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post #3691 of 3844
7/16/12 at 4:31am
Thank you man!

The Aliens are from Sideshow Collectibles, I ordered them from US and Canada. They are made of polystone and quite heavy, really nice stuff. smile.gif
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post #3692 of 3844
7/17/12 at 5:19am
Fantastic setup!! I see you built a new room for your system.
Edited by dreaux - 7/17/12 at 5:38am
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post #3693 of 3844
7/17/12 at 6:22am
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Fantastic setup!! I see you built a new room for your system.

Yes, the room is entirely built for hifi listening (and movies of course!), in the beginning it was a lawn. smile.gif
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post #3694 of 3844
7/17/12 at 6:53pm
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Thank you man!
The Aliens are from Sideshow Collectibles, I ordered them from US and Canada. They are made of polystone and quite heavy, really nice stuff. smile.gif


Cool! Thanks for the info!
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post #3695 of 3844
7/18/12 at 6:40am
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Yes, the room is entirely built for hifi listening (and movies of course!), in the beginning it was a lawn. smile.gif



I was wondering how big is your listening room?
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post #3696 of 3844
7/18/12 at 8:10am
It's 30 square meters which is approx. 323 square feet. The height is 275 cm which is just above 9 feet.
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post #3697 of 3844
7/19/12 at 4:29am
Thanks for the info! My room is virtually the same size. It's good to know that the F1.1As won't overwhelm it. Thanks again.
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post #3698 of 3844
7/19/12 at 4:34am
I was a bit scared too, but they perform very well, absolutely no problems with to much bass for instance. But still, a correct designed speaker shouldn't have that anyway if the room is ok. I have a lot of acoustic treatment in my room to master room modes and such, but if your room have any problems with modes in the deep bass a bass capable speaker like this one might make them obvious. It's not a "bassy" speaker though, it's very neutral and nice, it plays the bass if it's there in the recording. smile.gif
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post #3699 of 3844
7/21/12 at 9:37am
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It's 30 square meters which is approx. 323 square feet. The height is 275 cm which is just above 9 feet.



I just realised that you had posted that info on your HT thread that you provided the link to. I missed it the first time I looked at it. Sorry about that.
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post #3700 of 3844
7/21/12 at 9:43am
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I was a bit scared too, but they perform very well, absolutely no problems with to much bass for instance. But still, a correct designed speaker shouldn't have that anyway if the room is ok. I have a lot of acoustic treatment in my room to master room modes and such, but if your room have any problems with modes in the deep bass a bass capable speaker like this one might make them obvious. It's not a "bassy" speaker though, it's very neutral and nice, it plays the bass if it's there in the recording. smile.gif


I agree about a great speaker in a acoustically good room. My room is not pefect but it's really good. Like you I put "some" work into it. Your HT still continues to impress me every time I look at it. A real labor of love.

BTW, I was wondering if you use your subwoofers when you listen to music?
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post #3701 of 3844
7/22/12 at 7:22am
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I just realised that you had posted that info on your HT thread that you provided the link to. I missed it the first time I looked at it. Sorry about that.

No problem. smile.gif
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post #3702 of 3844
7/22/12 at 7:24am
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I agree about a great speaker in a acoustically good room. My room is not pefect but it's really good. Like you I put "some" work into it. Your HT still continues to impress me every time I look at it. A real labor of love.
BTW, I was wondering if you use your subwoofers when you listen to music?

Thanks for the kind words!

No, I don't use the subs for music, though they are quite good performers if I do. But I don't like using subs for music, maybe I'm just stubborn. smile.gif
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post #3703 of 3844
7/23/12 at 5:50pm
I guess you wouldn't really need to use subs with those F1.1As wink.gif
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post #3704 of 3844
7/24/12 at 2:33am
Not really. wink.gif
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post #3705 of 3844
7/24/12 at 7:36am
Have you done any room correction on those? I went to Cleveland Plasma over a year ago and listened to the F1.1s and I thought they sounded like a muddied mess. I was not happy with what I heard. I ended up buying Swan Diva 6.2F because they were cheap and seemed like they would be OK for my basic needs. I ended up getting a used C3 and used pair of Diva 2.1s to round out my theater speakers. I've always noticed that with my speakers they have a huge bump in the mid-range. This is a typical characteristic of some speakers to give an illusion of great sound. The mid-range is naturally a pleasant frequency range that most people enjoy. So, it seems some speaker manufacturers embrace this by exaggerating that range. I will say, however, that my room is terrible. It is about 16x14 with a low hanging ceiling. I have yet to put up room treatments because I am likely moving soon.

But I wonder, are the Swan's really mid-range heavy, or is this my room? Here are the graphs from my run of Anthem Room Correction this weekend. I thought it was really interesting to view!


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post #3706 of 3844
7/24/12 at 2:06pm
No room correction done, the signal goes from a CD-player/transport digitally to a DAC and then balanced via analog signals to the pre-amp and then to two monoblocks. No DSP's or other stuff involved. They're not even close to muddy. smile.gif My room is quite treated though and perform quite well, and the dimensions are calculated according to Sepmeyer's golden ratios (it's built solely for hifi/movies from the ground up). They are perfectly balanced, I've measured them too and they are quite flat as far as I can see (of course my room isn't 100% perfect so it will affect the result in some way). Some of the drivers are changed from the old F1.1F but it still sounds weird that the old model wasn't performing well. Are you sure the room acoustics and electronics were good enough?

Your measurements must reflect room reflections, my measurements doesn't look like that at all. Can you set the "measurement time" in the software? You have to look at the first 10 ms or so to get the correct response from the speakers, after that all room contributions mess up the curve.
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post #3707 of 3844
7/25/12 at 11:52pm
Does anyone know wich Swan model this is? If so anyone know the specs for this speaker?

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post #3708 of 3844
7/25/12 at 11:59pm
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Have you done any room correction on those? I went to Cleveland Plasma over a year ago and listened to the F1.1s and I thought they sounded like a muddied mess. I was not happy with what I heard. I ended up buying Swan Diva 6.2F because they were cheap and seemed like they would be OK for my basic needs. I ended up getting a used C3 and used pair of Diva 2.1s to round out my theater speakers. I've always noticed that with my speakers they have a huge bump in the mid-range. This is a typical characteristic of some speakers to give an illusion of great sound. The mid-range is naturally a pleasant frequency range that most people enjoy. So, it seems some speaker manufacturers embrace this by exaggerating that range. I will say, however, that my room is terrible. It is about 16x14 with a low hanging ceiling. I have yet to put up room treatments because I am likely moving soon.
But I wonder, are the Swan's really mid-range heavy, or is this my room? Here are the graphs from my run of Anthem Room Correction this weekend. I thought it was really interesting to view!







I think that many of today's speakers are being made with a bump in the midrange. It seems that an emphasised midrange in an attemp to give greater detail in this area is the fad. IMO the result is a forward and even shouty midrange. Quite different from what many speaker makers were doing in the 60s and 70s. Where there was an emaphasis on the the bass and mid-bass to give weight and presence to the music. Perhaps as a result of having begun my audio hobby in that era is why I have a preference for the old school sound.

I am surprised at your assessment of the F1.1. I've never read of anyone else having that view.
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post #3709 of 3844
7/26/12 at 12:18am
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Does anyone know wich Swan model this is? If so anyone know the specs for this speaker?




I'm pretty sure that is the discontinued F1F which was the predecessor to the now discontinued F1.1F. It's listed in the 2005 HT catalog that can be found on this page. http://www.swanspeaker.com/support/product_manuals.aspx There's some info on the F1HT there.
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post #3710 of 3844
7/26/12 at 2:29am
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I'm pretty sure that is the discontinued F1F which was the predecessor to the now discontinued F1.1F. It's listed in the 2005 HT catalog that can be found on this page. http://www.swanspeaker.com/support/product_manuals.aspx There's some info on the F1HT there.

Thanks mate I appreciate it. I alsop have a 6ohm amp and this is 4 Ohm speakers but having read this link http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-AmplifierLoudspeakerAndOhm.htm not sure if its ok to plug the amp in to the speakers or not?
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post #3711 of 3844
7/26/12 at 12:59pm
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I'm pretty sure that is the discontinued F1F which was the predecessor to the now discontinued F1.1F. It's listed in the 2005 HT catalog that can be found on this page. http://www.swanspeaker.com/support/product_manuals.aspx There's some info on the F1HT there.

Very interesting, haven't seen those before. smile.gif
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post #3712 of 3844
7/26/12 at 1:00pm
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Thanks mate I appreciate it. I alsop have a 6ohm amp and this is 4 Ohm speakers but having read this link http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-AmplifierLoudspeakerAndOhm.htm not sure if its ok to plug the amp in to the speakers or not?

Are you sure your amp's lowest possible load is 6 ohm, or is the power just specified at 6 ohms? Most amps will drive a 4 ohm load without any problems.
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post #3713 of 3844
7/26/12 at 4:32pm
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Thanks mate I appreciate it. I alsop have a 6ohm amp and this is 4 Ohm speakers but having read this link http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-AmplifierLoudspeakerAndOhm.htm not sure if its ok to plug the amp in to the speakers or not?




No problem. I was wondering if the F1s are yours and what amp do you have?
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post #3714 of 3844
7/26/12 at 4:47pm
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No problem. I was wondering if the F1s are yours and what amp do you have?

Yes they are I had it in my work for many years and only remembered I had such a beast at the office so I dragged them here to my home. However they are 8 Ohm speakers and I plugged it in and the center speaker sounded weird, like in a movie dialog, it sounded like it was coming from a telephone and didnt have that Oomph. I am wondering if there are settings int he amp that I need to do.

The amp I have is: http://www.pioneer.com.au/au/products/42/98/405/SC-LX85/index.html
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post #3715 of 3844
7/26/12 at 4:57pm
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Very interesting, haven't seen those before. smile.gif



What I got from what I read about them is that their emphasis was on HT. That they were designed to integrate with the rest of the speakers for a great HT experience rather than stereo. What I mean is each of the speakers in the HT setup were meant to integrate with the rest so they all function as a cohesive unit rather than any pair or individual speaker including the mains standing on their own sonically. Whether or not that's the case I don't know it's just the impression I get. Some say that a speaker that's good on music will be equally good for HT and vice-versa. From my experience I don't find that to be necessarily true. While I haven't come across a speaker that was good on music that wasn't also good on movies ( With the exception of some subs) I have found speakers that were good on movies that were not so good on music. For years my system was optimised for MCH music and I found some speakers that were great in a HT setup just didn't perform as well on music. Even MCH music.
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post #3716 of 3844
7/26/12 at 5:17pm
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Yes they are I had it in my work for many years and only remembered I had such a beast at the office so I dragged them here to my home. However they are 8 Ohm speakers and I plugged it in and the center speaker sounded weird, like in a movie dialog, it sounded like it was coming from a telephone and didnt have that Oomph. I am wondering if there are settings int he amp that I need to do.
The amp I have is: http://www.pioneer.com.au/au/products/42/98/405/SC-LX85/index.html



That's a great receiver!!! You shouldn't have ANY problem powering those Swans with that. Even if they were 4ohm models. If it were a vintage receiver I would first suggest checking the distance settings. Since it's not I'd just run the auto calibration setup (MCACC) and see what it sounds like then. If it's still not to your liking then you can look to manual tweaking of the settings.
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post #3717 of 3844
7/26/12 at 5:27pm
chuna,

BTW what center channel speaker do you have?
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post #3718 of 3844
7/27/12 at 12:37am
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chuna,
BTW what center channel speaker do you have?

I have the same Swann matching Centers mate. The same one on the catalog as well as the surrounds..
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post #3719 of 3844
7/27/12 at 3:04am
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What I got from what I read about them is that their emphasis was on HT. That they were designed to integrate with the rest of the speakers for a great HT experience rather than stereo. What I mean is each of the speakers in the HT setup were meant to integrate with the rest so they all function as a cohesive unit rather than any pair or individual speaker including the mains standing on their own sonically. Whether or not that's the case I don't know it's just the impression I get. Some say that a speaker that's good on music will be equally good for HT and vice-versa. From my experience I don't find that to be necessarily true. While I haven't come across a speaker that was good on music that wasn't also good on movies ( With the exception of some subs) I have found speakers that were good on movies that were not so good on music. For years my system was optimised for MCH music and I found some speakers that were great in a HT setup just didn't perform as well on music. Even MCH music.

Interesting thoughts! Looking at Swans you can see though that most of their bigger speakers are sold/showcased in a HT setup, for instance on this page (click on one of the series):
http://www.swanspeaker.com/products/products.aspx?cid=1&type=com

My thoughts has always been like you said, if a speaker is good for music it's good for HT. But I know there's a lot of dedicated HT setups out there, for instance from MK Sound. It almost annoys me when I see Swans top models being presented as HT speakers, but they are also presented as pure stereo speakers on other sections of their homepage.
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post #3720 of 3844
7/27/12 at 3:07am
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That's a great receiver!!! You shouldn't have ANY problem powering those Swans with that. Even if they were 4ohm models. If it were a vintage receiver I would first suggest checking the distance settings. Since it's not I'd just run the auto calibration setup (MCACC) and see what it sounds like then. If it's still not to your liking then you can look to manual tweaking of the settings.

I agree, it's a good receiver.

Sounds weird with the center channel though, no settings would make it sound like a telephone. Sounds like the woofers aren't playing? Can you try to carefully put your finger on the woofers and feel if they are moving?
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