. As you can imagine - this is one we get quite often. First - with respect to the sonic matching - the X.1 and X.2 Diva series have not been timbre matched. Though the voicing is similar, there is not a perfect sonic match between these lines. All timbre matching in the Diva series is done within each product category. In other words - all X.1 series are matched to each other - as are all X.2 series. Thus, when designing a X.1 or X.2 system, you can choose from any range of components within the line...though we do not recommend mixing between the two. In real world testing, the difference between something like the 6.1 and a X.2 series center channel is minimal and, in some cases, inaudible. That said, it is not a perfect match on paper - so our recommendation is to stay within the lines when building your system.

Second - with respect to the 6.1 vs. 6.2 question - this is another VERY common topic. Unfortunately for us...or should I say fortunately for you...Swans really outdid themselves on the 6.1. This is a speaker that almost single handedly redefined the high-end audio industry (as one of the first ID loudspeakers). Some of you might remember our "attention grabbing" unveiling of the Diva 6.1 (and the rest of the Diva line) at CES several years ago. To prove a point, we put this speaker side by side with the B&W Nautlius 802 (an incredible, and ridiculously expensive, loudspeaker) and made a staff of reviewers guess which they were hearing. Let's just say there were more than a few egos shattered over that particular weekend (and some interesting legal developments a few years later from a certain high-end speaker manufacturer).

One of the 6.1's biggest strengths is its ability to remain detailed, articulate, and balanced over a very wide power range. From whispers to wall-shaking explosions, the 6.1 presents a remarkable level of detail without ever overpowering the listener. Many speakers that offer this type of performance will cause fatigue after 20-30 minutes in front of the speakerthe 6.1 is the exact opposite. In fact, we've had several experiences with and feedback from our customers that have no idea how loud the speakers are actually playing until they leave the roomand, in some cases, the house. When they can still hear the output from 60 yards down the street, but don't have listener fatigue while actually in the room, it's always an eye opening experience. This ability is in large part due to drivers used in the 6.1. Dual magnesium alloy bass woofers (8"), Kevlar midrange (6"), and silk dome tweeter. These components are able to accommodate a very wide power band without a significant shift in frequency response (thus you won't lose bass response at low volume or detail at high volume).

Where the 6.1 is a heavyweight knock-your-socks-off beast, the 6.2 is a much more refined and controlled monster (by no means a small speaker). The 6.2 is the evolution of the Diva category designed to offer reference level performance in any format (from high-rez music to Pro Logic DVD's). While the X.2 series shares the Diva name, it's really a new category all together. The X.2 line shares many of the driver configurations seen in the X.1 line, but that's really where the similarities end. The differences start with a beautifully redesigned bentwood cabinetwhich really has to be seen to appreciate. Building on the X.1 technology, the cabinet in the X.2 line is designed to eliminate any and all parallel surfaces - thus reducing standing waves inside the cabinet and improving the overall accuracy, time alignment, and soundstage of the speaker. All drivers utilize new long-throw linear suspensions with polypropylene cones. Though not quite as rigid as the metal cones used in the X.1 series, the X.2 drivers offer a more refined and detailed response with significantly improved off-axis response. Last, but definitely not least, all X.2 loudspeakers use truly state-of-the-art crossovers (Swans doesn't believe in charging more to build crossovers right the first time). The X.2 crossovers utilize the best components available in the Swans inventory - and are voiced specifically with the X.2 series drivers to maximize off-axis response and deliver unprecedented 2-channel imaging. For all of these reasons, many of our customers find that the X.2 series offers a bit better overall performance for most music formats. Because most home theater formats don't heavily rely on imaging to recreate the desired effect (since there's a speaker where an image would be created in a 2 channel system), the 6.1's additional lower mid-bass punch and visceral effect (you FEEL the 6.1) make it the speaker of choice for HT. In most cases, I recommend the 6.1 for a 30/70 music/HT system and the 6.2 in a 70/30 music/HT system.

Sorry for the long post - hope that helps answer the question!

i want to bump this.
post #1965 of 3844
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Originally Posted by sac8d4 View Post

Frank Hale was the Original President of Swan Speaker Systems(and now chief designer) In 1997, HiVi merged with Swans Speaker Systems and opened corporate offices in Monterey Park, California.

I agree with you there.

We meet Frank in the past, what a wonderful person. Any questions one may have he will take the time to give a person a full answer. He did say that he helps with the design on some speakers and there are other lines that he is the sole designer. Either way he is still in deep at Swan/HiVi. The current owner of Swan/HiVi is Harris Yao.
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post #1966 of 3844
well. i SURE HOPE these speakers are as nice as everyone says they are. and sound as nice as they look.
post #1967 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

well. i SURE HOPE these speakers are as nice as everyone says they are. and sound as nice as they look.

Thanks for that bump above. That has to be one of the most elaborate comparisons between the two lines that I've come acrosss and very insightful.
post #1968 of 3844
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Originally Posted by shine5555 View Post

Did I miss the pics?

Nope just a long battery charge LOL

The Swan RM600 Mains



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post #1969 of 3844
yeah, i skimmed this whole thread looking for pics. and read some of it, took hours. i just happened to see that.

i will advise anyone that is serious about buying swans, to do the same.

one thing that dismayed me, was the x-over. looked kinda cheap.
post #1970 of 3844
Those RM600 Mains look quite nice! Reminds me of the Dali look...
post #1971 of 3844
Swans lines are very afforable too.
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post #1972 of 3844
I've got a pair of 5.1s with the C3, and I know this may be heresy, but anyways: I need some surrounds to round out my set, but I'm not wed to the swans... As I said, heresy, right?

Any recommendations? Can't do in wall, but will wall mount - was thinking of the Emotiva surrounds, but not crazy about their appearance either.
post #1973 of 3844
R3 is your only wall-mount Diva x.1 option... 4.2R and 5.2R are options from the x.2 line. Emotivas would be a good choice. If you're looking for something in white, there are some good deals on Polk FXi3s on eBay under $200/pr shipped. If you'd like an inexpensive bookshelf that's easily wall-mountable and matches the overall Swan aesthetic, NewEgg has the Polk TSi100 for $150/pr in Cherry with piano-black top-cap. I bounced back-and-forth on all the less expensive surround options about 2 months back and ended up with some Sonance in-walls, but the above are the on-wall options I considered.
post #1974 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

yeah, i skimmed this whole thread looking for pics. and read some of it, took hours. i just happened to see that.

i will advise anyone that is serious about buying swans, to do the same.

one thing that dismayed me, was the x-over. looked kinda cheap.

Fabricator:

Just noticed your from Chicago also.

Rudiepoo1 is meeting up with me on Thursday audition my Diva 6.1s. If you want to drop by your welcome too.

Just a warning that I am no audiophile nor do I own audiophile equipment. I just have the 6.1s and C3 center, Marantz 7002 reciever, and PS3.

Drop me a PM if your interested.
post #1975 of 3844
ok Chris,

I'll bite how much do the RM600s run?

PM with the price if you would...
post #1976 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Speqtre View Post

I've got a pair of 5.1s with the C3, and I know this may be heresy, but anyways: I need some surrounds to round out my set, but I'm not wed to the swans... As I said, heresy, right?

Any recommendations? Can't do in wall, but will wall mount - was thinking of the Emotiva surrounds, but not crazy about their appearance either.

I thought about buying cheaper Surrounds for a while then just bit the bullet and bought some 2.1s. I was gonna do R3s but in my dorm room there was no real way to use them. That and they all match now :-D

Its gonna be crazy in a week or 2 when I get my speakers. I'm gonna go from tv speakers (Never had anything more) to Swan 6.1s, C3, and 2.1s all run by my Onkyo 805
post #1977 of 3844
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Originally Posted by MasterColin View Post


Its gonna be crazy in a week or 2 when I get my speakers. I'm gonna go from tv speakers (Never had anything more) to Swan 6.1s, C3, and 2.1s all run by my Onkyo 805

your going to be blown away. if you heard my current system, you would be blown away. and i am upgrading all audio.
post #1978 of 3844
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Originally Posted by FrancisDemarte View Post

Fabricator:

Just noticed your from Chicago also.

Rudiepoo1 is meeting up with me on Thursday audition my Diva 6.1s. If you want to drop by your welcome too.

Just a warning that I am no audiophile nor do I own audiophile equipment. I just have the 6.1s and C3 center, Marantz 7002 reciever, and PS3.

Drop me a PM if your interested.

THANX..... sending PM
post #1979 of 3844
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Originally Posted by FrancisDemarte View Post

Fabricator:

Just noticed your from Chicago also.

Rudiepoo1 is meeting up with me on Thursday audition my Diva 6.1s. If you want to drop by your welcome too.

Just a warning that I am no audiophile nor do I own audiophile equipment. I just have the 6.1s and C3 center, Marantz 7002 reciever, and PS3.

Drop me a PM if your interested.

Woo hoo.....sounds like a mini Diva meet Non-audiophile or not you have some damn fine speakers that I'm looking forward to hearing. Anything else that you are running, i.e. surrounds & sub? Just wasn't sure if you had the Diva 2.1's as well. Looking forward to Thursday!
post #1980 of 3844
Rudie

looks like i am going to see you guys there. i am going to bring my dig camera. if its ok with FD, i will take and post pics.
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