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post #3811 of 3884
I was set finally on getting the Swan MK III's for a computer setup, but now I'm wondering if I should spend the extra $200 on the Swan T200B?

Anyone have experience listening to both that can give me their opinion?
post #3812 of 3884
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Originally Posted by Trojita View Post

I was set finally on getting the Swan MK III's for a computer setup, but now I'm wondering if I should spend the extra $200 on the Swan T200B?
Anyone have experience listening to both that can give me their opinion?

I have experience with the MKII but as far as my knowledge is concerned, I'll be as much help as any.

Let me start with the differences between the MKII and MKIII. It's power. The MKIII has a larger soundstage and a deeper bass response. All because it has a better, more wattage psu.

I bought my MKII's from lockware before reselling them and upgrading to the T200b's (of which I resold as well and upgraded to the T900F's). The T200b's are flat, neutral, and very critical. If you are into rock/metal and prefer music to be fun with a splash of color (I.e. more prominent mid-bass response), go with the MKIII.

If you want the T200b's, the extra $200 justifies their cost. The tweeter is a significant upgrade in my experience, extending higher than the TN25 and sounding sweeter. The T200b's excel in clarity and accuracy. The sound stage is pretty large (given that the bass does not bleed into the mids). Bass is accurate, punchy, but in no way prominent. To my ears, it's a good thing. It allows the soundstage to breathe and the music to sound crystal clear. If you listen to electronic music or music with subtle details, get the T200b's. Not just that but their midrange is unparalleled. Vocals sound like the singer is physically present.

To make it simple, use this as reference.

If you are a:

Gamer>Listener: MKIII
Listener>Gamer: T200b
Rock>Everything Else: MKIII
Critical Listening>Passive Listening: T200b

However, the reason I say rock for MKIII's is simply because they are a speaker that gives rock a lot of energy. That does not mean in ANY way that the T200b's can't rock. They do it fine, with more accuracy and clarity than the MKIII's, but some may prefer the distinct sound of the MKIII's. For instance, I prefer Grado>Senn. Even though Senn's tend to be very flat sounding headphones, Grado have a distinct sound that I can't escape from. I am a metal listener at heart but when I got the T200b's, I did them justice by listening to high quality OST's and let me say, they will make you cry.

If ALL you listen to is rock, get the MKIII's. If you listen to generally most genres of music, go with the T200b's and never look back.
post #3813 of 3884
I am looking for opinions on the swan 4.2 rear speakers, I have aerials up front but have been unable to find aerials for the rears at a reasonable price, so I am looking for alternatives, can anyone give me some feedback on the swans 4.2R's ? thanks
post #3814 of 3884
Anyone have experience with the M1 or M1B bookshelf speakers from Swan?

Thanks!
post #3815 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaos View Post

I have experience with the MKII but as far as my knowledge is concerned, I'll be as much help as any.
Let me start with the differences between the MKII and MKIII. It's power. The MKIII has a larger soundstage and a deeper bass response. All because it has a better, more wattage psu.
I bought my MKII's from lockware before reselling them and upgrading to the T200b's (of which I resold as well and upgraded to the T900F's). The T200b's are flat, neutral, and very critical. If you are into rock/metal and prefer music to be fun with a splash of color (I.e. more prominent mid-bass response), go with the MKIII.
If you want the T200b's, the extra $200 justifies their cost. The tweeter is a significant upgrade in my experience, extending higher than the TN25 and sounding sweeter. The T200b's excel in clarity and accuracy. The sound stage is pretty large (given that the bass does not bleed into the mids). Bass is accurate, punchy, but in no way prominent. To my ears, it's a good thing. It allows the soundstage to breathe and the music to sound crystal clear. If you listen to electronic music or music with subtle details, get the T200b's. Not just that but their midrange is unparalleled. Vocals sound like the singer is physically present.
To make it simple, use this as reference.
If you are a:
Gamer>Listener: MKIII
Listener>Gamer: T200b
Rock>Everything Else: MKIII
Critical Listening>Passive Listening: T200b
However, the reason I say rock for MKIII's is simply because they are a speaker that gives rock a lot of energy. That does not mean in ANY way that the T200b's can't rock. They do it fine, with more accuracy and clarity than the MKIII's, but some may prefer the distinct sound of the MKIII's. For instance, I prefer Grado>Senn. Even though Senn's tend to be very flat sounding headphones, Grado have a distinct sound that I can't escape from. I am a metal listener at heart but when I got the T200b's, I did them justice by listening to high quality OST's and let me say, they will make you cry.
If ALL you listen to is rock, get the MKIII's. If you listen to generally most genres of music, go with the T200b's and never look back.

Thanks for the help Khaos!

Stein's Gate is awesome btw.
post #3816 of 3884
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Originally Posted by Trojita View Post

Stein's Gate is awesome btw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X6qU2dKlio&hd=1
post #3817 of 3884
New to Swan,

I am in need of some desktop speakers for my soon to build computer rig w/ onboard audio hence the reason for the best speaker/dac combo. I am thinking H4 or H5. After reading this thread and looking at some reviews I cannot find one single picture of the rear of the speaker. Does anyone have a link so that I can see them? Also where can I get a few sites that may sell them. Question for you all- Should I consider the H4 with a sub or quite posiibly the H5 w/o a sub as it looks like the H5 can get a little lower frequency saving me some money. Also I want to match up a DAC possibly the Arcam rdac or Dac Magic or Dragonfly. I dont need a headphone amp. I believe 24/192 requires a coax whereas 24/96 accpets the USB from the computer. I am assuming the H series has an RCA or a USB input only?
Dave
post #3818 of 3884
We import these and other powered Swan models, davehale, and can answer technical questions. They are individually powered (each has an amplifier, power supply, and line cord) and have a single RCA input. They are not USB equipped. They also have shelving controls for the tweeter and midbass, plus a selectable bass cutoff point.
post #3819 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by davehale View Post

New to Swan,

I am in need of some desktop speakers for my soon to build computer rig w/ onboard audio hence the reason for the best speaker/dac combo. I am thinking H4 or H5. After reading this thread and looking at some reviews I cannot find one single picture of the rear of the speaker. Does anyone have a link so that I can see them? Also where can I get a few sites that may sell them. Question for you all- Should I consider the H4 with a sub or quite posiibly the H5 w/o a sub as it looks like the H5 can get a little lower frequency saving me some money. Also I want to match up a DAC possibly the Arcam rdac or Dac Magic or Dragonfly. I dont need a headphone amp. I believe 24/192 requires a coax whereas 24/96 accpets the USB from the computer. I am assuming the H series has an RCA or a USB input only?
Dave

My local dealer has a lowres picture of the back (click it to magnify):
http://www.mychifi.se/swans-hogtalare/multimedia-hogtalare/swans-h5

You can get 24/192 from USB which usually requires a special driver, but there are a lot of DAC:s that support it. Other good DAC:s apart from Dac Magic are Hegel HD11 and Lead Audio LA-100. And tons of others... wink.gif Just make sure the DAC has ASRC to lower the jitter as much as possible.
post #3820 of 3884
A bit of sadness: my venerable, top-mounted tweeter C3 took a tragic tumble last night. Flipped. Tweeter severed and capsule shattered. Trying to decide whether to attempt surgery with a new tweeter, purchase a new C3, or move to another similarly-priced line.

(And I immediately PM'd Jon!)

For awhile, I've wanted to upgrade my 4.1s with 6.1s (I have 2.1s in the rear), so an upgrade across the front may be in order! I'm kinda partial to the original Swans line, and I'm afraid the 6.2s might be overwhelmingly huge in my mixed-use, tiny Boston apartment living room. Any alternate ideas?
post #3821 of 3884
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Originally Posted by Rich Malloy View Post

A bit of sadness: my venerable, top-mounted tweeter C3 took a tragic tumble last night. Flipped. Tweeter severed and capsule shattered. Trying to decide whether to attempt surgery with a new tweeter, purchase a new C3, or move to another similarly-priced line.

(And I immediately PM'd Jon!)

For awhile, I've wanted to upgrade my 4.1s with 6.1s (I have 2.1s in the rear), so an upgrade across the front may be in order! I'm kinda partial to the original Swans line, and I'm afraid the 6.2s might be overwhelmingly huge in my mixed-use, tiny Boston apartment living room. Any alternate ideas?

Hopefully you can just buy a new tweeter and repair the center channel speaker? If you're planning to upgrade and have a small space, maybe some bookshelf speakers? For instance the new M806B. smile.gif I'm going to listen to them tomorrow (I'm not going to replace anything, it's just for fun).
post #3822 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Malloy View Post

A bit of sadness: my venerable, top-mounted tweeter C3 took a tragic tumble last night. Flipped. Tweeter severed and capsule shattered. Trying to decide whether to attempt surgery with a new tweeter, purchase a new C3, or move to another similarly-priced line.

(And I immediately PM'd Jon!)

For awhile, I've wanted to upgrade my 4.1s with 6.1s (I have 2.1s in the rear), so an upgrade across the front may be in order! I'm kinda partial to the original Swans line, and I'm afraid the 6.2s might be overwhelmingly huge in my mixed-use, tiny Boston apartment living room. Any alternate ideas?

PM sent, Rich.

As for the Divas to replace yours, I'd recommend the 5.2...
post #3823 of 3884
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Originally Posted by d00m View Post

For instance the new M806B. smile.gif I'm going to listen to them tomorrow (I'm not going to replace anything, it's just for fun).
LOL, you may not replace anything but after you see those you will want them.
post #3824 of 3884
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

LOL, you may not replace anything but after you see those you will want them.

Truly beautiful speakers indeed, and great balance, they did most things right and were really good all-round speakers for all genres of music. smile.gif No match for my F1.1A's though, but that's really an unfair comparison. smile.gif If I were looking for bookshelf speakers in their price range they would be a strong candidate.
post #3825 of 3884
Are the Diva 6.1's still being made? They're not listed on the website unless I'm missing them
post #3826 of 3884
Thanks for all the advice, folks! I've consulted with Jon, and my plan now is to attempt what I hope is some fairly simple, non invasive surgery to replace the tweeter. But I'm going on vacation for two weeks so all that will have to wait until I return. Hope it's otherwise in good shape, as I really love this old design.

I actually glued the 6 broken segments of the capsule back together - and it looks fine until you get close enough to see the seams. I suspect I'll be replacing the whole unit however.
post #3827 of 3884
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Originally Posted by Weazy View Post

Are the Diva 6.1's still being made? They're not listed on the website unless I'm missing them

After 13 years they've been discontinued. The upgraded 6.2 carries on in its place.
post #3828 of 3884
Has anyone compared swans to ascend acoustics? Maybe the cmy 340es and the diva 6.1
post #3829 of 3884
did sales just fall off on the 6.1 or ?
post #3830 of 3884
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Originally Posted by cheapthryl View Post

did sales just fall off on the 6.1 or ?

After 13 years, and half a dozen years after the 6.2 arrived, it was just time to finally retire this classic.
post #3831 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Lane View Post

After 13 years, and half a dozen years after the 6.2 arrived, it was just time to finally retire this classic.
That's what Ashton Kutcher said about Demi.
post #3832 of 3884
are replacement parts going to be available for the 6.1's ?
post #3833 of 3884
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Originally Posted by Fabricator View Post

are replacement parts going to be available for the 6.1's ?

Partsexpress.com used to sell the speakers.
post #3834 of 3884
Hey guys, been listening to the Swan M200MKIII for a couple months now and have had no problems, but just recently I have noticed this hissing / white noise when the speakers are on. I was thinking it might be something related to static from wires or from other audio devices that its connected to but this static is consistent and constant even when I have no music playing. I have tried just turning it on with the RCA cables disconnected, but I can still hear the noise. I have had the volume knob set at zero or maxed, but its still there regardless.

Is this a problem with my particular speakers or is it just something that all speakers have a problem with?

I only bring this up because my friend's Audioengine A5+ have no such static or hissing noises unless I max the volume knob.
post #3835 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by TreyS View Post

Partsexpress.com used to sell the speakers.

yeah, i know they used to, idk about now. but what about 2-4-10 years form now.
post #3836 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Lane View Post

PM sent, Rich.

As for the Divas to replace yours, I'd recommend the 5.2...

I may ultimately go for the 6.2s, but for now I hope to repair the top-mounted tweeter on my C-3, and put that off for a little while. After all the years of great listening, I do regret that my beloved Divas have been retired just as I need to replace them!

Ah well. Jon I'll send you a PM about a new tweeter. If anyone has experience replacing one, please let me know! (Again, it's the center speaker, but the old top-mounted kind so I presume much the same as replacing on a tower.)
post #3837 of 3884
Can anyone comment on how the Energy RC line sounds compared to the offerings of Swan?
post #3838 of 3884
Back in the day, I heard the Energy Veritas line and compared it directly with the Swans 5.1F. I preferred the Swans. To your original question, I have no idea how the RC stacks up against the newest Swans DIva lineup. I wonder as well, how the Veritas stacks up against the RC line.
Edited by sac8d4 - 3/24/13 at 10:19am
post #3839 of 3884
I had the cf line and really prefered my swans by a large margin but i also have not heard the rc's
post #3840 of 3884
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheapthryl View Post

I had the cf line and really prefered my swans by a large margin but i also have not heard the rc's

The CF line is cheap compared to the RC line. I made the switch from CF to RC and never looked back.
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