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post #3031 of 3844
10/10/10 at 5:02pm
Hey,

Im trying to understand the swan line.

What is the difference from the Swan 5.1HT setup and the 6.1's

Does the 5.1 from channel speakers just have smaller woofers?
Are they the same tweeter?
Does the larger mid range make a difference?

The 5.1HT set can be found online very reasonably through ebay.
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post #3032 of 3844
10/10/10 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by GordonP. View Post

Thanks for your responses. The Swan diva's seem to have really good reviews and look great. Do any of you who own them have any regrets? Do you think they ultimately were worth the cost?

The 4.2 is the gem of the Diva line,I've owned the f2.2,F5,and I've had significant time with the M6 and the Diva 6.2,and only the F5 has their openess on the topend.The F2.2 although a very potent speaker,it is very midbass heavy,the M6 is a bit thin in the lowermids and not as extended on the topend as i would like and the 6.2's tweeter sits to high to properly intergrate with the midrange driver and your ears and their a bit boomy in the bass. The F5 is worldclass speaker by any measures,but they are heavy 255 pounds a side and they take up a bunch of room with and depth wise they are not very practical for your normal room,the 4.2 is a amazing speaker for its price a clear bargain.
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post #3033 of 3844
10/11/10 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

What is the difference from the Swan 5.1HT setup and the 6.1's

Does the 5.1 from channel speakers just have smaller woofers?
Are they the same tweeter?
Does the larger mid range make a difference?

The 5.1HT set can be found online very reasonably through ebay.

The Diva 5.1 was originally a slender, double 6.5" woofered floor 2-way. It was redeveloped about 2005 to include a 50mm dome, and The Audio Insider and OZ carried this model exclusively up until about 18 months ago. The "P" versions went as low as $600, as I recall.

Like all Diva X.1 models, we carried the 5.1 in two finishes, the original book-matched rosewood veneer, and the economy "P" versions, which we called Faux Black Cherry.

The 28mm silk Diva dome is carried throughout the Diva X.1 and X.2 lines.

The 6.1 remains in the line, and uses a 6.5" composite midrange and a pair of 8" alloy dish woofers. The 6.1 has appreciably more output.
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post #3034 of 3844
10/11/10 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by Jon Lane View Post

The Diva 5.1 was originally a slender, double 6.5" woofered floor 2-way. It was redeveloped about 2005 to include a 50mm dome, and The Audio Insider and OZ carried this model exclusively up until about 18 months ago. The "P" versions went as low as $600, as I recall.

Like all Diva X.1 models, we carried the 5.1 in two finishes, the original book-matched rosewood veneer, and the economy "P" versions, which we called Faux Black Cherry.

The 28mm silk Diva dome is carried throughout the Diva X.1 and X.2 lines.

The 6.1 remains in the line, and uses a 6.5" composite midrange and a pair of 8" alloy dish woofers. The 6.1 has appreciably more output.

Nice... Output IS very important to me but the 6.1 lineup is out of my budget unless I find used.
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post #3035 of 3844
10/12/10 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by sac8d4 View Post

Chris,
Either one of you going to be offering the RM series specifically the towers?

We carry the RM600F. Very nice speakers Low in price on the street. We have had more luck with the M6F though
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post #3036 of 3844
10/12/10 at 11:18pm
We did pick up the Swam M3+. Amazing bookself speakers. Excellent full range sound. Amazing finish. A true audiophile bookshelf speaker !!
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post #3037 of 3844
10/13/10 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

The F2.2 although a very potent speaker,it is very midbass heavy

I think that's largely room dependent. I can't get enough midbass from my F2.2s and I'm no basshead
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post #3038 of 3844
10/13/10 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by Bernie7 View Post

I think that's largely room dependent. I can't get enough midbass from my F2.2s and I'm no basshead

Not really,its the nature of the Dyn style drivers,Swan improved on them but its still there ask any designer that uses these drivers,and if your not getting a sufficient amount of midbass in your room,you have a suckout between 150 and 60htz it wont matter what speaker you have until you address that problem it will remain as a bad omen.
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post #3039 of 3844
10/13/10 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

We did pick up the Swam M3+. Amazing bookself speakers. Excellent full range sound. Amazing finish. A true audiophile bookshelf speaker !!
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I doubt this version will image and soundstage as good as the original M3's without the slanted front baffle with physical time alignment,this was a backwards move by Swan,i guess they liked the looks but didnt care about hurting the speakers fine imaging.
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post #3040 of 3844
10/13/10 at 12:14pm
The guy with the Swans on sale here won't answer pm's... strange
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post #3041 of 3844
10/13/10 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

The guy with the Swans on sale here won't answer pm's... strange

Call Jon he can get anything he has,im not knocking Plasma but Jon can get them.
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post #3042 of 3844
10/13/10 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

Call Jon he can get anything he has,im not knocking Plasma but Jon can get them.

I meant the used ones.
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post #3043 of 3844
10/13/10 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I meant the used ones.

Well have you called Cleveland Plasma? you probably should call him,he's a nice guy to talk to.
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post #3044 of 3844
10/13/10 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

Well have you called Cleveland Plasma? you probably should call him,he's a nice guy to talk to.

I am sure he is but I don't see the diva line on their site and I cant afford much over 600 so I doubt he can help.
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post #3045 of 3844
10/13/10 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I am sure he is but I don't see the diva line on their site and I cant afford much over 600 so I doubt he can help.

Jon is who you need to talk to about the Diva line,give him a call or shoot him a email.
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post #3046 of 3844
10/14/10 at 11:49am
Has anyone heard an energy rc-30 setup and a Swan Diva 5.2 setup?

I am considering getting the Swan Diva 5.2 and c3 for $800 which is a good deal.

Is it worth the extra $150-200 over the rc-30 and a center?

Looks like I will be keeping my JBL 8340a's for surrounds for a while
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post #3047 of 3844
10/14/10 at 12:06pm
^^^ I don't know if it really helps any or not, but I have heard the Energy Connoisseur C-3, and I have the Swan D2.1 SE, and the Swan is in another league entirely IMO. It's not even close. You are talking about a newer generation Energy though.
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post #3048 of 3844
10/14/10 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by mark russ View Post

^^^ I don't know if it really helps any or not, but I have heard the Energy Connoisseur C-3, and I have the Swan D2.1 SE, and the Swan is in another league entirely IMO. It's not even close. You are talking about a newer generation Energy though.

Thanks. I care mostly about soundstage and dynamics at high volumes which I hear is one of swans strong points from the limited feedback I've been able to piece together.
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post #3049 of 3844
10/14/10 at 5:45pm
Does anyone know why swan suggests the diva 4.2c for the 5.2's but I keep seeing them sold with the c3?

Which is better?
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post #3050 of 3844
10/14/10 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Does anyone know why swan suggests the diva 4.2c for the 5.2's but I keep seeing them sold with the c3?

We recommend that Diva X.1 series speakers be used with X.1 series loudspeakers, and likewise the Diva X.2 line. The 4.2C or 5.2C are best for use with the 5.2 main speakers.

The C3 has a unique 50mm dome midrange, giving it excellent dispersion and vocal intelligibility, although the 4.2c/5.2c, as well as the X.2 line throughout, have a strong user reputation for some of the best midrange we have in a cone-based line. The Diva X.2 line was developed primarily to showcase this new driver technology.

The C3 goes best with the 6.1.

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Which is better?

They're slightly different. For best matching, we recommend staying in in either all Diva X.1 models or Diva X.2 models.
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post #3051 of 3844
10/14/10 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

Call Jon he can get anything he has,im not knocking Plasma but Jon can get them.

Hi Tawaun. We'll be doing an M3 Custom next, too.
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post #3052 of 3844
10/14/10 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Jon Lane View Post

We recommend that Diva X.1 series speakers be used with X.1 series loudspeakers, and likewise the Diva X.2 line. The 4.2C or 5.2C are best for use with the 5.2 main speakers.

The C3 has a unique 50mm dome midrange, giving it excellent dispersion and vocal intelligibility, although the 4.2c/5.2c, as well as the X.2 line throughout, have a strong user reputation for some of the best midrange we have in a cone-based line. The Diva X.2 line was developed primarily to showcase this new driver technology.

The C3 goes best with the 6.1.



They're slightly different. For best matching, we recommend staying in in either all Diva X.1 models or Diva X.2 models.

hmm let me see which I had an offer in for.

I really would prefer the 6.1's but someone has the 5.2's and a center 2 hours from me that I offered 800 for. not sure which center.

EDIT: I see now that be has the c3 with the 5.2. Should I just not bother?

I could go with energy rc-50's for the same price delivered to my door OR the psb t45's for half the price
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post #3053 of 3844
10/15/10 at 4:49pm
i have the C3 with four 6.1's in my HT and two JL Audio F113 subs. Without question as Jon points out th C3 mates exceptionally with the 6.1's with a seamless, dynamic and clean presentation. It can just plain rock my foundation loose. I run the C3 on small setting and the 6.1's on large, full range, with my processor setting at X2 for the subs. I cross over usually at 80 hz for the small C3 setting, and for the crossover to the subs. On music, I switch to a 50 hz crossover setting which pushes the C3 to its lower limit unless I am really cranking to ear ringing levels and then use the 80 hz as it does not matter with rock that loud anyway and helps the C3 by not pushing the woofers to their max.

No matter how you rationalize, the Swans line is simply superb for the price or anywhere near it.
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post #3054 of 3844
10/15/10 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by oddeofile View Post

i have the C3 with four 6.1's in my HT and two JL Audio F113 subs. Without question as Jon points out th C3 mates exceptionally with the 6.1's with a seamless, dynamic and clean presentation. It can just plain rock my foundation loose. I run the C3 on small setting and the 6.1's on large, full range, with my processor setting at X2 for the subs. I cross over usually at 80 hz for the small C3 setting, and for the crossover to the subs. On music, I switch to a 50 hz crossover setting which pushes the C3 to its lower limit unless I am really cranking to ear ringing levels and then use the 80 hz as it does not matter with rock that loud anyway and helps the C3 by not pushing the woofers to their max.

No matter how you rationalize, the Swans line is simply superb for the price or anywhere near it.

I am sure the c3 is great but I'd really prefer 6.1's, for some reason the guy "near" me has the 5.2's and c3 new in box and the price is right... Should I buy the c3 and try to sell it? I could sell it for $200+ shipping or so and break even
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post #3055 of 3844
10/15/10 at 5:16pm
Tough call. The C3 is just marvelous with the soft dome midrange driver for vocal and on screen center details. The 6.1's just can rock especially with 4 in my 5.2 setup. What I love about them is they can be biwired or biamped vs. the 6.2 that can not. My rear 6.1's are biamped and the front two 6.1's are biwired. Dynamic as heck, and H-U-G-E soundstaging with the right HT material. Immense with no edge to the boundries. Every speaker not only disappears, they are GONE.

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!
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post #3056 of 3844
10/15/10 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by oddeofile View Post

Tough call. The C3 is just marvelous with the soft dome midrange driver for vocal and on screen center details. The 6.1's just can rock especially with 4 in my 5.2 setup. What I love about them is they can be biwired or biamped vs. the 6.2 that can not. My rear 6.1's are biamped and the front two 6.1's are biwired. Dynamic as heck, and H-U-G-E soundstaging with the right HT material. Immense with no edge to the boundries. Every speaker not only disappears, they are GONE.

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!

Tell me why you would bi-amp the rears instead of the fronts
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post #3057 of 3844
10/15/10 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by oddeofile View Post

Tough call. The C3 is just marvelous with the soft dome midrange driver for vocal and on screen center details. The 6.1's just can rock especially with 4 in my 5.2 setup. What I love about them is they can be biwired or biamped vs. the 6.2 that can not. My rear 6.1's are biamped and the front two 6.1's are biwired. Dynamic as heck, and H-U-G-E soundstaging with the right HT material. Immense with no edge to the boundries. Every speaker not only disappears, they are GONE.

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I should take a chance on the pairing. Its jsut hard because selling speakers is a nightmare right now but 200 for a c3 would go fast I'd hope.
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post #3058 of 3844
10/16/10 at 9:03am
OK, I have swan 5.1's and here is my dumb question.

How do I identify the positive and negative terminals. They are tri-ampable and are in Blue and Red.

Does it matter if the terminals are reversed. As you can see, I have -ive from amp to blue, and +ive from amp to Red


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post #3059 of 3844
10/16/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by mrrame View Post

OK, I have swan 5.1's and here is my dumb question.

How do I identify the positive and negative terminals. They are tri-ampable and are in Blue and Red.

Does it matter if the terminals are reversed. As you can see, I have -ive from amp to blue, and +ive from amp to Red


By mrrame

From what i know, red is always positive . It looks correct to me .
Wow, Tri-ampable. I bet those would sound great that way (Tri-Amped)
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post #3060 of 3844
10/16/10 at 10:46am
Hi all,
Does anyone know if there are any Swan dealers in Canada that I can order from? I've been reading and reading and really want to purchase but am not too excited about paying Duty, Shipping, and non optional Fed Ex/UPS Brokerage fees.

Any Help Greatly Appreciated...

Maybe I'll just have to bite the bullet
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