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post #151 of 22874
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Originally Posted by smitchell24 View Post

Good deal...thanks! Yeah, I noticed quite a bit of Component discussion, but I use DVI & HDMI, so will not have any issues there. Hopefully any limiitations as far as HD-DVD and/or Blu Ray players can be resolved with firmware updates. Guess I dont' have any specific questions as of yet, since I dont have the actual machine.

And will continue to read & keep updated on the latest posts in this thread! Especially if people can post what they have found to be their ideal settings! Lots of info to digest, but all GREAT stuff!

Well, at least with HDMI (can't vouch for how DVI-related conversions will factor in) you'll be perfectly fine on all fronts. Assuming there are enough HDMI inputs for ya on the back of the 805, of course. Seriously, this machine seems built primarily for HDMI use -- and for the $$ I don't think you can you can do any better right now!
post #152 of 22874
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

Well, at least with HDMI (can't vouch for how DVI-related conversions will factor in) you'll be perfectly fine on all fronts. Assuming there are enough HDMI inputs for ya on the back of the 805, of course. Seriously, this machine seems built primarily for HDMI use -- and for the $$ I don't think you can you can do any better right now!

Cool....thanks for the info! I have the Toshiba D2 HD-DVD player via HDMI as well as a DirecTV HR20 via HDMI. Was planning on routing those 2 (& eventually a Blu Ray) through the two or three Onkyo 805 inputs, & from there output it to the HDMI port of a Sony HS20 front projector!
post #153 of 22874
I am confused reading the 605 and 805 manual regarding the listening modes matrix.

1. In the Analog and PCM Sources (1st matrix) does Multichannel mean 7.1 analog connections from the DVD?

2. In the DD, DD+, TrueHD table is shows Multichannel (*/2 or except *2), then 2ch and 1/0, 1+1

Trying to get the correct interpretation of the table. In my setup I will be using HDMI only for audio processing DVD and optical for my Sat receiver. I want to be able to martix 5.1 to 7.1 depending on the source.

I would appreciate the audio guru's to set me straight. I realize the 605 will not matrix 5.1 to 7.1 LPCM.
post #154 of 22874
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Originally Posted by smitchell24 View Post

Cool....thanks for the info! I have the Toshiba D2 HD-DVD player via HDMI as well as a DirecTV HR20 via HDMI. Was planning on routing those 2 (& eventually a Blu Ray) through the two or three Onkyo 805 inputs, & from there output it to the HDMI port of a Sony HS20 front projector!

Sounds sweet. Again, on the video front you shouldn't have any problems; on the audio front, so long as you get the current hardware and software limitations on HD sound over HDMI bitstream, you should be fine too. Keep nosing around here and the Onkyo 2007 Anticipation Thread (though that one's up to 130+ pages) if you need more time and info to make your decision; I'm sure that additional detailed reviews (like those already given by joerod and seanraf) will be popping up here over the next few days. Otherwise, given what you've described as your needs and expectations, I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with the 805.
post #155 of 22874
as for the audio...im cranking wilcos "sky blue sky" and its quite brilliant...different than the denon, seems a bit brighter but the instruments/seperation are better u can hear ever detail. very impressed so far! speakers are all B&W

sorry for the mess - still working on it

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post #156 of 22874
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Originally Posted by pigpen33 View Post

seanraf,

Glad to see you got the 805. I'm excited to hear the sound quality. I'm going from a $275 Pioneer to the 805 so I'm excited to hear the difference. Mine comes in next Tuesday. Could you tell me a little more about Pure Audio? I believe it shuts down most of the video and some audio functions on the receiver so it can concentrate on audio processing. Is this true? And when you select pure audio, do you select how it comes out your speakers such as a THX setting or is Pure Audio a sound setting all on its own? Thanks!

Yes, I should have clarified. Pure audio is a sound setting selectable by scrolling through the processing modes or selecting the "pure audio" button on the face of the unit. It is not a processing mode as I referred to it as (I was writing my impressions in a rush). It basically shuts down everything in the receiver not needed to output video to the monitor (if needed) and amplifying the sound. You can't select any other audio options when the pure audio function is activated.

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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

I am confused reading the 605 and 805 manual regarding the listening modes matrix.

1. In the Analog and PCM Sources (1st matrix) does Multichannel mean 7.1 analog connections from the DVD?

2. In the DD, DD+, TrueHD table is shows Multichannel (*/2 or except *2), then 2ch and 1/0, 1+1

Trying to get the correct interpretation of the table. In my setup I will be using HDMI only for audio processing DVD and optical for my Sat receiver. I want to be able to martix 5.1 to 7.1 depending on the source.

I would appreciate the audio guru's to set me straight. I realize the 605 will not matrix 5.1 to 7.1 LPCM.

I was confused with this as well but I think I have figured it out. First, Multichannel is an option that is similar to the Direct audio function, but it is built for analog or PCM sources. Second, the "Multichannel (*/2 or except *2), then 2ch and 1/0, 1+1" refers to the modes that are available depending on how many speakers you have connected. The listening modes available to you change depending on how many speakers are connected to the receiver. Basically, it goes as follows:

*/2=7.1 system
except *2=5.1 system
2ch=Stereo system
1/0 or 1+1=Mono system

That is my interpretation of the manual, I may be wrong though.
post #157 of 22874
Can an owner answer this for me?

The manual for 805/875 states that setting the HDMI Input for a particular component automatically assigns the Digital Input for that component to HDMI IN. What I want to know is if the Digital Input setting can subsequently be changed from HDMI IN to something else - say OPT1 (optical 1).

Why? I'm using an external scaler (KeyDigital) to output an HDMI signal from various component 1080i feeds - and the audio isn't coming over HDMI.
post #158 of 22874
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Originally Posted by Keith AP View Post

Can an owner answer this for me?

The manual for 805/875 states that setting the HDMI Input for a particular component automatically assigns the Digital Input for that component to HDMI IN. What I want to know is if the Digital Input setting can subsequently be changed from HDMI IN to something else - say OPT1 (optical 1).

Why? I'm using an external scaler (KeyDigital) to output an HDMI signal from various component 1080i feeds - and the audio isn't coming over HDMI.

After a quick trip to the setup menu and I can tell you that you can set the digital input to OPT1 or any of the other digital inputs for any of your inputs assigned to HDMI video.
post #159 of 22874
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Originally Posted by seanraf View Post

Yes, I should have clarified. Pure audio is a sound setting selectable by scrolling through the processing modes or selecting the "pure audio" button on the face of the unit. It is not a processing mode as I referred to it as (I was writing my impressions in a rush). It basically shuts down everything in the receiver not needed to output video to the monitor (if needed) and amplifying the sound. You can't select any other audio options when the pure audio function is activated.



I was confused with this as well but I think I have figured it out. First, Multichannel is an option that is similar to the Direct audio function, but it is built for analog or PCM sources. Second, the "Multichannel (*/2 or except *2), then 2ch and 1/0, 1+1" refers to the modes that are available depending on how many speakers you have connected. The listening modes available to you change depending on how many speakers are connected to the receiver. Basically, it goes as follows:

*/2=7.1 system
except *2=5.1 system
2ch=Stereo system
1/0 or 1+1=Mono system

That is my interpretation of the manual, I may be wrong though.

Thanks. I think this clears up my confusion on multichannel PCM. But I don't see how to interpret what an input bitstream signal can be matrixed to.
post #160 of 22874
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Originally Posted by whsbuss View Post

Thanks. I think this clears up my confusion on multichannel PCM. But I don't see how to interpret what an input bitstream signal can be matrixed to.

Well, you said that you were planning on having a 7.1 system. So, in the manual, you would select which bitstream you were to listen to, then to the */2 column, and as you go down the column, the sound options with checks are the options you can select for that bitstream. The same goes for multichannel PCM on the chart.
post #161 of 22874
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Originally Posted by seanraf View Post

After a quick trip to the setup menu and I can tell you that you can set the digital input to OPT1 or any of the other digital inputs for any of your inputs assigned to HDMI video.

Great, thanks for checking!
post #162 of 22874
Anyone know whether the 805 is 220-110v Multi voltage?

I realise the specs say 110v but wondered if the PS might be dual voltage
anyway.

Anyone had the lid off to check?

Thanks
Mark
post #163 of 22874
I just started to go through my owners manual and its only in French and Spanish. All the other instructions with it have English. I know its online but when my basement is finished I won't have a computer there to look at it and I don't want to waste ink from my printer when I should have the English Manual. I got it from J&R's.



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post #164 of 22874
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Originally Posted by seanraf View Post

Well, you said that you were planning on having a 7.1 system. So, in the manual, you would select which bitstream you were to listen to, then to the */2 column, and as you go down the column, the sound options with checks are the options you can select for that bitstream. The same goes for multichannel PCM on the chart.

Super. Makes sense now. Thanks and good luck with the new AVR!
post #165 of 22874
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Originally Posted by SGRSBSKIER View Post

I just started to go through my owners manual and its only in French and Spanish. All the other instructions with it have English. I know its online but when my basement is finished I won't have a computer there to look at it and I don't want to waste ink from my printer when I should have the English Manual. I got it from J&R's.

May be you can call Onkyo and ask them to send you a manual in English or buy it online for $10

http://shoponkyo.com/products.cfm?group_id=5

or you can call me and I will translate from Spanish
post #166 of 22874
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Originally Posted by mrowley View Post

Anyone know whether the 805 is 220-110v Multi voltage?

I realise the specs say 110v but wondered if the PS might be dual voltage
anyway.

Anyone had the lid off to check?

Thanks
Mark

I think there are 2 or 3 versions. I own the 703 in 220V version
post #167 of 22874
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Originally Posted by ibre34 View Post

May be you can call Onkyo and ask them to send you a manual in English or buy it online for $10

http://shoponkyo.com/products.cfm?group_id=5

or you can call me and I will translate from Spanish


I will call Onkyo tomorrow, they shouldn't make me pay $10 for it.



Ignore.
post #168 of 22874
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Originally Posted by SGRSBSKIER View Post

I just started to go through my owners manual and its only in French and Spanish. All the other instructions with it have English. I know its online but when my basement is finished I won't have a computer there to look at it and I don't want to waste ink from my printer when I should have the English Manual. I got it from J&R's.

I almost made that same mistake. There should be two manuals, there's a thicker one that should include French and Spanish, and a slimmer one that is just English.
post #169 of 22874
Not sure if it's been posted already but I was kind of suprised.

Logitech has the 805 in its database for the Harmony remotes already. Big deal for me as my reciever is in a media room outside of my theater.
post #170 of 22874
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Originally Posted by seanraf View Post

I almost made that same mistake. There should be two manuals, there's a thicker one that should include French and Spanish, and a slimmer one that is just English.


Now I feel dumb, I misplaced it cause it was in a different bag. Thanks for the info.


I will now edit my previous posts.
post #171 of 22874
Now my post didn't make sense.. LOL

You can call me anyway if you want ...no hard fillings....
post #172 of 22874
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Originally Posted by Monger View Post

Not sure if it's been posted already but I was kind of suprised.

Logitech has the 805 in its database for the Harmony remotes already. Big deal for me as my reciever is in a media room outside of my theater.


That is excellent news...thanks.
post #173 of 22874
I'm getting mine on Monday. Just wondering, the best way to hook it up to the Xa2 is still MultiChannel???
post #174 of 22874
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Originally Posted by ibre34 View Post

Now my post didn't make sense.. LOL

You can call me anyway if you want ...no hard fillings....


Changed it back. Thanks for the offer.


I have 30 year old speakers I don't know what brand the front 2 are but the back 2 are Marantz and the fronts are better I think the fronts are 4 ohms and backs are 6. I can't wait till my basement is finished and I am going to switch out the receiver I am currently using. I wont blow the speakers will I? They were real good back then, I don't know the watts.
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post #175 of 22874
Where are the front left and right?

I see the TV, and center channel.



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Originally Posted by SGRSBSKIER View Post

Changed it back. Thanks for the offer.


I have 30 year old speakers I don't know what brand the front 2 are but the back 2 are Marantz and the fronts are better I think the fronts are 4 ohms and backs are 6. I can't wait till my basement is finished and I am going to switch out the receiver I am currently using. I wont blow the speakers will I? They were real good back then, I don't know the watts.
post #176 of 22874
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Originally Posted by tanneritekid View Post

Where are the front left and right?

I see the TV, and center channel.



up on the bookshelves?
post #177 of 22874
I had a chance to calibrate Audyssey from the 4 different main viewing positions in my room.

From what I can tell, the Audyssey speaker calibration and EQ adjustments have no adverse effect on the THX listening modes. I was able to pop in Star Wars Episode III, set the listening mode to THX Surround EX, and enjoy. It did adjust some of the settings in the speaker configurations page away from the THX certified settings. For example, the crossover frequency for the front surrounds was set to full band and the other crossover frequencies were +/-10 Hz from the THX recommended 80 Hz. One option that was enabled after the calibration was Double Bass, which, in addition to the LFE channel, also sends the bass frequencies from the left and right channels to the subwoofer. The THX recommended setting for this option was off, but I kept it on because I was not using THX certified speakers and it didn't adversely effect the subwoofer crossover frequency sweep assessment on the THX Optimizer included on Star Wars Episode III.

As for the calibration itself, it did a surprisingly good job compared to my old Sony's auto-calibration. It made the middle and rear surrounds balanced, subsequently creating a more believable sound stage. It was also surprisingly accurate with the distance measurements. I was very happy with the end result and it was a noticeable improvement over the out-of-the-box settings with some rudimentary changes made.

After a good two hours of listening today, I am very happy with this receiver. The sound has punch while still being able to deal with more subtle sounds accurately. I would even say that this receiver is probably one of the best in the $800-$1000 price range. This receiver packs an abundance of features with solid performance. I'll post some pictures tomorrow, but now, it is off to bed .
post #178 of 22874
Well, I've had my 805 for about 4 hours now. UPS had me worried, but did finally come through. J&R had it double boxed and it is a monster. I noticed the outside of the box was crunched in a little and I said the the UPS guy, "I hope it hasn't been jostled around too much" and he replied, "I babied it in the corner of my truck all day". So I felt reassured. I opened the box and J&R had it packed with two air pillows, one of which had deflated....still the box looked OK. I opened the undamaged Onkyo box to a pristine 805.

As I made my rack ready yesterday, installing was a matter of pulling out the old receiver, and popping in the 805. Hooking up the surround speakers took the longest amount of time because they don't have bananas on them (but that will change tomorrow when UPS delivers my Monoprice cables...including the 20' HDMI I will use from the AVR to the TV).

I hooked up all 7 speakers and my sub. I went straight into the amp with the sub cable and bypassed my Richter Scale which I have been using to EQ the sub. I felt I won't be needing it with the onboard graphic sub EQ and/or Audyssey (more later).

I plugged my Oppo 981HD SD DVD player into HDMI 1 and whalla....no more cables! Then I hooked up the SPDIF COAX from the TV output to the 805....this is for my antenna feed sound. Last (tonight) was my VCR (I only hooked it up to see what would happen to a 480i signal) with an Svideo cable. I couldn't hook up the Moto PVR due to lack of a third HDMI cable. I have no component sources to use (well, I could hook up the PVR with component, but why? I'll just wait for the HDMI cable tomorrow.) to test that input. Sometime this weekend I'll hook up my turntable, but I'm going to "go thru it" and give her a tune up before I hook her up. I can't wait to use it through the 805, as I had been using one of those cheap realistic (or something) MM preamps.

So I fired everything up. I followed the manuals recommendations with regard to what settings to get to first. I adjusted the OSD output to 16 but I don't think it changed. Looks like its in 4:3 to me. I'll fiddle with that some more.

There are two manual included. One is real thick containing French and Spanish. The other thinner manual is the English one. There are a few other "add on" instructions included, but I must admit, I just glanced at them at first to make sure it wasn't anything real drastic. Now I can say that one is regarding a Panasonic EZ sync TV (doesn't apply to me), another basically says that if you are upconverting your video from composite or Svideo to component and the PQ looks like crap, don't upconvert it. The last one has some changes to the manual which are actually kind of signficant, and I'll scan it and try to post it, but honestly I haven't checked to see if these changes are in the downloadable manual online. Most of them are regarding crossover frequencies.

I should point out that this unit is huge and heavy, but I did get it to fit in the rack even though it sticks out the front a little (hangs over the edge I should say). Next, I grabbed my mic stand (I am in a band in my spare time), taped (yes, taped...scotch, that is) the included little mic to the mic boom, and got ready to do the Audyssey set up. My wife was cooking and trying to be quiet, and although I didn't get any errors, I didn't think conditions were optimum, so I only measured 3 of the 8 available positions. I was surprised to here the "test tone" that Audyssey produces. I expected some type of pink noise, but no; it was a weird sounding sweep with a beeping quality. Only for a few seconds on each speaker. Finally after 3 measurements (the minimum you are allowed to make) I got the option to "calculate". Well, this took much longer than I anticipated, lasting almost a full 5 minutes....now, this is after the "testing" and the receiver just says "Calculating". I was almost about to abort (if I could figure out how) thinking the thing had "locked up" or something, when lo and behold it finished. I reviewed the settings before saving.

It did a real good job of figuring out what was there. It did set my Klipsch Forte's to 150hz crossover point and my Klipsch center speaker at 60hz. I thought that was strange, but I left it alone. The distances and the levels were damn spot on...they have this down to a science! I would love to "see" what the Audyssey does to the EQ, but there is no way to do this. If you change the EQ settings from "Audyssey" to "manual", your Audyssey settings will go out the window (as I gather from the manual....I didn't try it, yet). My subwoofer sounded awesome and it was set at 80hz.

Another odd thing Audyssey did was set all my levels at -12, -10, -9 etc. I'm thinking, man, am I losing alot of headroom? Why didn't it just have one at zero and then kind of adjust around that? HMMMMM, more investigation is required here. Since the levels were spot on as verified by my trusty RS SPL meter, I left em where they were.

I popped in a "Demo" DVD I downloaded from AVS forum (I forgot which forum...I think it might be the "Speaker calibration forum", or something to that effect). Avery good disc that has a variety of explosions, LFE and surround clips from various movies in DD 5.1. My Oppo was set to "HDMI audio out=Auto" and Audio output to "RAW" (vice LPCM). The 805 was rocking the house. My wife came in from the kitchen and said, ................TURN IT DOWN!" (You thought it was gonna be something like "Honey, that sounds so much better than the last receiver you had....I'm so glad you spent all that money on it"......didn't you?). Anyhow, I was in heaven. I stuck in We Were Soldiers which says on the box Dolby Digital EX to see what the little input and output indicators would do. HMMMMM, no surround back channel. Odd.......So I grabbed my Top Gun Special Edition (still a very cool movie and if you think you're too cool to admit that, shame on you) which has a "DTS 6.1" soundtrack and WHALLA! The little SB indicator came on! So, I was like, "Great, everything is working like it's supposed to be". (Except that "We Were Soldiers" thing....maybe it's because it is not a "true" SB channel, the receiver doesn't really "see" that channel? Hmmmmmm)

We got "Invincible" from Netflix today. So dinner was ready, we were all set...."Honey come sit down and watch the flick". OK. I had the volume at 0db (on the "relative" setting (it's what I'm used to) for that "cinema" sound. Well, the wife thought it was a little loud but didn't complain too much, especially after I explained to her about the whole 85db standard in theaters and this is the exact volume they are played at and blah, blah, blah....she bought it.

Awesome surround. Wow. I've been playing this game for 20 odd years and was blown away. My little setup could hardly be called a "theater" (well, it can't....it's my living room), but man, it sounded sweet. I always wanted to try THX Ultra2 Cinema, and after cruising through a few surround modes, I kept it there. It was getting 5.1 in but outputting 7.1. Sounded awesome. Nuff said.

After the movie I popped in a SVHS tape of "Stargate" and....it looked like crap. It was coming into the TV at 480p and I had to change the format on the TV to "Expand" which works for SD signals on my TV. So I decided to hit the "Forbidden Menu" to check out how 720p might look and....it still looked like crap. Not only that, but when receiving an HD signal, my Mits limits the type of "format" you can use, and "expand" is not one of them, so I could only look at the picture with bars on all 4 sides. Not gonna work. Went back and changed it to the default "Auto" mode and back to 480p and BAM! I can expand it to fill the screen (and people aren't stretched) and the PQ is no worse than 720p. I can live with that. What did I expect from VHS anyway?

Now, I have this thing on the second to top shelf in my rack, with plenty of air circulating around. Nothing on top of it. I'll tell you, this thing gets HOT. I mean hot enough to almost burn your hand in certain spots on the top if you try to keep it there. I'm not worried, but if you intend to put ANYTHING on top of this, think again. I may do as someone else did here, and put a little computer fan on top or something......or not.

I don't have any TrueHD or DTS MA to test. Wish I did....I don't. The HDMI pass through doesn't alter my PQ at all, and the upconversion from SVHS is a bonus. The THX surround modes work great and the available surround modes for any given source are plentyful and usable. (I want to check out my favorite mono movie, "Casablanca" in Mono mode to see how that works....manual says it adds reverb to all the channels except the center. Should be cool.)

I did, BTW, set my DVD players output to LPCM to see what would happen, and sure enough, the display said Multichannel PCM. I thought the RAW signal sounded better. I switched it back to RAW.

I do intend to do a thorough testing of the EQ and frequency response in the coming week. I'll need time to do that. My intent is to do measurements with REW and then EQ everything manually for flat response and compare the two (Audyssey and manual modes) on graph and by my ears. I gotta say though, I like this THX Ultra2 Cinema at 0db! Who needs a theater! Again, I've been playing with this stuff for 20 years, and just yesterday I removed a stack of EQs (with RT analyzers), power amps, phono preamp and umpteen cables. This box replaces all that and does it very gracefully.

I'd be happy to answer any questions, but I'm probably not going to reconfigure my set up to do so. I don't have a PS3 or XBox nor an HD or BD player (yet). If you've read this far, you're sick! But I had to give back to the forum that has given me so much info. And I'm not done.............
post #179 of 22874
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Originally Posted by bruss View Post

up on the bookshelves?


Yeah up on the bookshelves the backs are that high also. Its not setup well at all but its pretty much the best I could do without blocking the window and the speakers wont fit in the shelves. Thats why when the basement is finished its having a dedicated theater room. But will the speakers be fine with this receiver.
post #180 of 22874
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Originally Posted by arthas76 View Post

as for the audio...im cranking wilcos "sky blue sky" and its quite brilliant...different than the denon, seems a bit brighter but the instruments/seperation are better u can hear ever detail. very impressed so far! speakers are all B&W

sorry for the mess - still working on it

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...keed/805-2.gif


nice sega genesis!!!
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