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post #241 of 3844
Received my free pair of m200 active speakers from TAI yesterday. These are amazingly good. I went back and forth between the m200s and my Swan 5.1s. While they were no match for the 5.1s they were quite satisfactory. At $200 a pair (with built in amplification) these are quite the steal. Outstanding value ...for a free pair of speakers!
On the negative side, you dont want to turn up the volume too high as they do start distorting a bit. They are also large and rear ported so if you want to put them on a desk or bookshelf make sure there is enough space.
post #242 of 3844
Plugged the ole 5.2Rs in to check them out.

I am quite happy with these, I did not set them up and they are simply facing me to make sure everything is in good working order, but I must say I am impressed by their sound.

Absolutely neutral is what I would call them, they dont emphasize anything, they seem to have good dynamic range...I dig them!

Thanks Jon for such a killer deal!!
post #243 of 3844
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Originally Posted by billnchristy View Post

Plugged the ole 5.2Rs in to check them out.

I am quite happy with these, I did not set them up and they are simply facing me to make sure everything is in good working order, but I must say I am impressed by their sound.

Absolutely neutral is what I would call them, they dont emphasize anything, they seem to have good dynamic range...I dig them!

Thanks Jon for such a killer deal!!

Our pleasure, indeed, B&C. I'm very happy you're pleased.

As for the sale, at it's current clip we'll probably have to end it sooner than we'd expected, at least for some models -- a most excellent response, friends.

I'll update our site accordingly as time progresses. Thanks again!
post #244 of 3844
A few questions...

I am truly perplexed by the "marketing" of some of the ID companies with regards to their range of speakers. Am I the only one who feels there is nothing in the way of information to help a potential customer discern one line from another? For example, click on the speakers page for Diva or Original Diva and you are taken to a page with the list of products but absolutely nothign explaining the particular line or what the differences are or why you might consider one vs. the other etc. (yes I know there is info on each speaker on its own page but where is the "overview page" introducing the Diva, Original Diva, Dana, etc??? the compartive information on the LINE of speakers).

Anyway, to that end I am hopeful to get a little feedback from those in the know here (and hoping Jon might consider updating the TAI site!). For a 2 channel music only system, what are the thoughts on a) the bookshelf models available? The 2.1, 2.1se, Dana 630, even Acculines and b) the floorstanders across the lines? For $499 the 4.2 looks like it could be interesting and is priced nice but again there is so little to go on that helps me better understand the different lines I really don't know where to start. I can definitely do floorstanders in one area, but in another (whole-house audio setup) within earshot, only bookshelves will fit so I want something that creates a nice almost seemless transition from one are to the next - it's a very open floorplan.

And lastly I am also a bit confused about the trial period. I have seen somewhere in a forum thread (perhaps this one) that the demo does not apply to the sales prices. However, this is absolutley NOT stated on the products page anywhere. In fact, it quite clearly states that the demo period IS included. This is confusing to say the least and, to me anyway, a bit deceptive and misleading as I don;t expect everyone who makes a purchase has read through all the threads to uncover any caveats, exclusions, or other limitations in the deal.

Thanks!
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post #246 of 3844
After a couple of months of reading all these threads, I decided to bite the bullet and upgrade my HTIB. I've already purchased the Onkyo 705 receiver and I was looking for a good speaker set.

So... I just placed my order for a pair of the Swan 5.1 towers and for one of the C3 centers from Oz Home Theater.

As one could imagine, I'm excited and can hardly wait to receive them. I plan to post my impressions of them here and to also post my impressions of the dealer, Oz Home Theater.

Later, I'm thinking of adding the Swan 2.1 as surrounds. Anyone have an opinion about this setup? Recommendations?

BTW: I will be using this setup for 100% HT.

I'll be watching for the delivery truck every day!!
post #247 of 3844
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Originally Posted by JN99 View Post

A few questions...For a 2 channel music only system, what are the thoughts on a) the bookshelf models available? The 2.1, 2.1se, Dana 630, even Acculines and b) the floorstanders across the lines?

A few things from someone who's gone through a similar journey.

First, read the owners threads here...and any reviews out there. If you go by what is on a company's website they're always going to toot their own horn. The threads here though will have a lot of different perspectives...including a thousand different comparisons that no single company would or could ever make...Craigsub threads for instance are invaluable.

Next...especially with the smaller ID companies...give them a call. Tell them about your system and ask them any questions you have. So far I've found them to be amazingly friendly and helpful. This is true of Jon Lane at TAI as well as others like MLS at AV123...great people who do what they do because they love audio...they could probably make as much or more money selling cars or houses but they LOVE audio.

Also look into the forums on the sites...a number of them have links to people around the country (frapper?) that you can contact to listen to or see the product locally. A lot of these ID speakers are good enough that their owners like showing them off. So they'll let you come over if you ask nicely...you can listen and see the speaker before you order it. There are probably swan owners in Seattle who could lend you a hand.

Finally...as to some direct opinions...for pure 2 channel music I highly recommend the 6.1s or 6.2s. I have the 6.1s and LOVE them. I use them exclusively for 2 channel music because they didn't require me to use a sub to get the sound I wanted. The 4.1/2 are supposed to also be quite musical but for my room I wanted the bit of extra punch. I got it. If I hadn't gone with the 6.1s I'd have gone with the 4.2s...the 5s I have been told several times excel for HT more than music. IF I were getting bookshelves without a sub...I would get the Swan D2.1SEs as those have now proven with repeated testing by some people I trust here, to be stellar performers. Bookshelves without a sub are generally hard to get full value out of in 2 channel apps but it appears these are best of breed.

Anyway hope that helps. I listened to a dozen different speaker types before I bought and in the end I found the Swans to work best for ME. There are other great speakers out there but by reading about the Customer Service and customer loyalty among the audio lovers here I was able to narrow it down to a few brands I could feel trust in...and I haven't been disappointed.

Again...see if you can find someone local who will let you see/listen first...then call Jon at TIA and have him give you a direct opinion about your setup needs...he's honest enough to talk you DOWN rather than up in price if that is your need. And read it all. The web sites of any single company will never meet all your needs...they exist to advertize and help you order but they are no substitute for good experienced opinions like those you can find around here.

Good luck in your search!

Critterjr
post #248 of 3844
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Originally Posted by JN99 View Post

I am truly perplexed by the "marketing" of some of the ID companies with regards to their range of speakers.

Thanks for the detailed comments, JN99. I'll try to address them here briefly, but I'd encourage you to contact us at the 800 number on our front page, by email, or by a message to our forum get specific answers.

I like your idea about splash pages per each product range. (I like it so much we've been working on it since we installed our new webstore.) With our diversity, it's essential, I'd agree. The challenge for us, as I suspect it is for some other ID firms, is adequate flexibility within the site coding. But I whole-heartedly agree: A broad perspective would be (and will be) helpful.

As far as product opinions, I don't feel that'd be fitting here in AVS' pages and I stand by to take your call or answer your electronic query.
post #249 of 3844
runchuckrun,

I have the 5.1 annd c3 center and I use 4.1s for rears. This is an absolutely fabulous system for HT and also performs very well for music. You may want to add a sub even before you think of the rears.

You may also find that adding a bigger separate amp will help your system. I have an Onkyo 804 which I now use as a pre/pro and use an emotiva lpa1 for my amp. Addition of the lpa1 helped open up the 5.1s and make them sound much better for music.
post #250 of 3844
critterjr, I couldn't have said it better myself...as you just demonstrated. Wise words from a fairminded and savvy friend of ID. Thank you.
post #251 of 3844
Jon,

Thanks for the m200s you sent me.I had a chance to listen to them and they are quite awsome for the price. While they fell short whe I pitted them against my 5.1s, for their price they are simply astounding.

BTW, is there a way to bypass the internal amp and drive them using an external amp?
post #252 of 3844
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Originally Posted by usp1 View Post

Jon,

Thanks for the m200s you sent me.I had a chance to listen to them and they are quite awsome for the price. While they fell short whe I pitted them against my 5.1s, for their price they are simply astounding.



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BTW, is there a way to bypass the internal amp and drive them using an external amp?

There is not, sadly...but I think we may have a spare M200 slave here somewhere. Email us?
post #253 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Jon Lane View Post





There is not, sadly...but I think we may have a spare M200 slave here somewhere. Email us?

email sent
post #254 of 3844
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Originally Posted by usp1 View Post

runchuckrun,

I have the 5.1 annd c3 center and I use 4.1s for rears. This is an absolutely fabulous system for HT and also performs very well for music. You may want to add a sub even before you think of the rears.

That sounds like a great system you have. I do plan on upgrading my entire speaker setup, but I will have to use my current HTIB sub until I can afford to replace it.

Suggestions for a good sub to go along with the Swans?
post #255 of 3844
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Originally Posted by runchuckrun View Post

That sounds like a great system you have. I do plan on upgrading my entire speaker setup, but I will have to use my current HTIB sub until I can afford to replace it.

Suggestions for a good sub to go along with the Swans?

I just added a Sunfire D-12 to my system (5.1's, C3, R3's) and really like the sound.
post #256 of 3844
I have the swan sub10. I got a good deal from Jon when I bought my system. Its not the most powerful sub. It goes down to about 25Hz but is a very musical sub and integrates well with the rest of my system. That will be the next thing I upgrade in my system.
post #257 of 3844
runchuckrun, I too, feel the5.1,c3 make for a nice ht front stage (have the2.1s,r2s in the rear). One thing though, imo to really get the full impact of the swan ht you'll need a sub .
post #258 of 3844
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Originally Posted by runchuckrun View Post

That sounds like a great system you have. I do plan on upgrading my entire speaker setup, but I will have to use my current HTIB sub until I can afford to replace it.

Suggestions for a good sub to go along with the Swans?

If you can afford an SVS, even the PB10-NSD is an incredible sub. I have the PB10-ISD and can't say enough about it.

For a bit lower budget ask Jon Lane about the Acculine ASub for $289. The participants at Craigsub's recent get together loved it. Apparently it's not the ultimate sub for volume or extension but for the price it was said to be very musical.

Check the sub forum area for tons of info on inexpensive subs.
post #259 of 3844
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Originally Posted by critterjr View Post

A few things from someone who's gone through a similar journey.

First, read the owners threads here...and any reviews out there. If you go by what is on a company's website they're always going to toot their own horn. The threads here though will have a lot of different perspectives...including a thousand different comparisons that no single company would or could ever make...Craigsub threads for instance are invaluable.

Next...especially with the smaller ID companies...give them a call. Tell them about your system and ask them any questions you have. So far I've found them to be amazingly friendly and helpful. This is true of Jon Lane at TAI as well as others like MLS at AV123...great people who do what they do because they love audio...they could probably make as much or more money selling cars or houses but they LOVE audio.

Also look into the forums on the sites...a number of them have links to people around the country (frapper?) that you can contact to listen to or see the product locally. A lot of these ID speakers are good enough that their owners like showing them off. So they'll let you come over if you ask nicely...you can listen and see the speaker before you order it. There are probably swan owners in Seattle who could lend you a hand.

Finally...as to some direct opinions...for pure 2 channel music I highly recommend the 6.1s or 6.2s. I have the 6.1s and LOVE them. I use them exclusively for 2 channel music because they didn't require me to use a sub to get the sound I wanted. The 4.1/2 are supposed to also be quite musical but for my room I wanted the bit of extra punch. I got it. If I hadn't gone with the 6.1s I'd have gone with the 4.2s...the 5s I have been told several times excel for HT more than music. IF I were getting bookshelves without a sub...I would get the Swan D2.1SEs as those have now proven with repeated testing by some people I trust here, to be stellar performers. Bookshelves without a sub are generally hard to get full value out of in 2 channel apps but it appears these are best of breed.

Anyway hope that helps. I listened to a dozen different speaker types before I bought and in the end I found the Swans to work best for ME. There are other great speakers out there but by reading about the Customer Service and customer loyalty among the audio lovers here I was able to narrow it down to a few brands I could feel trust in...and I haven't been disappointed.

Again...see if you can find someone local who will let you see/listen first...then call Jon at TIA and have him give you a direct opinion about your setup needs...he's honest enough to talk you DOWN rather than up in price if that is your need. And read it all. The web sites of any single company will never meet all your needs...they exist to advertize and help you order but they are no substitute for good experienced opinions like those you can find around here.

Good luck in your search!

Critterjr

What he said!!

Seriously, yeah it can be difficult figuring out the differences between the different lines the ID companies offer (except with Ascend, can't get much simpler than that) but on the other hand, I find it more difficult finding out about the differences between a lot of B&M brands. Some of them have really awful web sites. At least with the good ID brands you can always have a great phone conversation with the company's owner to get all the info you want.

As for bookshelf speakers for 2 channel, the Swan D2.1SEs would be an outstanding choice based on user reviews. If you can stretch your budget to the upcoming Dana 930s, I can't say enough about them. I'll be posting a review very soon. Comparing my 930s to my Swan 5.2Fs, I can say I love them both but the 930s are a step up in many areas, even though they're much smaller. The 5.2s will play a bit louder if you really want to push them and of course have more bottom due to the huge cabinets, but the 930s will fill a room with amazing, distortion free sound, with very surprising bass response. I love FULL range sound so I still use a sub with mine but many people would be very happy with the 930s without a sub.
post #260 of 3844
Is there anything to be concerned about regarding Audio Insider's once in a lifetime sale that is going on now on Swan's ? Prices are awesome but I am concerned that they are not offering refunds in the event a buyer wants to return them. Plus the lowest shipping cost is $130. Does that sound reasonable. I am use to have shipping included so I have no idea what it cost to ship 80lbs of speaker. At the moment, I am close to pulling the trigger on either Diva's 4.2s or Monitor Audio RS6s. Now that Diva's are being offerred at such a great price, they have my full attention.
post #261 of 3844
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Originally Posted by ohrbrcko View Post

Is there anything to be concerned about regarding Audio Insider's once in a lifetime sale that is going on now on Swan's ? Prices are awesome but I am concerned that they are not offering refunds in the event a buyer wants to return them. Plus the lowest shipping cost is $130. Does that sound reasonable. I am use to have shipping included so I have no idea what it cost to ship 80lbs of speaker. At the moment, I am close to pulling the trigger on either Diva's 4.2s or Monitor Audio RS6s. Now that Diva's are being offerred at such a great price, they have my full attention.

you're lucky, i was ready to pull the trigger on a set of 5.2's but the lowest shipping price for me was just over $200
post #262 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Marc9380 View Post

you're lucky, i was ready to pull the trigger on a set of 5.2's but the lowest shipping price for me was just over $200

Marc, if that was for a pair of 5.2 mains, it was not correct. Contact us please for a correction. I've only seen ~$200 for entire systems shipped to the east coast...
post #263 of 3844
I dont know what it costs to ship that much either, but a quick call to the local FEDEX ground or UPS should give you an idea.

Ihad a whole system shipped for around $200 including a sub.
post #264 of 3844
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Originally Posted by usp1 View Post

I dont know what it costs to ship that much either, but a quick call to the local FEDEX ground or UPS should give you an idea.

Shipping fee quotes in online stores call the weights and zips back through a shipping company server for display in the store's engine. We're finding that FedEx occasionally feeds back an incomplete quote and leaves a buyer with no Gound of Home option. This can raise quotes by way of converting them to an Air product.

We've been going back and forth with them for the week about this, but the point is that if anyone gets back a quote excessively over roughly $75-$100 a pair for a large main speaker pair, it may want to be reviewed.
post #265 of 3844
Jon,

Nice talking to you yesterday. Waiting eagerly for those m200 slaves. I still cant get over how nice the m200s sound.

With all the great deals going on subs... and all the new subs ... cant wait to hear when you will be announcing some new products.
post #266 of 3844
Jon,

Will any of your speakers be at the Rocky Mountain Audiofest (Denver) next week?
post #267 of 3844
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Originally Posted by schaffer970 View Post

Jon,

Will any of your speakers be at the Rocky Mountain Audiofest (Denver) next week?

Yes, we'll show the GamuT's...
post #268 of 3844
I've decided to order a pair of the Diva 6.2. However, I'm confused as to what center channel and surround speakers pair better with these speakers. I was looking to pair them with the C3 (Center) and the R3 (Surrounds). It appears that some are pairing the 6.2 with the 5.2R (Surrounds) and 5.2 (Center). I've done plenty of searches and have yet to find the answers that I seek. Could one of you knowledgeable owners please help me out or direct my path a bit? Advantages/Disadvantages?
post #269 of 3844
Best thing is to call Jon Lane and get his expert opinion. I think the 5.2 will work better with the 6.2s because they share the same drivers. I have the 5.1s and I am pairing with the C3.
post #270 of 3844
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Originally Posted by usp1 View Post

Best thing is to call Jon Lane and get his expert opinion. I think the 5.2 will work better with the 6.2s because they share the same drivers. I have the 5.1s and I am pairing with the C3.

Thanks. I ended up purchasing the 6.2, 5.2c, and 5.2r to match per Jon's recommendation. I was really torn between the Rockets and the Swans (still am to a certain extent), but I've committed From what you guys have indicated I should be pleased Now I have to decided between the Swan S10 sub or the HSU Research VTF-3 MKIII at the same price point. It appears this decision will be a little easier.
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