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post #2041 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Artisz View Post

What do You guys think of these:



They will make a set with center channel and M1s for home theater, I think they are sweet! I don't know if they'll be available here though.

Look a little like 6.1's with ribbons.
Almost glad i canceled my "pre-order".
With the way the economy is going, and ribbons coming more into mainstream, maybe this is one of the upgrades ? I can only hope.
post #2042 of 3844
Great deal of buzz lately about Swan products. Good to see.

Definitely quality stuff.
post #2043 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

ok, i was told i would get them right away, well, thats what the web site says, anyway.. nothing yet.

Told you will get what right away?
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oh. and i wonder why they have such crappy pics. it wouldn't take much to show good pics. and i bet the crappy pics have turned away at least a few buyers.
post #2046 of 3844
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Originally Posted by sac8d4 View Post

Jon did mention he has some things up his sleeves (mods) for the .1 series, but did not specifically mention what they might be, maybe he has more info and this date and time....better x-over, binding post, etc?

Jon and Steve have been working on new xo's for the .1's for awhile now. Jon has also hinted at perhaps new veneers (and piano black).
post #2047 of 3844
So I'm hoping to hear a estimate for when I should get them this week but we will see.
post #2048 of 3844
Fabricator, I hope you got a good deal on that receiver...

Best Buy is running an in store price break on that Pio receiver you have coming to you. I'm not currently in the market for an AVR, but these prices are crazy good. Sale prices go away on Saturday, FYI.

Best Buy Click Me O_o

VSX-01TXH $599.98
VSX-03TXH $749.98
SC-05 $999.98
SC-07 $1399.98
post #2049 of 3844
my price blows that away. i got the 01TXH today. it looks very nice, and has some weight to it. so it should sound good. compared to my lightweight vsx818. but the 01 remote looks like it has a crappy layout. 818, much better.

anyway. i got my email from OZ. Kraig gave a good explanation of why he didn't post the info here. makes sense to me. he didn't ask me to NOT repost it here. but i am not going to give out that info, SO DON'T ASK me. if you want to know, ask Kraig.

:sittin here waitin on my speakers :
post #2050 of 3844
I think I may have a good idea when someone may be receiving their new Roswood Swans.

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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

my price blows that away. i got the 01TXH today. it looks very nice, and has some weight to it. so it should sound good. compared to my lightweight vsx818. but the 01 remote looks like it has a crappy layout. 818, much better.

anyway. i got my email from OZ. Kraig gave a good explanation of why he didn't post the info here. makes sense to me. he didn't ask me to NOT repost it here. but i am not going to give out that info, SO DON'T ASK me. if you want to know, ask Kraig.

:sittin here waitin on my speakers :
post #2051 of 3844
:d

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Originally Posted by rudiepoo1 View Post

i think i may have a good idea when someone may be receiving their new roswood swans.
post #2052 of 3844
You resisted hooking it up to your current speakers??

I've been trying to get Oz to email me back about some B-stock Swan 2.1s for weeks now. I even tried to PM Cleveland Plazma but no answer there either. Guess they are out of production...




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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

my price blows that away. i got the 01TXH today. it looks very nice, and has some weight to it. so it should sound good. compared to my lightweight vsx818. but the 01 remote looks like it has a crappy layout. 818, much better.

anyway. i got my email from OZ. Kraig gave a good explanation of why he didn't post the info here. makes sense to me. he didn't ask me to NOT repost it here. but i am not going to give out that info, SO DON'T ASK me. if you want to know, ask Kraig.

:sittin here waitin on my speakers :
post #2053 of 3844
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Originally Posted by FrancisDemarte View Post

You resisted hooking it up to your current speakers??

I've been trying to get Oz to email me back about some B-stock Swan 2.1s for weeks now. I even tried to PM Cleveland Plazma but no answer there either. Guess they are out of production...

yeah, i know. but i had to work late. and i am just feeling tierd today. and i want to do some before/after, listening/testing. too much for 1 night.

why don't ya just order some new ones ? B-stock and new can't be that much of a $$ difference. but what do i know.
post #2054 of 3844
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Originally Posted by FrancisDemarte View Post

You resisted hooking it up to your current speakers??

I've been trying to get Oz to email me back about some B-stock Swan 2.1s for weeks now. I even tried to PM Cleveland Plazma but no answer there either. Guess they are out of production...

Supposedly Jon and Craig are getting a shipment of 2.1s in very soon in both finishes. I was going to go that route until Marchewd put a new pair up that had n't even been out of the box, So I jumped on the opportunity...
post #2055 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Drew664 View Post

Fabricator, I hope you got a good deal on that receiver...

Best Buy is running an in store price break on that Pio receiver you have coming to you. I'm not currently in the market for an AVR, but these prices are crazy good. Sale prices go away on Saturday, FYI.

Best Buy Click Me O_o

VSX-01TXH $599.98
VSX-03TXH $749.98
SC-05 $999.98
SC-07 $1399.98

people should jump on that SC-05 price....its pretty darn good.
post #2056 of 3844
Is there a Swan dealer around Denver? I saw one listed in Reno but was wondering if anything closer. I am actually in Sheridan WY which of course isn't close to anywhere.
post #2057 of 3844
Is there a good 6.1 vs. 6.2 discussion on this forum?
post #2058 of 3844
Ha! I think he is asking about diva lines not the number of speakers and subwoofers.
post #2059 of 3844
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Originally Posted by BoB/335 View Post

Is there a good 6.1 vs. 6.2 discussion on this forum?

Yes there is.

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Originally Posted by Steve Ozmai View Post

mtrot,

Thanks for the question. As you can imagine - this is one we get quite often. First - with respect to the sonic matching - the X.1 and X.2 Diva series have not been timbre matched. Though the voicing is similar, there is not a perfect sonic match between these lines. All timbre matching in the Diva series is done within each product category. In other words - all X.1 series are matched to each other - as are all X.2 series. Thus, when designing a X.1 or X.2 system, you can choose from any range of components within the line...though we do not recommend mixing between the two. In real world testing, the difference between something like the 6.1 and a X.2 series center channel is minimal and, in some cases, inaudible. That said, it is not a perfect match on paper - so our recommendation is to stay within the lines when building your system.

Second - with respect to the 6.1 vs. 6.2 question - this is another VERY common topic. Unfortunately for us...or should I say fortunately for you...Swans really outdid themselves on the 6.1. This is a speaker that almost single handedly redefined the high-end audio industry (as one of the first ID loudspeakers). Some of you might remember our "attention grabbing" unveiling of the Diva 6.1 (and the rest of the Diva line) at CES several years ago. To prove a point, we put this speaker side by side with the B&W Nautlius 802 (an incredible, and ridiculously expensive, loudspeaker) and made a staff of reviewers guess which they were hearing. Let's just say there were more than a few egos shattered over that particular weekend (and some interesting legal developments a few years later from a certain high-end speaker manufacturer).

One of the 6.1's biggest strengths is its ability to remain detailed, articulate, and balanced over a very wide power range. From whispers to wall-shaking explosions, the 6.1 presents a remarkable level of detail without ever overpowering the listener. Many speakers that offer this type of performance will cause fatigue after 20-30 minutes in front of the speakerthe 6.1 is the exact opposite. In fact, we've had several experiences with and feedback from our customers that have no idea how loud the speakers are actually playing until they leave the roomand, in some cases, the house. When they can still hear the output from 60 yards down the street, but don't have listener fatigue while actually in the room, it's always an eye opening experience. This ability is in large part due to drivers used in the 6.1. Dual magnesium alloy bass woofers (8"), Kevlar midrange (6"), and silk dome tweeter. These components are able to accommodate a very wide power band without a significant shift in frequency response (thus you won't lose bass response at low volume or detail at high volume).

Where the 6.1 is a heavyweight knock-your-socks-off beast, the 6.2 is a much more refined and controlled monster (by no means a small speaker). The 6.2 is the evolution of the Diva category designed to offer reference level performance in any format (from high-rez music to Pro Logic DVD's). While the X.2 series shares the Diva name, it's really a new category all together. The X.2 line shares many of the driver configurations seen in the X.1 line, but that's really where the similarities end. The differences start with a beautifully redesigned bentwood cabinetwhich really has to be seen to appreciate. Building on the X.1 technology, the cabinet in the X.2 line is designed to eliminate any and all parallel surfaces - thus reducing standing waves inside the cabinet and improving the overall accuracy, time alignment, and soundstage of the speaker. All drivers utilize new long-throw linear suspensions with polypropylene cones. Though not quite as rigid as the metal cones used in the X.1 series, the X.2 drivers offer a more refined and detailed response with significantly improved off-axis response. Last, but definitely not least, all X.2 loudspeakers use truly state-of-the-art crossovers (Swans doesn't believe in charging more to build crossovers right the first time). The X.2 crossovers utilize the best components available in the Swans inventory - and are voiced specifically with the X.2 series drivers to maximize off-axis response and deliver unprecedented 2-channel imaging. For all of these reasons, many of our customers find that the X.2 series offers a bit better overall performance for most music formats. Because most home theater formats don't heavily rely on imaging to recreate the desired effect (since there's a speaker where an image would be created in a 2 channel system), the 6.1's additional lower mid-bass punch and visceral effect (you FEEL the 6.1) make it the speaker of choice for HT. In most cases, I recommend the 6.1 for a 30/70 music/HT system and the 6.2 in a 70/30 music/HT system.

Sorry for the long post - hope that helps answer the question!

Steve owns Oz Home Theater, so he knows about both models very well. As far as other reviews, I think the above is about as close as you're going to get. There was also a picture someone had that had the 6.1 and 6.2 right next to each other. Huge difference in size (6.2 being much larger), and I just can't recall where I've seen it...

Hope that helps!
post #2060 of 3844
So I got bored and bought some Klipsch Icons from Best buy to use till i get my Swans. They are nice but don't blow me away like I expected for a $800 pair. At least I can compare the swans to them before I return them to BB.

Funny though, The BB guy that was helping me was like "I'm kind of an audiophile and these are very good speakers. I'm considering getting a pair my self."

I then asked him what some of the specs are like the sensitivity and he had no idea... (I knew)
post #2061 of 3844
Thanks Drew! That's exactly what I was looking for. I would also like to hear from others who may have compared them side by side and I sure would like to see that pic of the 2 of them side by side.
post #2062 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Artisz View Post

Ha! I think he is asking about diva lines not the number of speakers and subwoofers.

HAHA! DOH!

Thanks for the clear up. Teehee.
post #2063 of 3844
I've just got a pair of 5.1 and am very impressed. One thing I think that's missing though is 'punch' with the bass. Although I can hear the detail in the bass I somehow think it's missing something. Would this improve as they are 'worn in' or do i need to upgrade already? (this is my first hi end sound system) How much of a difference would it make if I was to get a pair of 6.1 or 6.2? My musical tastes are mainly indie, rock, funk with a little jazz and a bit of everything else. I'm running the 5.1s off a Cambridge Audio 840A amp and a Cambridge Audio 740C CD player, standard cables/power cables.
Thanks
post #2064 of 3844
The 5.1 aren't designed to be used without a sub. The 6.1 are great for two channel music without a sub, but need a sub for HT.


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Originally Posted by worf007 View Post

I've just got a pair of 5.1 and am very impressed. One thing I think that's missing though is 'punch' with the bass. Although I can hear the detail in the bass I somehow think it's missing something. Would this improve as they are 'worn in' or do i need to upgrade already? (this is my first hi end sound system) How much of a difference would it make if I was to get a pair of 6.1 or 6.2? My musical tastes are mainly indie, rock, funk with a little jazz and a bit of everything else. I'm running the 5.1s off a Cambridge Audio 840A amp and a Cambridge Audio 740C CD player, standard cables/power cables.
Thanks
post #2065 of 3844
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Originally Posted by SteveSatch View Post

The 5.1 aren't designed to be used without a sub. The 6.1 are great for two channel music without a sub, but need a sub for HT.

In a small/medium room the 6.1s can dig into the mid/upper 20hz range and do a surprisingly good job for HT without a sub. I ran 6.1s without a sub for about a year while in a rental home with only a small spare bedroom for my HT and I was floored by how well the 6.1s did on the low end. Using them subless wouldn't be my first choice for a reference system, but if you need to use them without while waiting for a larger space or waiting for funds to become available, they can definitely hold their own. I would take 6.1s without a sub over most similar speakers and a mediocre sub.
post #2066 of 3844
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Originally Posted by BoB/335 View Post

Thanks Drew! That's exactly what I was looking for. I would also like to hear from others who may have compared them side by side and I sure would like to see that pic of the 2 of them side by side.

Ah, you are in luck sir.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...3&postcount=51




post #2067 of 3844
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Originally Posted by worf007
I've just got a pair of 5.1 and am very impressed. One thing I think that's missing though is 'punch' with the bass. Although I can hear the detail in the bass I somehow think it's missing something. Would this improve as they are 'worn in' or do i need to upgrade already? (this is my first hi end sound system) How much of a difference would it make if I was to get a pair of 6.1 or 6.2? My musical tastes are mainly indie, rock, funk with a little jazz and a bit of everything else. I'm running the 5.1s off a Cambridge Audio 840A amp and a Cambridge Audio 740C CD player, standard cables/power cables.
Thanks


My system is purely for 2 channel audio, so the 6.1 or 6.2 would make a difference to the bass? worth spending the extra money to upgrade?
post #2068 of 3844
I'd say for 2ch music the 6.1s may have been a better choice on the front end... the 5.1s really are designed as an HT floor stander and as perfectly matched to the C3 center as a floor standing speaker can be... but I'd say a decent sub and some time integrating it with the 5.1s might give you a similar result with less hassle (selling the 5.1s, buying the 6.1s).
post #2069 of 3844
Seems everyone keeps mentioning the 6.1's with no one mentioning the 6.2's. HMMmmmm interesting.

(btw thanks for the pics. Those 6.2's are quite tall. Wonder what that does for getting the highs are ear level while seated)
post #2070 of 3844
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Originally Posted by BoB/335 View Post

Seems everyone keeps mentioning the 6.1's with no one mentioning the 6.2's. HMMmmmm interesting.

(btw thanks for the pics. Those 6.2's are quite tall. Wonder what that does for getting the highs are ear level while seated)

not interesting at all. the 6.1's have been around for several/many years. the 6.2's are new. and the 6.1's are less expensive. i have the 6.1's on order. if OZ had the 6.2's, i may have ordered those instead.


actually. the 6.2's, probably, depending on your seating, would have an advantage. = i currently have dual 8" 3 ways towers, of pretty much the same size as the 6.1's. i would benefit from raising them up a few inches. and i very well may raise up the 6.1's.

on those above pics. who has the money to buy 2 sets of those ? hmmm, could it be OZ's personal setup ? lol, idk, just sayin.
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