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post #15001 of 22607
works for me today......onkyo site is UP and RUNNING
post #15002 of 22607
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Originally Posted by vitalysk View Post

Greetings!
Just got my receiver from the Onkyo club. There is a problem. All the sources are connected, and there are 7 speakers connected using single banana plugs. No sound is coming out, and setup option number 2 (speaker set up) is grayed out. Furthermore, the AVR displays headphones sign and stereo mode. The Audyssey set up is not accessible. All of this indicates that the AVR thinks that there are headphones plugged in. I have disconnected the power cord and ran the reset sequence. Has anyone seen this? I hate having to start a fight with Onkyo on who pays for return shipment...

Please excuse the dumb questions, but just to make sure.

1. If using HDMI video out, you did have audio out turned off?

2. I may be taking your statement about "using single banana plugs" to connect your speakers to literally, but you did have them connected to both the black and red speaker connections for each speaker? In other words, 2 banana plugs for each speaker wire into the receiver.

Regards,

Steve
post #15003 of 22607
I would like to watch an HDMI input while listening to an RCA input.
  • I have HDMI in from comcast cable box and RCA into phono input.
  • From my universal remote I watch TV (HDMI video and audio)
  • I then manually push the phono button to output the audio from the corresponding RCA input (an ipod is plugged into the other end).
The picture passes through fine, but the audio from the ipod is terrible (I have the vol. on the ipod turned down, the music is muffled, bass is distorted and loud). THis is a simple task that any receiver (especially at this level) should be able to perform.

If I use component instead of HDMI than the RCA inputted source sounds fine.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
post #15004 of 22607
Chesbrougha: Click the "HDMI out" button on the front panel.
post #15005 of 22607
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Originally Posted by chesbrougha View Post

I would like to watch an HDMI input while listening to an RCA input.
  • I have HDMI in from comcast cable box and RCA into phono input.
  • From my universal remote I watch TV (HDMI video and audio)
  • I then manually push the phono button to output the audio from the corresponding RCA input (an ipod is plugged into the other end).
The picture passes through fine, but the audio from the ipod is terrible (I have the vol. on the ipod turned down, the music is muffled, bass is distorted and loud). THis is a simple task that any receiver (especially at this level) should be able to perform.

If I use component instead of HDMI than the RCA inputted source sounds fine.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

I do not have an Ipod so I am not familiar with what the connection instructions would be for it. However, I would have to say that it sounds strange that it would be connected to the Phono Input on the receiver. Are you sure it should not be connected to one of the regular RCA Analog inputs?

Regards,

Steve
post #15006 of 22607
I thought that all analog inputs were the same. Ideally I would like to set up my universal remote to have two setting TV and TV/Ipod. It doesnt seem like this is possible since I have to manually select "HDMI out" on the front panel. I will try that as well as other analog inputs. Thanks to everyone for their help, I'll let you know how it goes.
post #15007 of 22607
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Originally Posted by chesbrougha View Post

I thought that all analog inputs were the same. Ideally I would like to set up my universal remote to have two setting TV and TV/Ipod. It doesnt seem like this is possible since I have to manually select "HDMI out" on the front panel. I will try that as well as other analog inputs. Thanks to everyone for their help, I'll let you know how it goes.

You can't use a phono input for anything but a MM cartridge. It's going through a pre-amp circuit in your receiver before going to the amp. Just hook the stereo cables to the same source you have the HDMI assigned to, then use the Audio Sel button on the remote.
post #15008 of 22607
Since you are sending it back you might not want to mess around with it much and do anything to jeopardize the warranty. Be sure that the connectors are actually full connected - sometimes they look like they are locked in, but they aren't.

Unfortunately most connectors are hard to get to and check without taking a lot of the unit apart (taking off the back plate is a PITA). Were you also sure to test the headphone jack to make sure nothing played from it?

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Originally Posted by vitalysk View Post

I used Veekay's directions and opened up the unit last night. I didn't see any loose connectors. I tried plugging and unplugging headphones, but the problem remained.
I've called Club Onkyo today, and they instantly said that they will be sending me a return shipment mail. When I asked if it's going to be free, I got a reassuring "Off course!". The lady told me that they will be shipping me a replacement unit as soon as they get my return. Her estimate for a turn-around was two weeks. That's two weeks without my main entertainment system, since I have attached banana connectors to the speaker wires and my previous receiver cannot accommodate them!
post #15009 of 22607
Yes, don't use PHONO for anything but a record player, it has a pre-amp circuit. Use CD or TAPE for audio-only inputs. Select the video source you want to see first, then select the audio source - as long as it's one of the audio-only inputs (CD or TAPE) it will work.

You can probably turn the volume on the iPod all the way up without distortion, but try it at 1/2 or 3/4 first.
post #15010 of 22607
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

I tried the level calibration and heard a loud static test come through the left speaker, and then the center, nothing on right. I use moster cables (bought in 2002 before I knew about blue jean!) with banana connections and they work perfectly with my old Onkyo receiver. I'll try switching the plugs between left and right to rule that out, but I'm 99.99% sure it's not my speakers or cables.

Wow, this is amazing! The .01% chance landed. The flex connector screwed into on one of the CMX monster cable was cracked under the rubber. This connector coincindentally broke on the same day that I switched the receivers! I never touched the connections from cables to speakers, only the amp side of the cables. The good news is all three of my front speakers are working now
post #15011 of 22607
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

Wow, this is amazing! The .01% chance landed. The flex connector screwed into on one of the CMX monster cable was cracked under the rubber. This connector coincindentally broke on the same day that I switched the receivers! I never touched the connections from cables to speakers, only the amp side of the cables. The good news is all three of my front speakers are working now

I was going to ask you if you went back and checked the basic cable connections. I always manage to dislodge some cable when I fiddle behind the receiver.

Great news it was an easy fix. Check back when you get to play with the 805 some.
post #15012 of 22607
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

I stopped by Circuit City to check out the 805 in person today. Damn, this thing is a beast! I own a 52inch Samsung A650 LCD 120 Hz TV. The CC guy said he hooked up the 705 to my TV and a blu ray player with an expensive Monster HDMI cable, and the picture looked horrible. He said that the passthrough HDMI feature on these Onkyo's does not work properly with 120 HZ TV's due to bandwidth limitations. However, I'm not sure if he was knowledgable or merely speculating.

Is anyone else using the 805 with a new Samsung 120 hz LCD TV? If not, how about other 120 HZ LCD models? If so, do you notice a degradation of PQ with 120 hz TV's? My picture quality is totally amazing with the PS3 and Cable box plugged directly into the TV via HDMI. I am not willing to sacrifice ANY of this picture quality simply to gain access to True HD and DTS Master. If video quality is a problem, I will be forced to pay up for the Denon. Thanks.

No problems here. I use the 850 with my Samsung 52in 650 and PS3 (through the 805's HDMI passthrough) and its a great combination. No detectable degration of PQ at all and it runs at 1080/24p with no problems whatsover. Its every bit as clean as when I hook my computer up to it at 1080p. Noticeable step-up from component which suffers from some signal degration due to analog interference.
post #15013 of 22607
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Originally Posted by MonkeyGoD View Post

No problems here. I use the 850 with my Samsung 52in 650 and PS3 (through the 805's HDMI passthrough) and its a great combination. No detectable degration of PQ at all and it runs at 1080/24p with no problems whatsover. Its every bit as clean as when I hook my computer up to it at 1080p. Noticeable step-up from component which suffers from some signal degration due to analog interference.

Sounds great! I think I got a keeper Do I need to set the HDMI passthrough or is that automatic? I just hooked up my PS3 and did not notice any PQ degradation on my Crank Blu Ray or the internet. The HDTV seems to have excellent PQ as well...perhaps I was on a bad channel or older movie last night when I was exhausted. I did notice the receiver clicks every time I fast forward the blu ray, or change back to cable. I hope I can get used to it.

How to I change listening modes with the remote? I haven't figured that out yet. I only see a stereo button. The sound volume seems to be kinda low. Is 0 the max volume? The highest I've gone is -5 so far. However, I'm currently using only two speakers since the cable connector broke on that one. I don't have a manual so it will take awhile to figure everything out.

I'm still waiting for my three new Heresy III's. One of them Fed X tried to deliver today and I'm picking it up tomorrow. The other two will be here by Monday or Tuesday.
post #15014 of 22607
Grab the instruction manual from the Onkyo website:

http://onkyousa.com/download/own_man...m?cat=Receiver

If you set a preferred sound mode for your sources you should be able to eliminate the clicking. This was also improved with the newest firmware but that is another matter, one step at a time...
post #15015 of 22607
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Originally Posted by FatesWarning View Post

Sounds great! I think I got a keeper Do I need to set the HDMI passthrough or is that automatic? I just hooked up my PS3 and did not notice any PQ degradation on my Crank Blu Ray or the internet. The HDTV seems to have excellent PQ as well...perhaps I was on a bad channel or older movie last night when I was exhausted. I did notice the receiver clicks every time I fast forward the blu ray, or change back to cable. I hope I can get used to it.

How to I change listening modes with the remote? I haven't figured that out yet. I only see a stereo button. The sound volume seems to be kinda low. Is 0 the max volume? The highest I've gone is -5 so far. However, I'm currently using only two speakers since the cable connector broke on that one. I don't have a manual so it will take awhile to figure everything out.

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Glad you got it working... You can download a copy of the manual, it should be on the Onkyo site and you may want to spend a few minutes just to glance over it. It will provide easy answers to most of the questions you have and it will help you familiarize with the unit. And of course, post if anything is not clear. There are a lot of very helpful and knowledgeable people who will lend a hand...
post #15016 of 22607
Has anyone used one of the hdmi switchers with this? I know it might be redundant since the unit provides 3 ports, but I hate to have wasted the money on this thing a month ago (plus i find it very easy to switch sourced using the switcher versus receiver). I have a monoprice 4 in 1 so in theory I'd be able to use 6 hdmi sources if they all run through the onkyo and switcher/onkyo. But I'm not sure what kind of degradation if any having something pass through twice would provide.
post #15017 of 22607
It depends on the switcher. ALL switchers are different. The only way to know how yours would work best is to just try it.
post #15018 of 22607
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Originally Posted by veekay View Post

Has anyone used one of the hdmi switchers with this? I know it might be redundant since the unit provides 3 ports, but I hate to have wasted the money on this thing a month ago (plus i find it very easy to switch sourced using the switcher versus receiver). I have a monoprice 4 in 1 so in theory I'd be able to use 6 hdmi sources if they all run through the onkyo and switcher/onkyo. But I'm not sure what kind of degradation if any having something pass through twice would provide.

I use an Oppo 3 - 1 switch and I have a couple of units running through it. It has a remote to select the source.

Haven't noticed any PQ lose.

Seggers
post #15019 of 22607
Folks:
I use external amplifiers for my HT setup because I'm running Magnepan speakers which need LOTS of power to drive their 4 ohm (nominal) load and because I get cleaner power than the mid-range receivers I've tried. Right now I'm using a B&K Reference 50 for a pre/pro through its analog 5.1 inputs and it is excellent but no advanced codecs and no HDMI...

My question: Since I don't need the on-board amps in the 805, I'm wondering if anyone has "disconnected" (by whatever means) the amplifier sections of the 805 so it can be used as a preamp/processor. I don't know how easy or hard this might be to do but I'd feel better about trying if someone else had done it successfully 8^)

I would think that cutting power to the amp section (if it didn't cripple the pre/pro functions) would make the 805 run cooler as well...
post #15020 of 22607
Had to take my 805 to shop as the front LED died and only the blue volume knob will illuminate. They say it will take 1 or 2 weeks to get it back, what a bummer!
Has anyone else been through this?
I hope I don't loose the setup and custom settings, sounds like 2 weeks of time with no power would wipe out settings, or if they reset to factory for repair, so will hope for the best.
post #15021 of 22607
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Originally Posted by mnilan View Post

Folks:
I use external amplifiers for my HT setup because I'm running Magnepan speakers which need LOTS of power to drive their 4 ohm (nominal) load and because I get cleaner power than the mid-range receivers I've tried. Right now I'm using a B&K Reference 50 for a pre/pro through its analog 5.1 inputs and it is excellent but no advanced codecs and no HDMI...

My question: Since I don't need the on-board amps in the 805, I'm wondering if anyone has "disconnected" (by whatever means) the amplifier sections of the 805 so it can be used as a preamp/processor. I don't know how easy or hard this might be to do but I'd feel better about trying if someone else had done it successfully 8^)

I would think that cutting power to the amp section (if it didn't cripple the pre/pro functions) would make the 805 run cooler as well...

You might want to look into the Integra (Onkyo's "professional") line for a Preamp...
post #15022 of 22607
No HDMI audio with TV off
The source components are connected to the SR805 receiver by HDMI inputs and the receiver is connected to the TV by an HDMI output. If the TV is off the receiver is unable to accept signal from any of its HDMI inputs (no signal' is displayed on the receiver). The TV must be on for the receiver to sense the HDMI input signals. When listening to music I do not want the TV on. SR805 settings: HDMI audio out - off. HDMI monitor - on Firmware 1.08. Samsung TV HL-T6176

Information from page 37 of the 805 manual
"When listening to audio from an HDMI component through the AV receiver's speakers, set the HDMI component so that its video can be seen on your TV (e.g., on your TV, select the input to which the HDMI component is connected). If your TV is not turned on or a different input is selected, the AV receiver's speakers may produce no sound or the sound may be cut off."

Perhaps the TV needs to be on so that the receiver detects a HDCP compliant device at the end of the chain. I wonder if this is the case with other brands of receiver. Has anyone else encountered this issue or know of a work around?
post #15023 of 22607
Press the HDMI out button on the front of the 805, dbergstad.
post #15024 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnilan View Post

Folks:
I use external amplifiers for my HT setup because I'm running Magnepan speakers which need LOTS of power to drive their 4 ohm (nominal) load and because I get cleaner power than the mid-range receivers I've tried. Right now I'm using a B&K Reference 50 for a pre/pro through its analog 5.1 inputs and it is excellent but no advanced codecs and no HDMI...

My question: Since I don't need the on-board amps in the 805, I'm wondering if anyone has "disconnected" (by whatever means) the amplifier sections of the 805 so it can be used as a preamp/processor. I don't know how easy or hard this might be to do but I'd feel better about trying if someone else had done it successfully 8^)

I would think that cutting power to the amp section (if it didn't cripple the pre/pro functions) would make the 805 run cooler as well...

You might think about the 705 which should be a bit cheaper but has about the same features (just less power). You might be able to disconnect the amps but there's no need to, the pre-outs work. If the amps aren't being used they don't generate as much heat, and it seems like the most heat comes from the video processing section anyway.
post #15025 of 22607
Yup.

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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

You might want to look into the Integra (Onkyo's "professional") line for a Preamp...
post #15026 of 22607
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Originally Posted by billymerritt View Post

Had to take my 805 to shop as the front LED died and only the blue volume knob will illuminate. They say it will take 1 or 2 weeks to get it back, what a bummer!
Has anyone else been through this?
I hope I don't loose the setup and custom settings, sounds like 2 weeks of time with no power would wipe out settings, or if they reset to factory for repair, so will hope for the best.

See my post a few pages back. Make sure they increase the resistor wattage? The tech that worked on mine said the display was fine.
post #15027 of 22607
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Originally Posted by Thunderduck View Post

Please excuse the dumb questions, but just to make sure.

1. If using HDMI video out, you did have audio out turned off?

2. I may be taking your statement about "using single banana plugs" to connect your speakers to literally, but you did have them connected to both the black and red speaker connections for each speaker? In other words, 2 banana plugs for each speaker wire into the receiver.

Regards,

Steve


Steve,
I do appreciate the effort to help.

1) I was aware of HDMI audio issue and that was one of the first things I've checked. I was connecting to TV through the S-Video, my only option besides "
"not so good ol'" RCAs.
2) I did have both positive and negative speaker wires connected through 2 single banana plugs to each of the AVR's 7 speaker connector pairs.

At least, so far, I am happy with Onkyo service despite what I have read on the forum. Though the AVR arrived DOA, it did less than 24 hours after I ordered a functioning piece. Technical help person was easy to reach and has immediately put my mind at ease having told me that my kind of trouble is a normal affair for any equipment. He also suggested that I actually plug in and unplug headphones. And a CSR immediately accepted the responsibility for shipping the product back, while telling me that I can simply cancel the order, if I don't want a replacement. The replacement was "promised" in two weeks". So if it will take less than 3 attempts to get a functional unit of this model, I'll be a happy customer. Until it breaks...
Or I might start looking at VSK-92TXH or Denon again. I am really wondering about all those claims of warmer sound...
post #15028 of 22607
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Originally Posted by veekay View Post

Since you are sending it back you might not want to mess around with it much and do anything to jeopardize the warranty. Be sure that the connectors are actually full connected - sometimes they look like they are locked in, but they aren't.

Unfortunately most connectors are hard to get to and check without taking a lot of the unit apart (taking off the back plate is a PITA). Were you also sure to test the headphone jack to make sure nothing played from it?

I have only removed the top cover and checked the connectors which were reachable. Since there were no seals on the unit, it seemed a worthwhile effort before committing to a two week wait. Even though lacking a plastic tip screwdriver, I might have disturbed the black paint on receiver's screws a tiny bit. Hopefully that will not violate the warranty of a refurbished DOA unit. And I did check the headphone output before playing a . There must more than one reason why an AVR doesn't produce any sound!
post #15029 of 22607
It is a loose connector somewhere, the problem is just the where. If you trace the connections in reverse from the headphone jack to where it goes in and each connection from there you'd probably find it - but that will require a lot of disassembly. I think it is somewhere around 50 screws on that back piece, but after that is gone you can move most of the boards around to get a better look at things.

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Originally Posted by vitalysk View Post

I have only removed the top cover and checked the connectors which were reachable. Since there were no seals on the unit, it seemed a worthwhile effort before committing to a two week wait. Even though lacking a plastic tip screwdriver, I might have disturbed the black paint on receiver's screws a tiny bit. Hopefully that will not violate the warranty of a refurbished DOA unit. And I did check the headphone output before playing a . There must more than one reason why an AVR doesn't produce any sound!
post #15030 of 22607
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Originally Posted by vitalysk View Post

I have only removed the top cover and checked the connectors which were reachable. Since there were no seals on the unit, it seemed a worthwhile effort before committing to a two week wait. Even though lacking a plastic tip screwdriver, I might have disturbed the black paint on receiver's screws a tiny bit. Hopefully that will not violate the warranty of a refurbished DOA unit. And I did check the headphone output before playing a . There must more than one reason why an AVR doesn't produce any sound!

A black Sharpie is fantasic "touch up paint" for black electronics.
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